The rings of Saturn and Jupiter are only a rainbow phenomenon

[eanassir]

Everybody but you, and you don't have enough knowledge of basic physics to have a legitimate opinion. As usual in your science threads, you're completely wrong and denying the evidence.

As in an Iraqi parable: "From you this is accepted ", Dexter; and I know you have to say this.

Anyhow, you cannot speak in deputy of all others.

Moreover, eventhough I am not a physicist, and your knowledge of physics is so rigid that cannot be moved into any new consideration; but I think such dissociation of light as the reason for the appearance of the rings of Saturn and some other planets is reasonable.

 

[JLM]

You cannot speak in deputy of all others.
Moreover, eventhough I am not a physicist, and your knowledge of physics is so rigid that cannot be moved into any new consideration; but I think such dissociation of light as the reason for the appearance of the rings of Saturn and some other planets is reasonable.

You obviously didn't read what Wikipedia had to say. Smart people know when to shut up. :smile:

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir

There is a ring of debris around Saturn composed of dust, pebbles, stones, and boulders of mostly water ice. Now, Saturn has
moons that are composed of similar matter. Is it not reasonable to assume that in the past, one or more of these ice moons collided with another or somehow slipped past their Roche limit and were torn apart by tidal forces and the leftover debris formed the rings?

Even so, such idea remains as a postulation and imagination. No one can say this for certain.

And even if it is true, and it is in fact true that there are a large number of meteorites and dust surrounding the planet Saturn, in addition to much water ice and vapor in its atmosphere. This will not change the outcome or disprove the idea that these rings are due to the dissociation of light; in fact it confirms it: because of the existence of the water in the atmosphere of this planet.

See about the origin of meteorites here:
Meteorites

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You obviously didn't read what Wikipedia had to say. Smart people know when to shut up. :smile:

I know that you are one of these smart people

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I'd like to take a moment of your time and introduce you to the tetrahedral structure of silicates...

Remember that refraction of light thing?

Petros, will this confirm the idea of the "dissociation of light" [in such silicate prisms, in addition to the water vapor and ice] as the reason for the appearance of these rings of Saturn and some other planets?

 

[#juan]

As in an Iraqi parable: "From you this is accepted ", Dexter; and I know you have to say this.

Anyhow, you cannot speak in deputy of all others.

Moreover, eventhough I am not a physicist, and your knowledge of physics is so rigid that cannot be moved into any new consideration; but I think such dissociation of light as the reason for the appearance of the rings of Saturn and some other planets is reasonable.

Yes but a more reasonable solution is obvious. We know for a fact that thousands of tons of ice chunks of all sizes are
orbiting Saturn exactly where we see the rings. Why do we need anything else?

 

[eanassir]

Need for what?

 

[petros]

"Dissociation of light"? Is light being anti social again?

If the rings are a big hadron then please explain the incomplete rings of Neptune.

 

[#juan]

Need for what?

Why do we need anything else to explain the existence of the rings when we know that millions of tons of ice are orbiting exactly where we see the rings?

"Dissociation of light"? Is light being anti social again?

If the rings are a big hadron then please explain the incomplete rings of Neptune.

Actually, the rings of Neptune are not incomplete. When seen "edge on", they seem to disappear to the Earthbound, but Hubble
sees complete rings.

 

[petros]

Hubble see them in visible light or RF or IR? Voyager barely saw the ring arcs in the visible spectrum.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think such dissociation of light as the reason for the appearance of the rings of Saturn and some other planets is reasonable.

The evidence doesn't sustain that interpretation. If the rings were due to refraction and reflection, which is what I presume you must mean by dissociation, they would look and behave very differently from what is observed. They clearly respond to the gravitational influences of nearby moons, for instance, and they cast shadows, which rainbows wouldn't do, and they'd be strongly affected by the angle between the sun, the observer, and Saturn, which they're not. You're just wrong, and you'll continue to be wrong, about this and much else, as long as you take the Quran and al Hilly's interpretation of it as your source of scientific information.

 

[eanassir]

Why do we need anything else to explain the existence of the rings when we know that millions of tons of ice are orbiting exactly where we see the rings?

The existence of ice here confirms the process of the light elements appearance; in addition the rings themselves appear colored; moreover, why does the surface of Saturn itself appear to the eye as colored stripes?

Actually, the rings of Neptune are not incomplete. When seen "edge on", they seem to disappear to the Earthbound, but Hubble
sees complete rings.

The phenomenon of the rings of Saturn is the same in the rings of Neptune; the difference is the rings of Saturn appear more clear and distinct because the position of Saturn in relation to the earth and the sun: this position is more proper in manifesting this appearance of the rings.

The evidence doesn't sustain that interpretation.

What evidence doesn't sustain?

If the rings were due to refraction and reflection, which is what I presume you must mean by dissociation, they would look and behave very differently from what is observed.

When the light passes throug a prism: it will be refracted and will change its direction: the waves of the light elements then separate into distinct colors from the ultraviolet above to the red below. This is the dissociation of light into its elements which I know and you know.

They clearly respond to the gravitational influences of nearby moons, for instance,
and they cast shadows, which rainbows wouldn't do

I don't know the explanation of such shadows yet, but I think it is a matter of visual illusion to make such rings appear in this way.

and they'd be strongly affected by the angle between the sun, the observer, and Saturn, which they're not.

You are wrong here: such rainbow needs some angle to be manifested.

You're just wrong, and you'll continue to be wrong, about this and much else, as long as you take the Quran and al Hilly's interpretation of it as your source of scientific information.

You are the wrong and you close your eyes to see the truth, and unfortunately you will admit it but may be too late.

 

[#juan]

Eanassir we've looked at the planet Saturn with decent telescopes for quite a few decades now. We have sent probes to take a
closer look with both cameras and radar. We've done spectroscopic analysis of Saturn's rings and found that they are mainly
water ice and and a bit of dust and no doubt, a few rocks. We know what the rings are made of. We even know the average
size of the debris that make up the rings. One of the Voyager probes flew right through the ring and unlike a rainbow, the ring
was still visible from the other side. There is no doubt that reflected light from ice and trace elements in the rings have some
influence on the colours we perceive but the rings of Saturn and the other gas giants are real and not some illusive mirage like a rainbow.

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir we've looked at the planet Saturn with decent telescopes for quite a few decades now. We have sent probes to take a
closer look with both cameras and radar. We've done spectroscopic analysis of Saturn's rings and found that they are mainly
water ice and and a bit of dust and no doubt, a few rocks. We know what the rings are made of. We even know the average
size of the debris that make up the rings. One of the Voyager probes flew right through the ring and unlike a rainbow, the ring
was still visible from the other side. There is no doubt that reflected light from ice and trace elements in the rings have some
influence on the colours we perceive but the rings of Saturn and the other gas giants are real and not some illusive mirage like a rainbow.

Why didn't the voyager probe crash inside the ring?
Why are the rings colored?
Why is there a graduation in the colors of the rings?

 

[mentalfloss]

Came into the thread thinking, 'oh cool'. Left thread disappointed that this is more eanissir propaganda.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why didn't the voyager probe crash inside the ring?
Why are the rings colored?
Why is there a graduation in the colors of the rings?

Read something besides the Quran.
Voyager 2 Gallery of Saturn's Ring System

 

[eanassir]

Came into the thread thinking, 'oh cool'. Left thread disappointed that this is more eanissir propaganda.

This looks like Gilb

Read something besides the Quran.
Voyager 2 Gallery of Saturn's Ring System

First of all, nothing about Saturn's rings is mentioned in the Quran; but I once heard the late interpreter say: The rings of Saturn are a rainbow.

Moreover, nothing in these views support your objection or disprove our opinion.

Eanassir we've looked at the planet Saturn with decent telescopes for quite a few decades now. We have sent probes to take a
closer look with both cameras and radar. We've done spectroscopic analysis of Saturn's rings and found that they are mainly
water ice and and a bit of dust and no doubt, a few rocks. We know what the rings are made of. We even know the average
size of the debris that make up the rings. One of the Voyager probes flew right through the ring and unlike a rainbow, the ring
was still visible from the other side. There is no doubt that reflected light from ice and trace elements in the rings have some
influence on the colours we perceive but the rings of Saturn and the other gas giants are real and not some illusive mirage like a rainbow.

I also add to the points in my reply # 32
Why has each ring its specific distinct color?
And why does the surface of the planet Saturn (and Jupiter) look colorly striped?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Moreover, nothing in these views support your objection or disprove our opinion.

Then you either didn't read anything there or you're just doing your usual trick of denying the evidence.

 

[#juan]

As Dexter said, Eanassir, "you either didn't read anything there or you're just doing your usual trick of denying the evidence.".

I would say that there are different shades of the same colour and more or less light being reflected. Hardly distinct rainbow colours.

The following is a photo showing the true colours of Saturn, as you would see them with the naked eye.

APOD: 2004 July 23 - Saturns Rings in Natural Color

If Voyager 2 crossed the ring where the particles were smallest and if the crossing was made in roughly the same direction
and speed as the ring material was moving, any "crash" would be quite minor.

 

[Larouge]

Wow, there is absolutely no chance that Saturn's ring are composed of rainbows. Check Cassini's reports if you need more evidence.

 

[Said1]

Well eanassir, all I have to say about Saturn is: It's about time it moves out of Libra and into Scorpio, worst two years of my life! Woot.

 

[darkbeaver]

sorry about the years said, the next ten will be perfect