The Spirit of Grace

herald

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"And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of the only-begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14.

"But even as you abound in everything - in faith, and in Word, and in knowledge, and in all earnestness, and in your love in us - that you should abound in His grace." 2 Cor 8:7.

"And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that in everything, always having self-sufficiency you may abound to every good work." 2 Cor 9:8.

"That being justified by His grace, we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:7.

"Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy, and we may find grace for help in the time of need." Heb 4:16.

"But working together, we also call on you, not to receive the grace of God in vain." 2 Cor 6:1.

"How much worse punishment do you think he will be thought worthy to receive having trampled on the Son of God, and having counted the blood of the Covenant in which he was sanctified common, and having insulted the Spirit of Grace." Heb 10:29.

"Beloved, when I gave diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, beloved, it was needful to write unto you, and exhort you that we should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered to the saints. For certain men crept in secretly, those who have been of old marked out to condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 3,4.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin ("Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness" - 1 John 3:4) that grace may abound? Let it not be! We who died to sin, how shall we still live in it?" Rom 6:1.

"And everyone having this hope on Him purifies himself even as that One is pure. Everyone practices sin is also practicing lawlessness and sin is lawlessness. And ye know that He was revealed to bear our sins; and sin is not in Him. Everyone remaining in Him (walks in His Spirit) does not sin. Everyone sinning has not seen Him nor known Him. Matt 7:21-23.

Little children, let no one lead you astray; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. The one practicing sin is of the Devil; because the Devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil. Everyone begotten of God does not sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he is born of God.

By this the children of God and the children of the Devil are revealed: Everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God; also the one not loving his brother. Because this is the message which you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain was of the evil one, and killed his brother. And for what did he kill him? Because his works were evil, but the things of his brother were righteous.

Do not marvel, my brothers if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death unto life because we love the brothers. The one not loving the brother remains in death. Everyone hating the brother is a murderer, and you know that every murderer does not have everlasting life abiding in him.

By this we have known the love of God, because the One laid down His soul for us: and on behalf of the brothers we ought to lay down our souls. Whoever has the means of life of the world, and sees his brother have need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God abide in him? 1 John 3 (This entire message is from the Greek.)

"Blessed are the ones doing His commands, that their authority will be over the tree of life, and by the gates they may enter into the city." Rev 22:14.
 

herald

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I did not cut and paste this discussion...we need to know about the Spirit of Grace, and about what it means to sin.
 

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More cut and paste as we need to know the Truth.

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." KM
 

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To me religion is of the past, when people who did not know who they were because they lived other's expectations of them, who were subservient to their masters, who toiled for the benefit of others and only knew what they were told. Religion has always been about controlling the masses, not about gods, about enriching the priestly class while ensuring the ruling class an endless supply of cheep labour and military might. It has been around so long that it seems to be hard wired into our DNA as it seems that many are having a hard time breaking free of its yoke.

Herald is a classic example of a person stuck in a slave mentality, forever bowing to the wishes of his imaginary master. What a disappointment it will be in the end to find that people like him have wasted their lives believing in gibberish.
 

herald

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Obviously, you do not know what it means to be born again...otherwise, you would have understanding. The lawless will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness) Matt 7:21-23.

The Apostle John wrote, "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him: but whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "statutes," "precepts," "testimonies.

God's Word is His law.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

Jesus said, "Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God...Marvel not that I said unto thee, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." John 3:3-7.

"But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers, only, deceiving yourselves." Ja 1:22.
 

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I know what it means to be born again. I have died (flat lined) at least twice and come back. While I was on the other side I had the opportunity to speak with, you might say, gawd. Anyway, it told me you religious fanatics have it all wrong. It is a very benevolent being who only loves us and that there is no punishment for being human. The point of life is to learn from our mistakes, to become better people and to love one another. Judging others because they don't believe the same stuff as we do is not loving behaviour and is not looked favourably upon by those who are important in such matters.

So, my advise to you, straight from the mouth of it who created you, is to lighten up, eh! You are a real downer. Gawd does not like downers.
 
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There can be no greater arrogance than claiming to know god's plans and presuming to speak for him. Look into any of the many atrocities perpetrated around the world these days and chances are you'll find scripture-quoting boneheads at the heart of them. These are people who are so absolutely certain they're absolutely right and have divine sanction for their views, that they consider it not only a right but a duty to interfere in and often destroy the lives of those who disagree with them. If I believed in such things I'd hope there's a special place in Hell for them.
 
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Herald trumpeted, "Obviously, you do not know what it means to be born again...otherwise, you would have understanding. The lawless will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world."

Goaaash, it's nice to be warm in the knowledge that Thumpers have discarded the notion of God as Love!
 

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Religion is a hoax. It's all a con designed to suck pennies from people, a con that takes advantage of peoples' need to be led, a con that uses subconscious guilt as tiller for the hand with the penny.

Spirituality doesn't need a box.
 

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Obviously, you do not know what it means to be born again...otherwise, you would have understanding. The lawless will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.
Bu||sh|t. I've never broken a law in my life except for speeding against highway signs. I've never broken a commandment except for the first 4 that pertain to honoring some non-existent sadistic, malevolent, insane, idiotic mass/serial killer.

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness) Matt 7:21-23.

The Apostle John wrote, "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him: but whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby we do know that we are in Him." 1 John 2:3-5.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "statutes," "precepts," "testimonies.

God's Word is His law.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

Jesus said, "Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God...Marvel not that I said unto thee, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN." John 3:3-7.

"But be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers, only, deceiving yourselves." Ja 1:22.
Is this more of your "discussion"?
 

L Gilbert

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I know what it means to be born again. I have died (flat lined) at least twice and come back. While I was on the other side I had the opportunity to speak with, you might say, gawd. Anyway, it told me you religious fanatics have it all wrong. It is a very benevolent being who only loves us and that there is no punishment for being human. The point of life is to learn from our mistakes, to become better people and to love one another. Judging others because they don't believe the same stuff as we do is not loving behaviour and is not looked favourably upon by those who are important in such matters.

So, my advise to you, straight from the mouth of it who created you, is to lighten up, eh! You are a real downer. Gawd does not like downers.
If your description is about some god, then it is definitely not all-powerful. Personally, I think what you are referring to is what you experienced while there was still some vestiges of electrochemical activity in your head; you were talking with your sub-conscious in a hallucination.
 

L Gilbert

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There can be no greater arrogance than claiming to know god's plans and presuming to speak for him. Look into any of the many atrocities perpetrated around the world these days and chances are you'll find scripture-quoting boneheads at the heart of them. These are people who are so absolutely certain they're absolutely right and have divine sanction for their views, that they consider it not only a right but a duty to interfere in and often destroy the lives of those who disagree with them. If I believed in such things I'd hope there's a special place in Hell for them.
Ditto that.
 

Cliffy

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If your description is about some god, then it is definitely not all-powerful. Personally, I think what you are referring to is what you experienced while there was still some vestiges of electrochemical activity in your head; you were talking with your sub-conscious in a hallucination.
Of course but if I said that to herald, he would not have understood that. When talking to a religious fanatic, one needs to use symbolism they can relate to. I know that I am my own god because I created me.
 

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Re: 'The Spirit of Grace'

No one here can handle, the handle for that bucket.

We try, we try, yet we can never measure up. Why?