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ironsides

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We have another Presidential candidate.

Lawrence Kotlikoff running for President of the U.S. on a Third Party ticket.
Kotlikoff has actively proposed extremely simple reforms of the U.S. financial system, tax system, health care system, and retirement income system. His proposed reform of the financial system[6][7][8], discussed in Jimmy Stewart Is Dead, called Limited Purpose Banking, transforms all financial companies with limited liability, including incorporated banks, insurance companies, financial exchanges, and hedge funds, into pass-through mutual funds, which do not borrow to invest in risky assets, but, instead, allows the public to directly choose what risks it wishes to bear by purchasing more or less risky mutual funds. Limited Purpose Banking keeps banks, insurance companies, hedge funds and other financial corporations from borrowing short and lending long and leaving the public to pick up the pieces when things go south. Instead, it forces financial intermediaries to limit their activities to their sole legitimate purpose—financial inter-mediation. Limited Purpose Banking substitutes the vast array of extant federal and state financial regulatory bodies with a single financial regulator called the Federal Financial Authority (FFA). The FFA would have a narrow purpose namely to verify, disclosure, and oversee the independent rating and custody off all securities purchased and sold by mutual funds.
Kotlikoff's 2007 book, The Healthcare Fix, proposed a system of vouchers somewhat similar to Paul Ryan's current plan. His proposal is that every American would receive a voucher that would have to be honored by insurance companies. The amount of the voucher would be adjusted for the costs to the insurance company of the person's coverage--i.e.sicker people would have their voucher amount increased. Kotlikoff has denounced critics of the plan such as economist Paul Krugman and President Obama for demagoguery over word voucher--arguing that the current health care law relies on vouchers. [9] He argues that the current Medicare program is unsustainable and that we have no choice but to embrace a plan with vouchers in this Business Week op-ed.
Kotlikoff fervently dislikes both political parties and has called for a third party, which he hopes will save America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Kotlikoff
 

Cliffy

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Where's Ralph? Nobody care about the environment anymore? I wish the Occupy people would run a candidate. That might bring a little reality to the table instead of all this made for TV circus nonsense coming from the Repubs.
 

ironsides

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Where's Ralph? Nobody care about the environment anymore? I wish the Occupy people would run a candidate. That might bring a little reality to the table instead of all this made for TV circus nonsense coming from the Repubs.
No idea what happened to Ralph. Lawrence Kotlikoff just might be the one the Occupy people are looking for, he wants to create more jobs and he is a big time economist. I know nothing else about him.
 

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Where's Ralph? Nobody care about the environment anymore? I wish the Occupy people would run a candidate. That might bring a little reality to the table instead of all this made for TV circus nonsense coming from the Repubs.

Did not Ralph hand the election to Bush the lesser by siphoning off votes from Gore?
 

damngrumpy

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I can only hope there is a third party candidate and on the right at that, the more the better.
The idea of anything short of universal health care is not health care at all. America must
join the rest of the civilized world in providing health care for its people. All this nonsense
about socialism and that is just silly in the twenty first century. Universal health care may not
be perfect but it ensures people will be looked after without losing their homes and it clamps
down on the health corporate state as well.
In Canada it may not be perfect but if you are really sick and in need you get help pretty quick.
I found that out personally last year.
 

ironsides

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I can only hope there is a third party candidate and on the right at that, the more the better.
The idea of anything short of universal health care is not health care at all. America must
join the rest of the civilized world in providing health care for its people. All this nonsense
about socialism and that is just silly in the twenty first century. Universal health care may not
be perfect but it ensures people will be looked after without losing their homes and it clamps
down on the health corporate state as well.
In Canada it may not be perfect but if you are really sick and in need you get help pretty quick.
I found that out personally last year.

We already have universal heathcare, that is President Obama's only major accomplishment so far. It took effect and includes preventive care. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/health&id=7683319
 

damngrumpy

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Iron side it is nothing like the rest of the civilized world, they still have the same old
managed health care companies in business. People should not be paying some
managed company health care premiums that are quite expensive.
Obama Care is only the beginning his plan in this country would be a miserable
failure as it does not go far enough, to help the average person.
 

Niflmir

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It does strike me as odd that more Americans don't vote for a third party.

In my experience Americans are really devoted to the idea of voting. But the notion that a vote for a third party is a wasted ballot seems to keep so many people from actually considering a person that might be a better match for their views. That is how you end up with a ex-parte authorizing, citizen assassinating "liberal" president blocking attorney generals from holding wallstreet accountable.

Imagine trying to buy shoes if there were only two sizes in every store.
 

ironsides

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Until a strong third party comes along we probably will always be trying to fine tune the Republicans or Democrats. Forming coalitions with 3rd or 4th party's has never been something we have wanted.
 

Niflmir

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Until a strong third party comes along we probably will always be trying to fine tune the Republicans or Democrats. Forming coalitions with 3rd or 4th party's has never been something we have wanted.

Yeah, Canadians don't seem very fond of coalitions either. Something I highly lament.

The funny thing is, we have the technology to have a much more direct democracy. We don't need things like polling stations anymore. The old reason for having a representative government (that only so many people can fit in a room) doesn't make any sense anymore. If you have a credit card with a chip in it, then you are walking around with half of the technology necessary to securely vote from the comfort of your own home.

It just seems like people like having what is essentially a dictatorship for 4 years before having the same non-choice again.
 

ironsides

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Now that presents another problem in the U.S., National ID card. I do not mind it, it would solve a lot of problems, but there are a lot who resent the government knowing so much about you. (What people do not realize is that the government knows all they need to know about us already)
 

Niflmir

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Now that presents another problem in the U.S., National ID card. I do not mind it, it would solve a lot of problems, but there are a lot who resent the government knowing so much about you. (What people do not realize is that the government knows all they need to know about us already)

That is the major flaw with the idea. But consider that they need to know who you are already in order for you to vote... How else do you prove you are a citizen without an ID?
 

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Iron side it is nothing like the rest of the civilized world, they still have the same old
managed health care companies in business. People should not be paying some
managed company health care premiums that are quite expensive.
Obama Care is only the beginning his plan in this country would be a miserable
failure as it does not go far enough, to help the average person.
I still pay an msp premium every month.And I personally know many people here in B.C.who let their
premiums slide due to the expense.Tell them about universal health care.
And there is no such thing as wait lists either I'm sure.
 

Spade

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It does strike me as odd that more Americans don't vote for a third party.

In my experience Americans are really devoted to the idea of voting. But the notion that a vote for a third party is a wasted ballot seems to keep so many people from actually considering a person that might be a better match for their views. That is how you end up with a ex-parte authorizing, citizen assassinating "liberal" president blocking attorney generals from holding wallstreet accountable.

Imagine trying to buy shoes if there were only two sizes in every store.
Americans split their votes between two identical parties and call it democracy. A strange lesson to teach us foreigners.

The Canada Party - Election 2012 - YouTube

Or this...
Chris Hedges: "AMERICAN FASCISTS" The Christian Right vs USA - YouTube
 

taxslave

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Where's Ralph? Nobody care about the environment anymore? I wish the Occupy people would run a candidate. That might bring a little reality to the table instead of all this made for TV circus nonsense coming from the Repubs.

The occupy people are far to lazy to do something like that. They want to reap the rewards of someone elses sweat for nothing.

I still pay an msp premium every month.And I personally know many people here in B.C.who let their
premiums slide due to the expense.Tell them about universal health care.
And there is no such thing as wait lists either I'm sure.

ANd I can't convince the government to take mu money for MSP premiums because they have stupid people running their computer.
 

ironsides

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That is the major flaw with the idea. But consider that they need to know who you are already in order for you to vote... How else do you prove you are a citizen without an ID?

You cannot, but the government today seems to want just that. Most illegal immigrants like the Democrats, wonder why.
 

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I still pay an msp premium every month.And I personally know many people here in B.C.who let their
premiums slide due to the expense.Tell them about universal health care.
And there is no such thing as wait lists either I'm sure.
Really?
"Effective January 1, 2012, monthly rates are $64.00 for one person, $116.00 for a family of two and $128.00 for a family of three or more."

If that is too much for those of lesser income, monthly payments can be subsidised:

MSP - Premiums

ANd I can't convince the government to take mu money for MSP premiums because they have stupid people running their computer.
Oh, boy, a few years from now, they'll figure things out and send you a bill. lol I'd be chatting with the Minister of Health over that one, if I were you.