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petros

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The Caspian project is having some serious issues since the nearly two years that article was written just as it has had in the previous 8 years of build a little, wait build a little wait.

Russia is backing the Iran-Iraq-Syria line and they are taking over the Greeks too. For the past 2 years I've been saying all this kerfuffle is based on gas and the boogieman is just a diversion. Israel is in deep with the Ruskies and even Iran and Hezbollah just like America uses al Qaeda for their boogieman. Israel has some serious deficit issues and money from the US has slowed to a trickle and Russia is picking up the slack and then some which has the broke assed US, Saudis and Qataris sh*tting bricks. Russia and Israel could easily grab the Suez and screw the US and Saudis royally.

Keep an eye on China who will building a line south into Africa where America's name is mud just like the ME.

The tide is turning Goober, blow off the boogieman diversion and watch it all unfold as an energy play like I've insisted all along.
 

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What is so important about Syria??

What is so important about Syria?? -Gas-Oil- Strategic location. Iran next door- Shia -Sunni killing each other.

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Six million dead in Congo's war - Caritas Internationalis

Over six million people have been killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the deadliest conflict since the Second World War.

A study published by the International Rescue Committee (IRC) in January 2008 said that 5.4 million people had died from 1998 to 2007 in Congo, with 45,000 more victims being added to the death toll every mont
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With Congo’s war showing no signs of abating, this would put the death toll at 6.9 million today.
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Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitate

Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitate



BEIRUT/WASHINGTON - Syria hailed an "historic American retreat" on Sunday, mockingly accusing President Barack Obama of hesitation and confusion after he delayed a military strike to consult Congress.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said tests had shown sarin nerve gas was fired on rebel-held areas near Damascus, and expressed confidence that lawmakers would do "what is right" in responding to last month's attack.

Washington says more than 1,400 people, many of them children, were killed in the attack.

Obama's decision on Saturday to seek congressional authorization for punitive military action against Syria is likely to delay any strike for at least nine days.

However, the United Nations said his announcement could be seen as part of an effort to forge a global consensus on responding to the use of chemical arms anywhere.

With Obama drawing back from the brink, President Bashar al-Assad's government reacted defiantly to the threat of Western retaliation for the Aug. 21 chemical attack, which it says was staged by the rebels.

Assad said Syria was capable of confronting any external strike, but left the most withering comments to his official media and a junior minister.

"Obama announced yesterday, directly or through implication, the beginning of the historic American retreat," Syria's official al-Thawra newspaper said in a front-page editorial.

Syria's Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad accused Obama of indecision. "It is clear there was a sense of hesitation and disappointment in what was said by President Barack Obama yesterday. And it is also clear there was a sense of confusion as well," he told reporters in Damascus.

Before Obama put on the brakes, the path had been cleared for a U.S. assault. Navy ships were in place and awaiting orders to launch missiles, and UN inspectors had left Syria after gathering evidence on the use of chemical weapons.

Kerry urged skeptical U.S. lawmakers to back a strike on Assad's forces. "This is squarely now in the hands of Congress," he told CNN, saying he had confidence "they will do what is right because they understand the stakes."

WEARY AMERICANS

Last month's attack was the deadliest incident of the Syrian civil war and the world's worst use of chemical arms since Iraq's Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Kurds in 1988.

However, opinion polls show strong opposition to a punitive strike among Americans weary of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

U.S. lawmakers for the most part welcomed Obama's decision but have not cut short their summer recess, which ends Sept. 9. Many Democrats and Republicans are uneasy about intervening in a distant civil war in which 100,000 people have been killed over the past 2-1/2 years.

Lawmakers were to be briefed by Obama's national security team on the case for military action. Kerry said he had more evidence backing accusations against the Syrian government.

"I can share with you today that blood and hair samples that have come to us through an appropriate chain of custody, from east Damascus, from first responders, it has tested positive for signatures of sarin," Kerry told CNN's "State of the Union."

The UN weapons inspectors collected their own samples and diplomats say Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has told the five permanent Security Council members - Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States - that it would take up to two weeks before the final report is ready.

Ban views Obama's decision "as one aspect of an effort to achieve a broad-based international consensus on measures in response to any use of chemical weapons," UN spokesman Martin Nesirky said.

In Damascus, Syrians reacted with a mixture of relief, disappointment and scorn to Obama's decision. "I have to admit this morning was the first time I felt I could sleep in," said Nawal, who works as a housekeeper in the Syrian capital.

Bread had returned to the bakeries and members of the state security forces appeared relaxed, drinking tea and chatting at their posts outside government buildings.

"We always knew there wouldn't be a strike. It's not going to happen. Anyway, we were never nervous about it. We were just worried for the civilians. But we're confident it's not going to happen," one of them said.

FRANCE CANNOT GO IT ALONE

The United States had originally been expected to lead a strike relatively quickly, backed up by its NATO allies Britain and France. However, British lawmakers voted last Thursday against any involvement and France said on Sunday it would await the U.S. Congress's decision.

"France cannot go it alone," Interior Minister Manuel Valls told Europe 1 radio. "We need a coalition."

French President Francois Hollande, whose country ruled Syria for more than two decades until the 1940s, has come under increasing pressure to put the intervention to parliament.

A BVA poll on Saturday showed most French people do not approve of military action against Syria and most do not trust Hollande to conduct such an operation.

Jean-Marc Ayrault, his prime minister, was to meet the heads of both houses of parliament and the conservative opposition on Monday before lawmakers debate Syria on Wednesday.

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Riyadh would back a U.S. strike on Syria if the Syrian people did. He was speaking at a meeting in Cairo of the Arab League, which has blamed Syria for the chemical attack but has so far stopped short of explicitly endorsing Western military strikes.

Syria and its main ally, Russia, say rebels carried out the gas attack as a ploy to draw in foreign military intervention. Moscow has repeatedly used its UN Security Council veto to block action against Syria and says any attack would be illegal and only inflame the civil war there.

Obama's credibility had already been called into question for not punishing Assad over earlier alleged gas attacks, and he is under pressure to act now that he believes Damascus has crossed what he once described as a "red line".

Failure to punish Assad, some analysts say, could mean his ally Iran would feel free to press on with a nuclear programme the West believes is aimed at developing an atomic bomb but which Tehran says has only civilian goals. That might encourage Israel to take matters into its own hands, analysts say.

"If Obama is hesitating on the matter of Syria, then clearly on the question of attacking Iran - a move that is expected to be far more complicated - Obama will hesitate much more, and thus the chances Israel will have to act alone have increased," Israeli Army Radio quoted an unnamed government official as saying.

Pope Francis called for a negotiated solution to the conflict in Syria and announced he would lead a worldwide day of prayer for peace in the country on Saturday.

source: Syria hails 'historic American retreat' as Obama hesitates | World | News | Toronto Sun
 

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This is more a reconsideration of reason. There should not be an effort to hammer
the current government at all. Yes someone used gas we don't know who, but I
suspect the government forces. Yes there is death for men women and children
and there is nothing civil about a civil war. Let us look at this with reason rather
than emotion.
The current government is a nasty piece of work and democracy does not exist.
However living in Syria are Muslims, Christians and Jews.. If the current folks
are removed from power that will change overnight.

Who makes up the opposition? Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and even the Taliban.
Can you imagine that crowd running the country? Destroy the present governments
will and you will have the biggest mess the Middle East has seen so far. Bombing
would have the worst case scenario. No sense ranting for peace either both sides
are locked in a life and death struggle for victory. I am for neither but the present
government is still a better bet than the terrorists winning and making things more
difficult.
 

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Syria Threads - merge them all.
 

petros

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A-Stan is a stalemate, Iraq a WTF was that for, so trying anything with Syria is a piss poor idear.
 

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A-Stan is a stalemate, Iraq a WTF was that for, so trying anything with Syria is a piss poor idear.

Oil- Gas- Sunni-Shia power plays.
Why should we do anything.

Iraq-Syria- Look to see what the Kurds do. They hold a key for a substantial area that crosses borders. And are well armed.
 

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Kurds are inter-squabbling too. They need to hit the brakes and start working on making Kurdistan a reality. They are sitting a sweet spot for heavy oil and can make themselves a good future if they settle down and get cohesive.
 

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Kurds are inter-squabbling too. They need to hit the brakes and start working on making Kurdistan a reality. They are sitting a sweet spot for heavy oil and can make themselves a good future if they settle down and get cohesive.

Oh they will. Wait for it. May take a tad of time. Turkey is once again the key.
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petros

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NG and the money involved worked to help settle Israel's differences with Turkey, heavy oil may do the same for the Kurds. To the Turks and others, Kurds are like Roma. Persona non grata.

As the old adages says "money talks and bullsh*t walks".
 

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Hypothetical #1 with follow-up question.
Suppose Obama were convinced the perpetrators were among the rebel forces not the Assad regime. Would he seek to strike the rebels militarily with cruise missiles etc.?
 

petros

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What is so important about Syria?? -Gas-Oil- Strategic location. Iran next door- Shia -Sunni killing each other.
Which is more induced fighting due to propaganda.

It's no different than the Left/Right crap being fed to the brain dead masses in Nor Am. It's created as a divide and conquer extravaganza where everybody is losing Rights and Freedoms because of their stupidity.

Those who spouted " I have nothing to hide" or "if you're not following along you're with the terrorists" or "if you don't like it you can leave" under Bush are now too ashamed to admit they were had and now blame Obama for their own stupidity.
 

petros

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If he knows the Rebels are al Qaeda, why would he trust that they aren't responsible? Blast the snot out of the Rebels and there goes the al Qaeda problem.

You have to have some serious screws loose to being calling al Qaeda terrorists in one breath and calling them freedom fighters in the next.

Make up whatever is left of your minds already so the rest of us who call "bullsh*t" can go on with our lives.
 

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Believe it or not there are people who aren't extremists that just want their countries back. Afghanistan was an example. The Mujahideen weren't all extremists. The Taliban branched out of it as the extremists, and aren't/weren't supported by the rest.
 

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BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre'

The BBC is facing criticism after it accidentally used a picture taken in Iraq in 2003 to illustrate the senseless massacre of children in Syria.

BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre' - Telegraph




Same pattern as with Bush using fabricated photos to stir up war hysteria.

I guarantee one thing: ultimately, perhaps within a year or two, we are going to discover some form of Downing Street Memo or some proof that the "evidence" used to justify war will be fabricated.

One thing to watch for is this: watch for some terrorist attack whether at home or abroad against the USA. This will be used as a pretext to stir up even more war hysteria.


It's the same pattern every time.