The true marvelous story of Moses

[selfsame]

Moses?
So how come all the cartouches carved on all those stones throughout the middle east with the basket and reeds, and the whole baby in a basket who became king story, actually happened to Sargon the great 1500 years before christianity?
Sargon of Akkad - Ancient History Encyclopedia
religion, geez

God's way of dealing with people was, is and will be the same.
E.g. the killer will sooner or later be killed; the one who transgresses on people will have the same transgression by others.

In these ayat of the Quran which I cited you see this:
Quran 28: 14, which means:
{And when he [Moses] attained his [thirty years age of] full strength, and reached his [forty years age of the mind] maturity, We offered to him authority [concerning the miracles] and knowledge [about the religion and the Torah.]

Thus do We reward those [of your nation, O Mohammed] who are kind.}

Therefore, God made Moses a prophet and a messenger because he was kind-hearted and a good doer; then in the next part of the aya, He said: Thus do We reward those [of your nation, O Mohammed] who are kind.

It means: The kind-hearted among Mohammed's nation ... in the same way God will give them knowledge and authority as did He give to Moses.

In some other ayat, God said that He punished the guilty among the past nations of disbelievers, then in the same way He will deal with the guilty among Mohammed's nation in the future.

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I say this, to emphasize that if such story of Sargon the Akkadian is true, and it is somewhat similar to some parts of the story of Moses, then it may have been repeated: God deals with many persons in the same way to save them from similar tyrants.

God saves His servants who are devoted to Him in the same way or in other ways.
And it is narrated that the Mahdi will be helped in such way: Pharaoh was drowned in the sea, while Moses and his people were saved.

The Mahdi will be helped in the same way: the host of disbelievers will be terminated in a miraculous way so that the earth will swallow them up like Korah or a disaster will befall them to terminate them altogether while the Mahdi and his followers will be saved.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The most important thing about Moses was his truly spectacular NBA career.

 

[selfsame]

Oh yes. Mohammad is mentioned.


Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Ugly Zionist, this text does not relate to God's messenger the noble Prophet Mohammed - salam to him; who invited people to God alone without associate; but it relates to the false prophets of the Baal or Baalim and the false prophets of every idol and the inviter to the idolatry and the association with God All-Mighty.

Read about the false prophets of the Baal in the story of Prophet Elia or Elijah and how he killed them on the bank of the river. Such false prophets were the priest of the Baal which was worshipped by the Children of Israel for a considerable period of time, starting from King Achab and his wife Jezabel.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#They_Worshiped_the_Idols_

 

[Murphy]

There I go, being an ugly Zionist again. And selfsame, you're still an idolater.

Moses would not associate with, or talk to false prophets like Mohammad. Revelations is full of warnings. In fact, the Old Testament is full of warnings from God about false prophets like Mohammad. Do not listen to, or speak with Satan's messengers. The righteous know the word of God, not the lies of Islam.

Moses led the people of Israel out of bondage, to save his people from the slavery and paganism of the Egyptians. Muslims are pagans. They worship false idols. You have sealed your own doom, idolater. God will have vengeance upon you. The Egyptians learned nothing when Moses led his people out of bondage. Satan's servants of Islam have learned nothing either.

I reject you, demon! Be gone. Return to your master, Satan, and tell him that you have failed. No one cares to listen to your lies.

 

[selfsame]

The Story of Moses
Quran Soora 28:

[Then God – be glorified – mentioned an incident happened to Moses, before the authority and knowledge were given to him, and He said:]
15. And he entered the city [of Thebes a] at [noon] time when its people were unaware b, and found there two men fighting c: one was of his own party d, and the other was [a Copt: one] of his enemies.
Now the one that was of his party cried to him for help against the other that was of his enemies; so Moses struck him [on the heart] with his fist, and dispatched him e,
and [then he] said: "This [incident] is [some] of Satan's doing f; he is surely a manifest enemy [of the Children of Adam.]"

16. [At that time], he said: "My Lord, I have wronged myself [by killing this Copt]; forgive me [my fault!]"
So [His Lord] forgave him; for He is the Most Forgiving [for the repenting], the Most Merciful [to the regretting.]

17. He said: “My Lord! since You have favored me [by concealing that I had slain him], I will never be g any supporter of the guilty [like my companion whom I helped yesterday.]" h

18. Next morning, he was in the city, fearful and vigilant i when, behold, the man – who had sought his help the day before – cried [again] for his help [against another Copt.] Moses said to him: "Truly, you are a manifest troublemaker." j

19. But when he [repeated his appeal for help, and Moses] would have assaulted [the Copt] who was an enemy to them both k, [the Copt] said:
"Moses, do you intend to slay me, even as you slew a living person yesterday? You only intend to be a tyrant in the land; you intend not to be a peace maker [between people.]"

20. Then came a man l from the furthest part of the city, walking quickly; he said: "Moses, the chief of the Copt are conspiring as for to slay you; therefore, go out [of the land of Egypt]; I am a sincere adviser to you."

21. He therefore went out of [the city of Pharaoh, aiming at Midian] fearful [of being killed] and vigilant [about their pursuing after him]; he said: "My Lord, save me from the people of the oppressors."
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15 a Which was the capital of Pharaoh, the ruins of which are still present till now.
15 b At the time when people had some sleep at afternoon, and it was Summer time, and people are in their homes because of the extreme heat. Moses had gone out of the city before that to see his relatives among the Children of Israel in the village nowadays known as Tell el-Yahudiya (Mound of the Jews). Then when he returned to the city of Thebes, he found two men …
15 c i.e. beating each other.
15 d The Children of Israel.
15 e i.e. he killed him by one strike on his heart with his fist.
Then Moses turned right and left and did not see anyone, so he buried him in the sand, and went his way.
15 f For Satan enraged me, and I struck him and he died.

17 g After today, or from now on.
17 h That is because when Moses got out of the city next day, to see his relatives, they told him that the one, who asked his help the day before, had spread the killing story among the Children of Israel, and had not concealed it as had Moses recommended him. Such act was indeed an offense against Moses, and when Moses blamed him about that, he apologized to him and said: “I did not tell anyone of the Copt about that, but I only told your brothers about it; may God help you and hide your case.”
So Moses returned by night to the city.

18 i Worried whether the Copts knew about the killer or not.
18 j Yesterday you deceived me, and today you again call me and seek my help.

19 k Because he was one of the Copt.

20 l Who was one of the Children of Israel.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/28.htm#a28_15

Google search: quran-ayat Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly The Quran interpretation

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Moses would not associate with, or talk to false prophets like Mohammad.

Here's Moses leading his people. . .

 

[selfsame]

There I go, being an ugly Zionist again. And selfsame, you're still an idolater.

Moses would not associate with, or talk to false prophets like Mohammad. Revelations is full of warnings. In fact, the Old Testament is full of warnings from God about false prophets like Mohammad. Do not listen to, or speak with Satan's messengers. The righteous know the word of God, not the lies of Islam.

Moses led the people of Israel out of bondage, to save his people from the slavery and paganism of the Egyptians. Muslims are pagans. They worship false idols. You have sealed your own doom, idolater. God will have vengeance upon you. The Egyptians learned nothing when Moses led his people out of bondage. Satan's servants of Islam have learned nothing either.

I reject you, demon! Be gone. Return to your master, Satan, and tell him that you have failed. No one cares to listen to your lies.

You are mixing gasoline with oil.

So: false prophets like Mohammed --- F (it is only your assertion)
Satan's messengers --- F (it is only your assertion)
The righteous know the word of God, not the lies of Islam.--- F (it is only your assertion)
Muslims are pagans.They worship false idols --- F (it is only your assertion)


etc etc; you say all this loudly only to convince yourself, because you are afraid to confront the truth of the Quran, Prophet Mohammed and the religion of the Islam.

In other words you say such assertions and lies so as to make a psychological shield with which you shield yourself against accepting the truth that:
the Quran invites people to worship God alone without associate, and that Prophet Mohammed did not have rest until he broke up all the idols worshiped by his people, and he invited people to worship God alone. On the other hand the Quran warns people against following Satan in a large number of the Quran ayat.

 

[DaSleeper]

Mohamed was a child molester!

 

[Ludlow]

He was a damn good ball player who passed away too soon. I wonder if he wrote of his own death like the other moses did

 

[Remington1]

IN short, Abraham was a Israelite Egyptian who had killed an Egyptian who was beating a Hebrew. He fled in the desert to later return to save the Israelite. Unfortunately, he and his following got lost for 40 years, but eventually landed on the banks of the Jordan river, he settled them in, gave the rules and laws of existence and left to die on Mount Nebo? He is honoured as the author of the Torah.

 

[Murphy]

You are mixing gasoline with oil....

I think not. The Bible warns of the devil's tricks. Satan does this by spreading false gospel. The Quran is an example of false gospel. A book of lies written by a murderous pedophile. One of Satan's messengers. Mohammad, a false prophet speaks the false gospel.

Deuteronomy warns us of false prophets like Mohammad. And you, selfsame. You are a demon sent here to trick the weak minded. You wish them to follow the words of a false and lying man. We know Mohammad is no prophet. He is not God's messenger.

Deuteronomy 13:5 ...That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

Deuteronomy 18:20 ...But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

This is God's statement of your lies.

Jeremiah, 14:15 ...Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Be gone demon! No one believes your lies and treachery.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You are mixing gasoline with oil.

Which is simply good sense. If you don't mix your gasoline with oil in a two-stroke engine, pretty damn quick you're gonna have an expensive paperweight.

 

[Murphy]

Can't fault you there.

 

[selfsame]

I think not. The Bible warns of the devil's tricks. Satan does this by spreading false gospel!!.. The Quran is an example of false gospel !!?... A book of lies!? ... written!? by a murderous pedophile..!?. One of Satan's messengers!!?. Mohammad, a false prophet!!? .. speaks the false gospel!?.

Such words are not more than assertions of a fanatic man ... it is like the address of an orator; if one takes these points of assertions one by one: it will logically be found very fragile and frail.

Deuteronomy warns us of false prophets like Mohammad. And you, selfsame. You are a demon sent here to trick the weak minded. You wish them to follow the words of a false and lying man. We know Mohammad is no prophet. He is not God's messenger.

No mention of Prophet Mohammed - salam to him - in such texts, but it is you who claims it is related to him.
Your words are merely your assertions without proof.

Deuteronomy 13:5 ...That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

The same as above.

Deuteronomy 18:20 ...But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

This is God's statement of your lies.

The same as above.

Jeremiah, 14:15 ...Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Be gone demon! No one believes your lies and treachery.

The same as above.

Moreover, what does the true prophet tell people, according to your concept: to worship and glorify God alone or to glorify others? Will the true prophet tell people to magnify God or to magnify Jesus? When it is according to your enthusiasm there is no difference between God and Jesus Christ, while Prophet Mohammed respected Jesus and his mother, but he said: Do not magnify the Christ, but magnify God Who sent him, and do not worship Jesus Christ because he was a mortal like other people and only he was a righteous servant of God, but not His son, neither he was God Himself nor yet he is any part of three or Trinity.

So which is the false prophet: the one who tells people: Glorify and worship God and do not claim he has any son or daughter ... because such sons and daughters are only the idolatry of the ancient Greek and other ancient peoples which was intermingled with the pure monotheism brought by Jesus Christ.

 

[Murphy]

My god tells me to shun the words of false prophet like Mohammad.

You cannot use your book of lies, the Quran, to support your arguments, idolater. Your words are meaningless. Satan has instructed you to come here, but we recognize your evil and refuse it.

Be gone demon! No one believes your lies and treachery.

 

[selfsame]

This is, in the Quran, about the one who claims he has received a revelation from God:

Quran 6: 93-94, which means:

[And it was revealed about those who falsely claimed the prophet-hood, like Musailamah and others:]
{ 93. But who can do more wrong than one who invents a lie against God a,
or who says: "I have been inspired [of God]" when nothing [of that] has been inspired to him,
and who says: "I shall reveal [a revelation] like [the Quran] that God has revealed."

[Then God – be glorified – explained about those of the Children of Israel who in the past claimed the prophecy falsely:]
If you [Mohammed] could only see c when the wrong-doers suffered the agonies of death and the angels [of death] stretch forth their hands [to those of them who were about to die on their deathbed, saying to them]:
"Get your souls out [of your bodies]; today you shall be recompensed with the chastisement of humiliation; for that you said [lies] against God [and words] other than the truth, and that you were arrogantly proud over d [believing in] His signs [of revelation.]

94. Now [after your death] have you come to Us solitary e [naked] as did We create you at first [when you came out of your mothers' wombs], and you have left behind you [in the World] all [the wealth, mates and children f] that We gave to you in deposit g,
and We see not with you those your intercessors h whom you claimed to be associates [of God] in your opinion.
Now is the bond between you severed, and [the intercession] that you claimed [in the World] has failed you.}
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93 a By claiming the prophet-hood or the apostle-hood.
93 c The condition of those who invented lies against God, by claiming such claims.
93 d So that you say: "Had we willed, we could have said like this Quran", but in fact you do not say then anything of that.

94 e Without mates, children or dresses.
94 f Without benefiting of any of that.
94 g It means: you left the wealth and bore loads of sins, and the others enjoyed the wealth that you left behind, while you are now taken to account about it; so what a grief!
94 h Whom you claimed they would intercede for you.

Nowadays, most of Muslims, [Jews, Christians and others] started to sin and commit crimes and say these sheikhs, [sages and saints] are our intercessors with God; so they consider the sheikhs, imams, [saints and sages] and the graves of prophets as the intercessors according to their claim; as did Quraish and the associaters among the Arab claim that the angels would intercede for them before God; so God denied their words and disproved their doctrines;

so He – be glorified – said in the Quran 39: 44, which means:
(Say: "To God belongs exclusively the [right to permit] intercession.)

Moreover, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 21: 28, which means:
(And they intercede not [for anyone of people] except for those whom [God] is well-pleased with, and they tremble in awe of His [glory and might.])

In addition, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 74: 48, which means:
(So the intercession of intercessors will never help them [at that time.])

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the apostle of the Christ.

A Call to Christians [by] Apostle of the Christ
http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#A_Call_to_Christians_

N.B. The 'intercession' is called by Christians the 'redemption': they claim the Christ came to redeem them of their sins, and so by his redemption and intercession will go to heaven or paradise!

 

[DaSleeper]

Selshame shove your quran, you know where, with your left hand of course.

 

[selfsame]

The reviling and mockery are only the weapon of the disabled who cannot give argument.

For this reason, the fanatic ones like Murphy and the Sleeper, will never and cannot read the glorious Quran, therefore they resort to such silly words of reviling and mockery. :thumbup:

 

[DaSleeper]

I don't have to read a whole book of bullshyte to know it's bullshyte

 

[selfsame]

A rule about how to know is any prophet is true or false:

When Jesus Christ was asked which commandment is greater? he answered:
The first commandment which is the greatest of all the commandments, that is: God our Lord is One, and to love God by all your means.

Therefore, the First Commandment which declares: You should worship God and no other god beside Him ... this is the essence of the heavenly religion.

Hence, the messenger or prophet who invites people to God alone without associate or peer ... he is a true prophet.
While the one who invites people to other gods or to idols or to glorify others besides God Almighty ... then he is a false prophet.

In the time of Prophet Elia or Elijah, the worship of the idol Baal or Baalim prevailed, and so Prophet Elia or Elijah addressed people and said: I only am left as the prophet of God, while the prophets of the Baal are so many ...
etc.

Read his story in this link:
http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#intended_to_kill_Prophet_Elia_Elijah

Now, the Quran as a whole invites to God alone without associate or peer or son or daughters or wife, and God has not patron together with Him to be worshiped.
And the title of Prophet Mohammed is that he is God's servant and His messenger.

Moreover, Prophet Mohammed - salam to him - broke up all the idols of his people.

So is there any wise man to contemplate this to deduce that Mohammed was the noble and truthful prophet and messenger of God.

But the fanatic men cannot see this truth, and those ((following the traditions of their own people rather than following the commandments of God)) will not find the right guidance of the Quran of God and the truthfulness of His messenger Mohammed the son of Abdullah.