The rings of Saturn and Jupiter are only a rainbow phenomenon

[eanassir]

Both the rings of Saturn and Jupiter are a rainbow phenomenon.
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When such planets come into some angle with the earth, the light will be dissociated into its elements to form the rainbow and we see some colored (to some extent) rings surrounding such planets.

This indicates such planets have a tremendous amount of water in their atmospheres and they bear life.

Then when the distance changes between Earth and such planets and the inclination changes also, there will be some bizzarre changes in these rings. And people will be puzzled why such bizzarre changes occur: while if they know it is only a rainbow, then everything will be clear.

Of course there are meteorites and sand in the atmosphere which will appear as if it is such particles are the rings while it is only a color dissociation because of the water and ice in the atmosphere of such planets.

Observations: Something slammed into the rings of Saturn and Jupiter

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why can't you see that the information in the Scientific American article you linked to shows that your claim is false?

 

[#juan]

Both the rings of Saturn and Jupiter are a rainbow phenomenon.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/science-environment/65981-astronomy-quran-5.html

When such planets come into some angle with the earth, the light will be dissociated into its elements to form the rainbow and we see some colored (to some extent) rings surrounding such planets.

This indicates such planets have a tremendous amount of water in their atmospheres and they bear life.

Then when the distance changes between Earth and such planets and the inclination changes also, there will be some bizzarre changes in these rings. And people will be puzzled why such bizzarre changes occur: while if they know it is only a rainbow, then everything will be clear.

Of course there are meteorites and sand in the atmosphere which will appear as if it is such particles are the rings while it is only a color dissociation because of the water and ice in the atmosphere of such planets.

Observations: Something slammed into the rings of Saturn and Jupiter

eanassir

Here is a link to a short course on what we know about the two planets you mention.

Jupiter and Saturn

 

[YukonJack]

#juan, are you trying to disturb the oh, so perfect world of eanassir with facts?

 

[eanassir]

When the sunrays reflect off the surface of Saturn (and Jupiter and some other planets) then pass through the atmosphere of that planet which is full of water vapor and snow, then the sun rays will dissociate into its components like the rainbow or like the hallow of the Moon which appears through the clouds in the sky of the Earth.

Another possibility is that the light reflected from the planet and passing through the water of the oceans on these planets will be dissociated in the same manner and gives the demonstration of these rings.

But such rings of the dissociated light components will appear faintly colored because of the distance faraway from the Earth.

When the light components become distinct and reflected in the atmosphere of that planet as it appears from the Earth, then such light components will be reflected into the dust and rocks surrounding that Saturn or other planets, and it will appear as if such rings are made of the dust and the rocks themselves. This is like the beam of light which passes through the dust of the room.

This of course does not agree with the facts of YukonJack ha ha ha

Why can't you see that the information in the Scientific American article you linked to shows that your claim is false?

Which claim is false?

eanassir

Here is a link to a short course on what we know about the two planets you mention.

Jupiter and Saturn

#juan, you have good knowledge about Astronomy, but don't take every thing they say as certain facts; most of that is non-reasonable and non-logical.

Such planets are relatively far and the knowledge they have is defective: this is obvious.

 

[#juan]

When the sunrays reflect off the surface of Saturn (and Jupiter and some other planets) then pass through the atmosphere of that planet which is full of water vapor and snow, then the sun rays will dissociate into its components like the rainbow or like the hallow of the Moon which appears through the clouds in the sky of the Earth.

Another possibility is that the light reflected from the planet and passing through the water of the oceans on these planets will be dissociated in the same manner and gives the demonstration of these rings.

But such rings of the dissociated light components will appear faintly colored because of the distance faraway from the Earth.

When the light components become distinct and reflected in the atmosphere of that planet as it appears from the Earth, then such light components will be reflected into the dust and rocks surrounding that Saturn or other planets, and it will appear as if such rings are made of the dust and the rocks themselves. This is like the beam of light which passes through the dust of the room.

This of course does not agree with the facts of YukonJack ha ha ha




Which claim is false?




#juan, you have good knowledge about Astronomy, but don't take every thing they say as certain facts; most of that is non-reasonable and non-logical.

Such planets are relatively far and the knowledge they have is defective: this is obvious.

From my earlier link:

• Rings occur when a large object gets too close to the planet and gets broken into pieces.
• Rings are made of tiny particles, gravel to boulder size.
• Jupiter has one single very thin small ring discovered by Voyager photos, made of dark rocks.
• Saturn's Rings are huge, formed almost entirely of golf ball to house-sized ice chunks.
• Cassini's Division, is a gap in the rings, visible in even a six-inch telescope.
• That gap is swept clear because it is at a distance with half the orbital period of the nearest large moon, Mimas

Here is a photo my son and I took with a three and a half inch telescope: Note that the Cassini's Division can be seen
all around the rings.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Which claim is false?

That the rings are rainbows.

 

[eanassir]

• Rings occur when a large object gets too close to the planet and gets broken into pieces.

• 
  
  This is only postulating which does not rely on any sound base other than imagination.
  
  

  [*]Rings are made of tiny particles, gravel to boulder size.

  
  Why then do they appear colored, if they are made gravels and boulders in addition to tiny particles?
  While in fact they are made of distinct dissociated light elements that extend across these particles and gravels
  
  

  Here is a photo my son and I took with a three and a half inch telescope: Note that the Cassini's Division can be seen
  all around the rings.A
  
  

  

  
  A nice picture by you and your son. Thank you
  
  But this will not change the subject.
  
  

  Which claim is false?]That the rings are rainbows.

  
  When the rainbow or the hallow of the Moon extends across the clouds in the Earth sky: it will appear as if such rings are made of the clouds themselves.
  
  In the same manner, the rings of Saturn appear as if they are made of particles and gravels; while in fact they a are light elements including the region in the atmosphere that is full of these particles and gravels.
  And each ring has its distinct color.
  
  It indicates that Saturn if full of abundant amount of water, which has been proved on some moons of this Saturn.

 

[#juan]

This is only postulating which does not rely on any sound base other than imagination.



Why then do they appear colored, if they are made gravels and boulders in addition to tiny particles?
While in fact they are made of distinct dissociated light elements that extend across these particles and gravavels
[*]Jupiter has one single very thin small ring discovered by Voyager photos, made of dark rocks.
[*]Saturn's Rings are huge, formed almost entirely of golf ball to house-sized ice chunks.
[*]Cassini's Division, is a gap in the rings, visible in even a six-inch telescope.
[*]That gap is swept clear because it is at a distance with half the orbital period of the nearest large moon, Mimas
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Here is a photo my son and I took with a three and a half inch telescope: Note that the Cassini's Division can be seen
all around the rings.A

A nice picture by you and your son. Thank you

But this will not change the subject.



When the rainbow or the hallow of the Moon extends across the clouds in the Earth sky: it will appear as if such rings are made of the clouds themselves.

In the same manner, the rings of Saturn appear as if they are made of particles and gravels; while in fact they a are light elements including the region in the atmosphere that is full of these particles and gravels.
And each ring has its distinct color.

It indicates that Saturn if full of abundant amount of water, which has been proved on some moons of this Saturn.[/QUOTE]

If the rings of Saturn were merely a light phenomenum they would not cast a shadow. The following link shows a very distinct
shadow.

Picture of the Day - The Shadows of Saturn's Rings | International Space Fellowship

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Not only do rainbows not cast shadows eanassir, if Saturn's rings were rainbows they'd disappear and reappear as the angle formed by the sun, the earth, and Saturn changes, as you'd know if you knew anything about refraction and reflection. The sun has to be behind you to see a rainbow in front of you. The rings have also been photographed up close by spacecraft and seen to have density waves, scalloped edges, similar visibility at all angles, and other features possible only if they're made of solid particles. Your relentless and deliberate ignorance in the face of the evidence is appalling.

 

[Tonington]

Eanassir, have you ever seen a rainbow? What happens if you make a large change in viewing position?

Follow from that, and how is it possible that there is an intact rainbow formed around planets that remains in a fixed position regardless of the changes in viewing position and the changing location of the planets?

Refraction doesn't work that way, and you have no rainbow without refraction...

 

[eanassir]

I tell you, Juan, Dexter and Tonnington: that the more reasonable explanation of such rings of Saturn is that they are the dissociation of the light into its elements as does it occur in the rainbow and the hallow of the Moon.

And because the atmosphere of Saturn where this phenomenon appears: the atmosphere and its surrounding space is not vacant of any objects, but it is full of rocks and dust: therefore it will appear as if the rings are solid and distinct identity while in fact they are the colors of the light passing across these rocks and particles.

The indication is that there are many colors of these rings: each ring has its own color homogenous which is the faint color of one of the rainbow colors, but it is faint because of being indirect reflection or refraction through the water or ice medium.

While this shadow; I don't know its explanation at this time.

And why the surface of the planet appear striped and with many colors.

Another indication of the "dissociation of the light" is the rings themselves are not distinct all the time; sometimes they are distinct and at other times they are not; this proves the angle of inclination of this planet with the earth is different giving some degrees of manifestation of this phenomenon at some times more than at others.

What do you say?

To me I see it more reasonable the abundance of water in the planets of such planets having such rings; and God is the All-Knowing.

Another hint is that some other planets like Jupiter and ?Neptun acquire such criteria of such rings but to a lesser extent; which also indicates that these planets have much water.

 

[JLM]

Both the rings of Saturn and Jupiter are a rainbow phenomenon.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/science-environment/65981-astronomy-quran-5.html

When such planets come into some angle with the earth, the light will be dissociated into its elements to form the rainbow and we see some colored (to some extent) rings surrounding such planets.

This indicates such planets have a tremendous amount of water in their atmospheres and they bear life.

Then when the distance changes between Earth and such planets and the inclination changes also, there will be some bizzarre changes in these rings. And people will be puzzled why such bizzarre changes occur: while if they know it is only a rainbow, then everything will be clear.

Of course there are meteorites and sand in the atmosphere which will appear as if it is such particles are the rings while it is only a color dissociation because of the water and ice in the atmosphere of such planets.

Observations: Something slammed into the rings of Saturn and Jupiter

According to Wikipedia -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn, as far as Saturn goes that is bullsh*t. :smile:

Eanassir, have you ever seen a rainbow? What happens if you make a large change in viewing position?

Follow from that, and how is it possible that there is an intact rainbow formed around planets that remains in a fixed position regardless of the changes in viewing position and the changing location of the planets?

Refraction doesn't work that way, and you have no rainbow without refraction...

This guy has been reading too much "Alice in Wonderland"

 

[eanassir]

]If the rings of Saturn were merely a light phenomenum they would not cast a shadow. The following link shows a very distinct
shadow.

Picture of the Day - The Shadows of Saturn's Rings | International Space Fellowship

Why does the surface of Saturn appear striped with colors in the same Picture of the Day? And even in [your and your son's] picture?

Not only do rainbows not cast shadows eanassir, if Saturn's rings were rainbows they'd disappear and reappear as the angle formed by the sun, the earth, and Saturn changes, as you'd know if you knew anything about refraction and reflection. The sun has to be behind you to see a rainbow in front of you. The rings have also been photographed up close by spacecraft and seen to have density waves, scalloped edges, similar visibility at all angles, and other features possible only if they're made of solid particles. Your relentless and deliberate ignorance in the face of the evidence is appalling.

In fact the Saturn rings appear and reappear every now and then (along some considrable time intervals); and the rings can be photographed by spacecrafts as are they seen by the eyes of astronomers.
No they are not made of solid particles, but the solid particles are situated in the space of manifesting such rings.
To indicate this see are there other particles in the surrounding spaces of these rings?

Eanassir, have you ever seen a rainbow? What happens if you make a large change in viewing position?

Follow from that, and how is it possible that there is an intact rainbow formed around planets that remains in a fixed position regardless of the changes in viewing position and the changing location of the planets?

Refraction doesn't work that way, and you have no rainbow without refraction...

Rainbows on Earth change so quickly because the sun rays change their position so quickly leading to the disappearance of this rainbow, while because of the far distance between us and Saturn such changes will not be that quick change.

This guy has been reading too much "Alice in Wonderland"

JLM keep up to your Wonderland :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

In fact the Saturn rings appear and reappear every now and then...

That's simply because Saturn's rotation axis is tilted away from the vertical to the ecliptic, just as Earth's is. With the changing angles of view we get, sometimes the rings are presented edge on and become very hard to see. It's entirely predictable and has nothing to do with the refraction and reflection effects that create rainbows.

 

[#juan]

In fact the Saturn rings appear and reappear every now and then (along some considrable time intervals); and the rings can be photographed by spacecrafts as are they seen by the eyes of astronomers.
No they are not made of solid particles, but the solid particles are situated in the space of manifesting such rings.

As someone who has observed Saturn at almost every opportunity over the last thirty years, I can tell you for a fact that the
rings do not disappear. The planet removes itself from our sight while it is on the other side of the sun, but the rings are always there.

While scientists are not sure exactly how the rings were formed, they sure as hell know what the rings are made of. One explanation
might be that the rings are left over debris from a collision of larger, icy, moons. There are many possibilities but rainbows is not
one of them.

 

[petros]

Why then do they appear colored, if they are made gravels and boulders in addition to tiny particles?
While in fact they are made of distinct dissociated light elements that extend across these particles and gravels

I'd like to take a moment of your time and introduce you to the tetrahedral structure of silicates...

Remember that refraction of light thing?

 

[eanassir]

That's simply because Saturn's rotation axis is tilted away from the vertical to the ecliptic, just as Earth's is. With the changing angles of view we get, sometimes the rings are presented edge on and become very hard to see. It's entirely predictable and has nothing to do with the refraction and reflection effects that create rainbows.

All this is true except that it "has nothing to do with the refraction and reflection effects that create rainbows".

Yes, the rings change; but who said such changes are not due to the light dissociating into its elements?

While scientists are not sure exactly how the rings were formed, they sure as hell know what the rings are made of.
One explanation might be that the rings are left over debris from a collision of larger, icy, moons.

There are many possibilities
but rainbows is not one of them.

So they are wrong here; and while they are not sure; why are you so sure?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

.. but who said such changes are not due to the light dissociating into its elements?

Everybody but you, and you don't have enough knowledge of basic physics to have a legitimate opinion. As usual in your science threads, you're completely wrong and denying the evidence.

 

[#juan]

All this is true except that it "has nothing to do with the refraction and reflection effects that create rainbows".

Yes, the rings change; but who said such changes are not due to the light dissociating into its elements?




So they are wrong here; and while they are not sure; why are you so sure?

Eanassir

There is a ring of debris around Saturn composed of dust, pebbles, stones, and boulders of mostly water ice. Now, Saturn has
moons that are composed of similar matter. Is it not reasonable to assume that in the past, one or more of these ice moons collided with another or somehow slipped past their Roche limit and were torn apart by tidal forces and the leftover debris formed the rings?