The word "girl" not acceptable anymore?.........

Sal

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Not advised after 11 years old.
unless you are female...it's kinda like n*gger...some can use it and others can't

personally I couldn't care less... one can call another anything if the intent is known, that determines the response one gets and we set ourselves up for that in most cases, in the rest of the cases, it's usually 50/50 between ignorance and intent to harm/alarm

what goes out, comes back...
 

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Is referring to a female as a "lady" sexist?

Btw, if I were on a sinking ship I would never give up a place on the lifeboat to a female for to do so would be both sexist and bowing down to "female privilege."
 

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Is referring to a female as a "lady" sexist?

No but add Little to the Lady and you may have a high heel planted in your face.

 

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unless you are female...it's kinda like n*gger...some can use it and others can't

personally I couldn't care less... one can call another anything if the intent is known, that determines the response one gets and we set ourselves up for that in most cases, in the rest of the cases, it's usually 50/50 between ignorance and intent to harm/alarm

what goes out, comes back...

I agree that intent and context are important but your intent might be harmless but doing so might actually do harm. The comment in the OP is a perfect example. He almost means it as a compliment and he's self-deprecating, but the idea that she should be ashamed for losing a fight to a woman, and calling her a girl instead, only demeans women.
 

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I agree that intent and context are important but your intent might be harmless but doing so might actually do harm. The comment in the OP is a perfect example. He almost means it as a compliment and he's self-deprecating, but the idea that she should be ashamed for losing a fight to a woman, and calling her a girl instead, only demeans women.


It's only demeaning to a misandrist.
 

Sal

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I agree that intent and context are important but your intent might be harmless but doing so might actually do harm. The comment in the OP is a perfect example. He almost means it as a compliment and he's self-deprecating, but the idea that she should be ashamed for losing a fight to a woman, and calling her a girl instead, only demeans women.
so you are saying the comment in the OP bothers you, it does not bother me... as women, it is our right to decide that...to me that is what equal means...personal choice

everyone has a different measure...as a woman it doesn't bother me...but then most things don't and never have

I worked for the LCBO for a number of years back when it was filled with vets and mostly male. I was young and tiny lifting and hauling stuff that would be illegal today and working primarily in a male environment. You learned fast to become one of the boys or quit...it really was that simple. I wanted the money which was over the top for those days.

At first it was uncomfortable learning to set personal boundaries, learning what made me feel uncomfortable and what I was okay with. Once I did I was pretty much set for life and not much bothers me. As a woman, that is my right to set my own boundaries and decide what I am okay with. I would never impose those boundaries on another male or female. Each must find their own. I grew up in a household were women were more than equal. I was taught women could do anything.

I have nothing to prove and nothing to defend. I only have personal standards and my own code. I can not apply that to other women nor can they apply their standards to me. It's about respect more than gender. Some people are respectful of others some are not.

When some disrespect others it may be gender specific...in general though, in my world they are merely disrespectful individuals.

Hope I explained that in a way that can be understood. It's hard to explain a standard that is personal and not really dependent upon the "norm".

I'm very comfortable with that double standard. I mean for the n-word, of course. I'm not so sure this "little lady' paranoia exists.
The word n*gger is often used by blacks and they think it is okey dokey...other blacks do not like it used period. In general I find the word offensive, others have indicated to me that they do too. Out of respect for them and personal choice it is not a word that I would use.
 

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so you are saying the comment in the OP bothers you, it does not bother me... as women, it is our right to decide that...to me that is what equal means...personal choice

everyone has a different measure...as a woman it doesn't bother me...but then most things don't and never have

I worked for the LCBO for a number of years back when it was filled with vets and mostly male. I was young and tiny lifting and hauling stuff that would be illegal today and working primarily in a male environment. You learned fast to become one of the boys or quit...it really was that simple. I wanted the money which was over the top for those days.

What do you mean by "become one of the boys"?
 

Sal

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some? and who are these "some"?
many young blacks are comfortable calling each other n*gger, that would be an example of the "some" other than that, it's a generalized comment that you would need to answer for yourself

What do you mean by "become one of the boys"?
at that time it basically meant not easily offended by some of the off colour jokes, I don't know how old you are but back in the day men would often alter their vocabulary if women were around... "ladies" the gentler/fairer sex etc...they would say stupid things if they swore such as "excuse my french" just stupid behaviour that was considered polite behaviour around the other sex....if you are young that wouldn't mean anything to you (consider yourself lucky) :D
 

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many young blacks are comfortable calling each other n*gger, that would be an example of the "some" other than that, it's a generalized comment that you would need to answer for yourself
Must be something similar to a bald headed guy telling a bald head joke VS a guy with a full head of hair....
 

gerryh

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Must be something similar to a bald headed guy telling a bald head joke VS a guy with a full head of hair....


No, it's hypocritical. The idea that it's ok for Blacks to use nig ger but not for whites, or for women to use the term girls, but not for men, or for Gay's to use the term Queer but not straights, is hypocritical.
 

Sal

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Must be something similar to a bald headed guy telling a bald head joke VS a guy with a full head of hair....
yeah pretty much... I remember Oprah going public as she is want to do making a huge deal about it when they did their first African tour to set up the girls' school or maybe just research which country to put her first school, something about the Africans using the word with her staff and her freaking out saying that any black that used the word was debasing other blacks and it escalated, ya know how it goes...then others who used the word regularly stepped forward and disagreed... and on it went
 

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No, it's hypocritical. The idea that it's ok for Blacks to use nig ger but not for whites, or for women to use the term girls, but not for men, or for Gay's to use the term Queer but not straights, is hypocritical.


What I find hypocritical is the use of the word N igger is so much worse than the use of the words Bo hunk, Spi c, Frog, Wop etc.

I have a question- I always thought the words "woman" and "lady" are interchangeable, although in some contexts "lady" is considered more genteel. Comments!
 

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at that time it basically meant not easily offended by some of the off colour jokes, I don't know how old you are but back in the day men would often alter their vocabulary if women were around... "ladies" the gentler/fairer sex etc...they would say stupid things if they swore such as "excuse my french" just stupid behaviour that was considered polite behaviour around the other sex....if you are young that wouldn't mean anything to you (consider yourself lucky) :D

I'm confused. You described this behavior as that of "disrespectful individuals" but seem completely aware that is was a pervasive part of gender relations.

It still exists today but maybe not as much as it did in the time you're describing. That's because we fought against it. You shouldn't to be demeaned by off-colour jokes and you certainly shouldn't have to feel you need to internalize that culture to work.
 

Sal

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I'm confused. You described this behavior as that of "disrespectful individuals" but seem completely aware that is was a pervasive part of gender relations.

It still exists today but maybe not as much as it did in the time you're describing. That's because we fought against it. You shouldn't to be demeaned by off-colour jokes and you certainly shouldn't have to feel you need to internalize that culture to work.
sorry I have no idea what you are saying here, could you be more specific

who do you perceive as being described as disrespectful?

I also do not understand your comment: "You shouldn't to be demeaned by off-colour jokes and you certainly shouldn't have to feel you need to internalize that culture to work"

who feels demeaned, not me that's for sure so who is feeling demeaned?

internalize what culture?

thanks

What I find hypocritical is the use of the word N igger is so much worse than the use of the words Bo hunk, Spi c, Frog, Wop etc.
blacks were enslaved...the label n*gger was attached to the slavery ... there is a huge difference, slaves were property... the rest are demeaning labels, not good but not death threats

I have a question- I always thought the words "woman" and "lady" are interchangeable, although in some contexts "lady" is considered more genteel. Comments!
depends upon how they are used, in some contexts they are the same in others they are different... a Lady was "higher" than a woman when it would indicate class ie: Lady Chatterly's Lover....she was a woman who was a "lady"