They Were Not Shrewd Enough!!

[Vanni Fucci]

^ Another all inclusive, democracy loving type I see.

Democracy is exactly what that ****in' moron Harper has denied this country, and from the sounds of it, you are supportive of that...so don't start talking to me about democracy, because evidently you don't know the first thing about it...

Actually what people support is very important.
Every individuals idea's and opinions are relevant.
I approve of free speech and even think posts like the above should be tolerated.

I couldn't agree more...

However, with typical conservative spin, you've deflected the question entirely...this is not what i was talking about, and you ****ing well know it...

I was talking about after a Parliament is chosen...

After that time, you no longer get a choice in anything the government does...

In an election, we vote for the candidate we feel would do the best job under the current circumstances. If those circumstances change, and we wish to select a different candidate, we can't until another election is called, or the House chooses a different government.

Not everyone's views and ideals are represented in Parliament...surely you must know this...if not then pick up a book and read instead of getting your talking points from conservative.ca

Who or What people voted for is also important.
It's freedom of choice.
No matter what there particular choice may have been.
We need more people to vote, more people to become involved in our political processes, more people to care.

My comment above applies here as well, and I don't wish to repeat it...

The GG made a good choice and it was in keeping with our Constitution and Parliamentary precedence.

What the GG has done, is set a precedent that any weak PM can duck a confidence vote...how is democracy being served then? The House has a constitutional RIGHT to vote the PM out of office...

This is not keeping with tradition, this has never ****ING happened before...

What needs to happen now, is that our political system will attempt do its best
in a difficult time.
Hopefully, and most likely it will endeavor to represent the will of the people as best it can.
Just because you don't like the Government of the day has absolutely nothing to do with what or how Government will function.

Our political system may very well be irreparably broken...

You are right, that during a time of election, your vote is extremely important...but how can we trust that anything will ever get done...

I don't believe Harper will get his majority if another election is called...and so we'd end up with another dysfunctional minority government...and no friendly party to reach out to in order to make Parliament work...

They'd be awful goddamn lucky if the Bloc was willing to work with them...

By the way.
Have you voted in all the Federal, Provincial and municipal elections you have been entitled to?
Just curious.
Trex

Yes, and there was a time I did vote PC (never the reformers we have today), but even if there was some resemblance to the PC party now, I'd still cast my vote elsewhere...

 

[JLM]

Or the GG could have just done her job properly.

She allowed Harper to prorogue because he was unpopular - she allowed him to keep power! Her job is to prevent that not play king maker.

Now Harper is gaining support because Canadians don't understand the system.

No I think the G.G.'s job is to do what SHE thinks is right, as long as it doesn't contradict her job description.

 

[Lester]

I'm sorry but that's not plotting and scheming, it's what we call politics..

And I beg to differ on the election you think will happen in January.. Guess what? In January, we'll still will have an economy to stimulate and it will be a more crucial time than ever for parliament to function. If an election is called, you think that Canadians can wait that long? A campaign will last at least a month or 2.. Canadians can't wait until March for things to get done.

At this point, Harper will have no choice to seek support from the opposition... If his budget has one ounce of partisan right-wing ideology tied to it, forget it... The opposition will never support it.

I think the message is clear, either Harper's government compromises or gets defeated. Simple..

I can't wait to see what he'll choose...

If one can be held in a two week period then that's probably what will happen. it will be more like a mulligan than an election. with 44% in the polls he's going to want one as soon as possible- there's a reason he's up in the polls the electorate wants an election- 44% don't want a coalition period. like Harper or not, he's smart and ruthless, he thinks 4 moves ahead- Dion and Layton are clumsy dolts who can't even remember to bring the right DVD recorder, and you want these fools to run the country which is on the cusp of financial disaster.

 

[Scott Free]

No I think the G.G.'s job is to do what SHE thinks is right, as long as it doesn't contradict her job description.

She did contradict it by playing King maker.

 

[JLM]

She did contradict it by playing King maker.

"She did contradict it by playing King maker."- I'm not sure if most kings would be flipping cartwheels over 7 weeks.

 

[Risus]

More IMO, likely early March 2009.

As long as it is before the liberal convention, lol.

 

[Risus]

Only if they're morons.

as opposed to the three scrooges????

 

[lone wolf]

Not shrewd enough = you can't outsneak a sleezeball

 

[Ron in Regina]

Only if they're morons.

Every Moron, of legal age, is allowed one vote regardless of who they vote for...

Perhaps a basic skill testing question on the ballot like they use to have on lottery tickets?

 

[Walter]

New polls show huge Tory gains:
COMPAS: CPC 51, LPC 20, NDP 10, BQ 8, GPC 6
Ipsos: CPC 46, LPC 23, NDP 13, BQ 9, GPC 8
Ekos: CPC 44, LPC 24, NDP 15, BQ 9, GPC 8
Compas: 72% biz leaders see worse economy under Lib-Ndp-Bloc coalition
Bloody moron CPC voters.

 

[Tyr]

I guess what it really implies is that at the moment Canadians are extremely disappointed and frustrated with the leaders of all the major parties and just want them to stop the petty partisanship and get on with the job of running the country and the dire economic issues we have TODAY

I'll take a shot in the dark and say that if it was up to the ordinary Canadian, whoever comes onto the scene that is "new,fresh" and deemed "untainted" by the current crop of mental midgets would win a majority in a landslide irrespective of what party they belong to.

Canadians are tired of the bulls--t

 

[Lester]

I will agree to that Tyr- I think a lot of people just want a viable long term deal.

 

[Dixie Cup]

MY POINT EXACTLY!!! JMO...Thank You for bringing that point up!!!
Something like 80% of our paper & lumber products (and 90% of the Automobiles)
from Canada are produced for export to the USA who're (<--:shock::shock::lol::lol in a recession,
so they are not building houses or buying cars. North American Automotive sales are
down 50% from two years ago, and 90% of the vehicles made in Canada are shipped
out to the USA...

....So....how many auto workers and forestry workers jobs can realistically be saved?
Half? About half? All of them?:?:

If we keep All of them working with bail-out stimulus packages in the Billions, for
products that nobody is buying, where are we going to put all of these cars and paper
and lumber until the fire-sale where they'll be scrapped to make pipe & firewood?:?:

Manufacturing is a very broad (& important) term. If it's manufacturing a marketable item,
bail them out! If it's a product with no buyers, change the product from GMC Trucks to
GMC Solar Panels or something and then bail them out. Does this make sense???:shock::?:

If "Massey Ferguson" went to the Federal Government with hat in hand wanting Billions to
keep thousands employed to make Threshing Machines (when the farmers are all using
Combines now), would you bail them out (?) or tell them to start making Combines or
Toilet Bowls or something that people want and need if they want a bail-out?:shock::?:

I can't argue with anything you've said

 

[Dixie Cup]

:smile:

MY POINT EXACTLY!!! JMO...Thank You for bringing that point up!!!
Something like 80% of our paper & lumber products (and 90% of the Automobiles)
from Canada are produced for export to the USA who're (<--:shock::shock::lol::lol in a recession,
so they are not building houses or buying cars. North American Automotive sales are
down 50% from two years ago, and 90% of the vehicles made in Canada are shipped
out to the USA...

....So....how many auto workers and forestry workers jobs can realistically be saved?
Half? About half? All of them?:?:

If we keep All of them working with bail-out stimulus packages in the Billions, for
products that nobody is buying, where are we going to put all of these cars and paper
and lumber until the fire-sale where they'll be scrapped to make pipe & firewood?:?:

Manufacturing is a very broad (& important) term. If it's manufacturing a marketable item,
bail them out! If it's a product with no buyers, change the product from GMC Trucks to
GMC Solar Panels or something and then bail them out. Does this make sense???:shock::?:

If "Massey Ferguson" went to the Federal Government with hat in hand wanting Billions to
keep thousands employed to make Threshing Machines (when the farmers are all using
Combines now), would you bail them out (?) or tell them to start making Combines or
Toilet Bowls or something that people want and need if they want a bail-out?:shock::?:

I can't argue with anything you've said