The US very much lost the War of 1812.
The British achieved what they wanted: the way things were before the war started. The status quo.
In fact, during the signing of the peace treaty at Ghent, not one American aim of the war was even discussed.
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The US very much lost the War of 1812.
The British achieved what they wanted: the way things were before the war started. The status quo.
In fact, during the signing of the peace treaty at Ghent, not one American aim of the war was even discussed.
And British troops killed many more of their own as well as Afghan and Coalition troops.
We saved your butts and that still is a sore spot among the Brits. Which is why the US took charge of the whole theater... Briddish incompetence.
"I think you have no right, from the state of war, to demand any concession of territory from America ... You have not been able to carry it into the enemy's territory, notwithstanding your military success and now undoubted military superiority, and have not even cleared your own territory on the point of attack. You cannot on any principle of equality in negotiation claim a cessation of territory except in exchange for other advantages which you have in your power ... Then if this reasoning be true, why stipulate for the uti possidetis? You can get no territory: indeed, the state of your military operations, however creditable, does not entitle you to demand any" - Duke of Wellington to the British PM
Ohhhhh SNAP!
That's a favourite refrain of Americans, who believe in their glorified and romaniticised history. "WE SAVED YOUR BUTTS DURING WWII, MAN, YEEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!"
The truth is that many historians are of the belief that Britain would have won the war without the belated "help" of the United States.
AND WWI! Of course they would say that. The truth hurt so much... British pride was squashed by German Blitzkrieg. Only the Soviets, Americans, and Commonwealth members rushing to fight the Germans saved England from yet another defeat.
No difference from the Kuwaiti's claiming they could have beaten Iraq after they were liberated.
I think they get as far as NorthBay, We only get the Doctors and lawyers here....They drive big SUV's
The stereotypical "corner store jockeys" find the temperature too cold up here ;-) :grin:
What you fail to mention is that the vast majority, or all, of the so-called British friendly fire incidents were caused accidentally whilst, for example, battling the enemy - such as a British stray bullet killing a British soldier.
With the Americans, though, the friendly fire incidents were mainly caused deliberately, with US soldiers and airmen DELIBERATELY firing upon the British as a result of being poorly trained and therefore not being able to recognise their enemies and also being typical trigger-happy Americans.
And you mention just the deaths - there are many friendly fire incidents with no fatalities.
In just three-and-a-half years, in just one part of Afghanistan, the Americans delieberately shot at British soldiers an incredible 19 times. I doubt British soldiers have ever reached those heights anywhere against US soldiers.
In the next war. there will be no saving butts. There will be no winners but the occasional roach. And, there will be no empires to boast invulnerability.
Friendly fire is friendly fire and your excuses for Brit troops is laughable at best
British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from the Royal Life Guards, killing two.[95] It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6–8 Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period and only after the attack was completed did they realize that the missiles were British, based upon the fragments found after the incident
6-8 Javelins DELIBERATELY at Danish Troops!
On 9 July 2008, nine British soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment were injured after being fired upon by British Army Apache helicopter while on patrol in Afghanistan
Injuring 9 on patrol!
In the night on 14 January 2008 in Helmand Province, British troops saw some Afghans "conducting suspicious activities". Visibility was too bad for rifle-fire and they were too far away to call in mortar strikes. The squad decided to use a Javelin anti-tank missile they were carrying. British soldiers fired their missile on the nearby roof but the victims were their own Afghan army sentries. One Afghan soldier was killed
Killed their own sentries for "suspicious activities" with ANOTHER javelin!
Shall we go on?
America entered WWI just 17 months before it finished, and had a minimal effect on it.
In fact, when the US entered the war it was so unprepared for it that the Americans had to rely on the British to provide them with mortars, machine guns, steel helmets and uniforms. They also had to borrow artillery guns off the French.
The lack of speed with which the Yanks were sent to Europe was later criticised by British PM David Lloyd George. The 1st Division AEF (American Expeditionary Force) landed in France in June 1917. The 2nd Division did not arrive until September and by October 31st, 1917, the AEF only numbered 6,064 officers and 80,969 men. In roughly the same time span in 1914, the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) had got 354,750 men into the field. Nine months after America declared war, there were 175,000 American troops in Western Europe. In the same time span of nine months from 1914 to 1915, Britain had put 659,104 men into the various theatres of war. Therefore, in 1917, despite her strength on paper, America played little part in the war activities of that year.
You really need to do some research.
The Blitz was - and still is - a SOURCE of pride for the British, not a destroyer of it.
Have you never heard of the Blitz Spirit? Whilst America was still plucking up the courage to enter the war the British were she only country to be fighting the Germans, despite having their cities bombed and many of their civilians killed.
Hitler assumed that the Blitz would wear the British down and force them to surrender, but he was wrong. Rather than wear them down it just made the British more resolute, more resilient and more determined to beat Adolf. And we did just that.
The Blitz was a strategic military DEFEAT for Germany, because it didn't have the effect that the Germans thought it would have - a British surrender.
You really need to study your history more if you think that British pride "took a squashing" during the Blitz.
The Soviets weren't fighting to save the British. They were fighting to save themselves.
And remember, the British weren't the only Commonwealth power attacked during the War. Just look at Australia with the Japanese.
And what is often ignored is that, throughout most of the time that America was involved in WWII, the US was very much the junior partner of Britain. Britain had ten times as many troops in the field as the US did when the US first entered the war. It was a similar situation to how the US was Britain's junior parnter in WWI, despite the US having a larger population.
The fact is that the British didn't need the Yanks during WWII. I know it hurts your American pride to say it, but we just didn't. The British in the Western Europe and the Soviets in Eastern Europe could have won it without you.
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And yet we STILL saved your butts as you bled yourselves and the Commonwealth Nations WHITE with your poor tactics.
LMAO... Blitzkrieg... not The Blitz. I know the Brits are not the brightest nation but I would expect them to be able to at least read.
The German Blitzkrieg drove the Brits into the Channel at Dunkirk. They would not return to France in any force until an American General was in the lead.
Absolutely... for a time. The Brits would be of no help until the Yanks arrived.
One would think you should have! You declared war and got your butts kicked by the Germans in Europe. They laughed you off the continent!
Remember Dunkirk!
You did not have nearly the manpower nor skill to outmatch the Germans. German turning attention to the Soviets is what saved your island from yet another conquest by a foreign invader.
Churchill BEGGED FDR over and over to enter a war that the Brits started and were losing.
Is that quote supposed to be some sort of proof that the US won the War of 1812?
Just face it. The British won that war and the Americans - who still lie to this day about the British supposedly pressganging Americans into the Royal Navy - lost.
At the Treaty of Ghent the British got what they wanted - the way things were BEFORE the war.
The Americans not only didn't get any of the things they wanted when hostilities broke out, but none of them - not one - was even spoken about during the signing of the Treaty of Ghent.
The US lost the War of 1812, it's as simple as that.
We crushed the Brits in the War of 1812. They were embarrassed yet again and their plans of restricting US expansion westward failed.
The Brits would never stand up to the U.S again. They became frightened of them.
They certainly did the most damage against the Germans. It was Operation Barbarossa that saved the Brits.
I was watching Obama, even if the Congress says no, they blast away anyway and it's up to the Congress people to coddle the Constituents and hand out well intended "there theres".
And yet we STILL saved your butts [/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT]
No, you didn't.
Where, for example, were the Americans in North Africa when the British were defeating Rommel?
And do you think D-Day would have been possible had the British not defeated the Germans at the Battle of Britain without American help?
I suppose it was easy for the Yanks after the Brits and the Soviets did a lot of the hard work and graft beforehand.
The 5 Most Widely Believed WWII Facts (That Are Bull****)
#5. America Won the War Single-Handedly
Claimed By:
Hollywood, WWII-shooters, Cold War politics and chauvinists.
Sixty years of World War II movies, and a decade of WWII video games, have made one thing clear: If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German right now, baby! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Why it's Bull****:
Because it's like thinking that while many X-Men contributed in their own special way, defeating Magneto really came down to Iceman.
There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone’s assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here’s a hint: It’s the same one Hollywood chose to film.
World War II wasn’t just a clever name. It was a global conflict that included epic acts of heroism by non-Americans like the storming of Madagascar, the Battle of Westerplatte, the Battle of Moscow, the Battle of Kursk, the epically badass Kokoda Trac, the pilots of the Polish Underground State, the details of British exploits as El Alamein or the HMS Bulldog. Of course, Americans never hear about any of those unless, as in the case of the classic submarine film U 571, the characters are just straight up switched to Americans. To quote George S. Patton: “Americans love a winner,” which you know because you saw Patton, the film that portrayed Field Marshal Bernard “Rommel-killer” Montgomery like a buffoon simply because he was British.
However, there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The “Great Patriotic War” as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.
Cheerio, guv’na!
Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn’t just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was “four times the scale” of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered eight million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.
Suck it up, Damon.
Sounds pretty brutal for a John Wayne movie? Try figuring in another 13.7 million dead civilians.
It’s tragic how many kids in the West never heard these stories growing up. One platoon leader in the Red Army named Yakov Pavlov personally rigged a Stalingrad apartment building with enough landmines, rifles and mortars to hold off half the Nazi army. The building was under fire day and night and even had some civilians in the basement, but the fortress never fell. Pavlov himself picked off one dozen tanks from the beast.
Our history books should not have been denied such awesomeness.
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The British? The British were tailing behind the Canadians as they lead the way straight up to Ortona where they could have gone the distance but had to wait it out until the British caught up and took the PR of winning the battle. How do you like that little bit o kit? The truth of N Africa and Italy is a Canadian victory.
From the Modern hills of Helmand
to the Duke of Wellington
We just matched up two centuries
of History on the run...!
Why don't you just surrender sir, and admit that the Peoples Republic of Vermont won the War of 1812 hands down.
They even beat off the US invasion of Burlington - all in the name of Free trade and the Kings gold ...
US landings in North Africa secured the victory as well as the Germans not being able to get troops and supplies to Afrika Corps because they had bigger problems with the Soviets.
The Germans turned their attention to the invasion of the USSR... thus ending the Battle of Britain.
Oh... BTW...
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You fail again!
The Soviets did all the hard work until the US got involved.
As far as you red font propaganda... funny.
It wasn't our fight. You're the ones that foolishly declared war on Germany for Poland... a nation which you abandoned completely during and AFTER the war.
Which you would be wrong. The Luftwaffe and U-Boats would have rendered the RN useless if they brought them to full bear.
If full German power was concentrated on the Brits you would have been smothered. You just weren't strong enough.
No matter... we saved you in the end and as usual.