Double-talk my friend. In your "world" collections of atoms are manipulated by an "unseen hand"....cells and oraganic compounds are "moved" by the unseen "mover"..... Turning the question around isn't proof of anything my friend. You made the statement that you and I were placed here.... Back it up!
THE RAPTURE, COULD BE COMING AROUND JUNE 25th
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Let reality define who you are...>>>MickyDB
Thank you for your time and input!
But you are absolutely right in your quote above, the reality is that I am who I am!
I am of God!
Peace>>>AJ
Thank you for your time and input!
But you are absolutely right in your quote above, the reality is that I am who I am!
I am of God!
Peace>>>AJ
You don't seem to see in your own words the God of your life: "unseen hands" and "moved" by the "unseen mover".
The spirit of Good in you is stirred up to reveal in words the God that exists, though you don't want to recognize it.
Peace>>>AJ
The OP was placed here by design, not that the person believed it would happen, but that many would jump to defy the statement.
I knew it right off the bat and said so in an earlier post. As a matter of fact I admonished them for doing so.
Peace>>>AJ
I was being kind AJ....using terms you'd recognize. Do you really believe that everyone is as self-centered as you? Do you honestly believe that when you look into the night sky that this was all"created" for you?
Megalomania: A psychological state characterized by delusions of grandeur.
How did the universe get by without AJ...! How has mankind managed to survive millions of years without knowing the "truth" that AJ has to impart to the world!
I would hate to live your life of unbridled free-floating fear. Cling to that fantasy you've woven for yourself....
In another few million years I'm sure everyone will remember how "elightened" you are....
Megalomania: A psychological state characterized by delusions of grandeur.
How did the universe get by without AJ...! How has mankind managed to survive millions of years without knowing the "truth" that AJ has to impart to the world!
I would hate to live your life of unbridled free-floating fear. Cling to that fantasy you've woven for yourself....
In another few million years I'm sure everyone will remember how "elightened" you are....
Tim, my crippled chicken thinks I'm god, we read this thread everyday for inspirational humour.
Thanks for the kindness rendered.
I am here as you are here, and we both have to deal with the issues at hand.
After you and I are gone, then it belongs to someone else.
As for now, I am an issue to folks who would poke fun, make jokes of my God as if the universe where wrapped around them; using some of your words.
And yes, life goes on, for you and I will be forgotten, but for now, we make the best of it, whether we be kind or evil one towards the other.
Peace>>>AJ
But why is this universe only about us ?
I thought we found out we are not the center of the solar system, nor of the Milky Way galaxy, nor even of this universe.
I thought we found out we're out on a far limb of it all.
I thought we found out we are not the center of the solar system, nor of the Milky Way galaxy, nor even of this universe.
I thought we found out we're out on a far limb of it all.
May you be blessed this day and everyday as you read this thread!
For here you will witness the kindness and unkindness of both believers and unbelievers, the sensitivities and insensitivity.
So, of which shall we be?
Peace>>>AJ
Jimmoyer
It's the Elvis syndrome Jim.... Everything is about "me"..... My god made me in his own image...(good thing he was roguishly handsome...) My god created this universe to test me.....
You could keep AJ in a jar and throw in a religious pamphlet now and then..and as long as AJ believed his "god" put him in that jar....well everything's just swell! AJ has no need or desire to question his frameworks of belief... they work for him. And obviously the most important person next to god in AJ's life is...AJ!
It's the Elvis syndrome Jim.... Everything is about "me"..... My god made me in his own image...(good thing he was roguishly handsome...) My god created this universe to test me.....
You could keep AJ in a jar and throw in a religious pamphlet now and then..and as long as AJ believed his "god" put him in that jar....well everything's just swell! AJ has no need or desire to question his frameworks of belief... they work for him. And obviously the most important person next to god in AJ's life is...AJ!
About us? If you didn't exist you wouldn't have a world to even consider.
But since you are alive an well, my hope is, that now you can concentrate on what you can contribute to it, as this world is the only one you know because you exist in no other.
Peace>>>AJ
Yet a cartoon of Mohammad with a bomb on his head is ok for most in Western Society and people claim it's just freedom of speech..... but when the shoe is on the other foot and people start making fun of the Christian God, it's not such a good idea anymore?
See how it starts?
I'm still personally waiting to see some of God's actions. He wasn't around when I believed in him, he's still not around as I don't believe him.... and all the actions I see in this world are all done by humans claiming to be acting on behalf of God.
All there is to follow are the interpretations by other humans on what God wants and doesn't want us to do. The rise and fall of Mankind can be directly linked to our own actions and our surrounding environments..... not God.
We're still alive now. And if left alone, we'd destroy ourselves, and if we're in the image of God, then wouldn't he destroy himself as well, or does he have a higher power looking out for him? And if that is the case, shouldn't we be following that entity?
Tell that to the Crusaders. Tell that to the Catholic Priests who've molested and raped countless children over god know how long. Tell that to those christian cults and sects who feel it's perfectly fine to marry teenagers and siblings and have children with them.
Religions are the root of the majority of our wars today, and it's religions constantly trying to claim they're the right way to live over another that causes oppression, divisions between people, religious killings, beatings..... basically if you don't follow our religion, you're the devil and people treat you as such by stonning you to death, or cutting your head off...... Christianity isn't any far better then any other religion, and Christianity has just as bloody hands as any other. The Christian Religion isn't innocent.
It's those beliefs in which causes people to not be able to live with one another. It's the forever "I'm Right and your Wrong.... Goto Hell" attitudes that cause the crap we live in each day.
The moment we all just decide to believe what we want to believe and stop shoving our beliefs down each other's throats, you just might see a reduction in the amount of suffering in this world.
Fair enough, but hey.... if you can't make fun of everything, you can't make fun of anything. I'm sure God's got some pretty decent tollerance and a sense of humor. If he doesn't, then I guess our sense of humor is a flaw in our design.
Jeez Mickey, all the love I'm getting.
No, the most important to me is God next to me!
I have questioned my existence, looked into other religious beliefs as well and studies in the various occults in order to find the common thread that binds all of us together.
And I have found it, that is why I now believe as I do. I don't ridicule, make fun of, attack personal character or belittle any body's beliefs.
Peace>>>AJ
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I would also like to say that Religions and trying to follow the rules of any God, is much like being a pet dog or cat following the rules of their owner.
Being a pet might be great.... living with a home over your head, food, water, loving owners etc..... but when you think about their overall natural life, they're living isolated, stuck inside a house or in a yard with no freedoms or ability to properly experience their lives besides what was already pre-determined by their owners. One would think they'd live a more happier and longer life.......
..... but how is that really living when you think about it? Living by a set of rules and way of life that some owner, in which you never see or experience, let alone get any love or affection from, limiting your experiences in life to suit someone else's objectives whom you'll never see or meet unless you're lucky enough for them to exist when you die?
Would you rather be a chimp in the jungle, living by your own rules, dealing with the problems that come your way as you see fit, being truly alive, or would you rather live in a restrictive zoo, living day in and day out with no worries whatsoever, just wasting away, waiting to die with no challenges to your life whatsoever?
A wise man once said "I'd rather live a day as a lion then a thousand as a lamb."
God hasn't shown his ass up anywhere in my entire life to guide, advise or help in anyway. I, much like many others on this planet have had to deal, think and act on our own, based on experiences and education we collected over the years from friends, family/parents and other......
I have been living on my own with my own understanding on how to survive on this planet without the help of a God, I sure as hell don't need or want him now. I accept the consequences of my actions I make, and I am willing to make mistakes in order to learn from them..... that is how I continue my life process.... grow and learn.
I will continue to grow and learn until I die, and I will not allow some religion or God to restrict my growth or level of understanding because someone thinks something is "Immoral" or "A Sin."
I determine what is immoral or a sin for my own life, it is not for others to determine for me based on their attachments to the unknown that they put blind faith into.
We humans are just like the rest of the animals on this planet. We all have our own communities, our own struggles in our communities, we have other communities of our species attacking one another for resources and land much like many other animals on this planet..... we are simply on our own on this planet.... able to make all the mistakes and achievements our species can make.
All religions, science and mythologies have done for humanity is setup rules and structure for the masses to follow in order to keep relative order out of fear of what might happen beyond our control..... which can be a good thing, but left unchecked as it has in the past, can cause just as much harm as it could doing good.
I would also like to say that Religions and trying to follow the rules of any God, is much like being a pet dog or cat following the rules of their owner.
Being a pet might be great.... living with a home over your head, food, water, loving owners etc..... but when you think about their overall natural life, they're living isolated, stuck inside a house or in a yard with no freedoms or ability to properly experience their lives besides what was already pre-determined by their owners. One would think they'd live a more happier and longer life.......
..... but how is that really living when you think about it? Living by a set of rules and way of life that some owner, in which you never see or experience, let alone get any love or affection from, limiting your experiences in life to suit someone else's objectives whom you'll never see or meet unless you're lucky enough for them to exist when you die?
Would you rather be a chimp in the jungle, living by your own rules, dealing with the problems that come your way as you see fit, being truly alive, or would you rather live in a restrictive zoo, living day in and day out with no worries whatsoever, just wasting away, waiting to die with no challenges to your life whatsoever?
A wise man once said "I'd rather live a day as a lion then a thousand as a lamb."
God hasn't shown his ass up anywhere in my entire life to guide, advise or help in anyway. I, much like many others on this planet have had to deal, think and act on our own, based on experiences and education we collected over the years from friends, family/parents and other......
I have been living on my own with my own understanding on how to survive on this planet without the help of a God, I sure as hell don't need or want him now. I accept the consequences of my actions I make, and I am willing to make mistakes in order to learn from them..... that is how I continue my life process.... grow and learn.
I will continue to grow and learn until I die, and I will not allow some religion or God to restrict my growth or level of understanding because someone thinks something is "Immoral" or "A Sin."
I determine what is immoral or a sin for my own life, it is not for others to determine for me based on their attachments to the unknown that they put blind faith into.
We humans are just like the rest of the animals on this planet. We all have our own communities, our own struggles in our communities, we have other communities of our species attacking one another for resources and land much like many other animals on this planet..... we are simply on our own on this planet.... able to make all the mistakes and achievements our species can make.
All religions, science and mythologies have done for humanity is setup rules and structure for the masses to follow in order to keep relative order out of fear of what might happen beyond our control..... which can be a good thing, but left unchecked as it has in the past, can cause just as much harm as it could doing good.
Making fun of anything is in the eye of the beholder. We may choose to be responsible with our words, thoughts and actions.
I have no control over what people may choose to say.
Are you free to choose what you will?
The biggest action God has done is giving you the ability to choose! After that, rewards and consequences follow accordingly.
You couldn’t have said it more correct!
It’s a matter of choice!
Look, I don’t blame you for the feelings you have concerning all those things you mentioned, for I too am not happy with them.
But, mankind knows that there is a spiritual element in them that causes conflict between what is good and what is not, yet for reasons of greed, desire and lusts, they given into them and which gives God a bad rap.
Again I agree with you. But that’s not to say that God is non existent?
There was no need to respond to such OP statements if you didn’t want to, but you did.
So, does that mean you want to declare what you believe verses what the OP contributor said as a better view?
If that’s the case, I don’t see where either one is at fault.
Peace>>>AJ
I can understand your complaint very well.
But behind all that, the reason you feel the way you do is because the choice you have has been granted free of charge.
Yet, within you lies a moral campus that whether you realize it or not, guides your decision making.
I choose to identify who, what that moral compass is and choose to live by its guidelines for the good.
I can not judge God by what evil mankind had done, but only by what good mankind has done.
Peace>>>AJ
My Moral compass was designed around what I was taught through my parents, family, friends and experiences through my life.
My understanding of right and wrong doesn't come from a paticular spiritual entity, for me, it comes from "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you." ~ Whether or not that came from any relgion or not, it is a universal understanding for any human that can read english or the translation of it.
You and I know what hurts, both emotionally and physically, and if we do not like those things happening to us, then the logical course of action is not to do those things to other people, regardless of how much we might hate or differ from them.
As in my animal example, animals also have this moral compass, although not as easy to measure. There are many creatures on this planet which live perfectly fine in their own communities, with their own leaderships and ways of living. If they had no understanding of rules and how to opperate in a pack/clan/tribe/school/etc. then they very well would probably be killing one another to gain a foothold, they might eat out all their resources, they would have no order, and thus, they would not be in packs or families..... they would be isolated from one another in order to survive.
We are not much different in this aspect of life. We have our own sets of laws and rules in each of our societies. Those who break them are punished or taken out of the public so the rest of the public can remain safe. If we did nothing to those who broke the laws/rules that our societies built, then nobody would feel safe or secure in those societies, and thus, they would begin to isolate themselves away from those dangers.
I imagine you, like myself, have seen many examples of people who claimed they were acting on their religious beliefs or that "God told them to do it" where they harmed or killed another person based on their interpretations of what God wants..... while on the other hand, there are people who don't believe in any religion or God, who can treat others with the greatest respect and kindness.
And on the flip side, you can still have religious people do really great things, but someone who doesn't believe in something might do harm or kill.
Religions in my view, I can admit, they can do some good.... but an individual's ability to do good or bad isn't bound to a religion..... if that was the case, then there wouldn't have been any Holy Crusades, there wouldn't be any Jihads, there wouldn't have been Witch Persecutions, the fighting between Catholics/Prodistans in Ireland might not have ever gotten as bad as it did..... Israel...... Palestine.... etc.
Sure perhaps all those people might end up going to hell in the end for being evil and bad for each reason they acted violently towards their fellow man, but that doesn't solve the problems the living still have to go through.
Once again, I may sound like I'm attacking your faith, but I have no issue on what other's believe in, I can only explain my own point of view. As mentioned before "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you" ~ And I'm not about to attempt to force my beliefs on you, just as I would expect you not to do the same...... but sharing one another's point of view never hurt.
I am only trying to express my first hand experiences on the matter, and through my history of being a Roman Catholic, the faith only raised more and more questions without ever answering any I found important. Eventually I decided to seek my own answers by collectively merging all the faiths, concepts and scientific explinations into one large overall understanding and go from there.
They all claim to hold the truths, and to a degree, they all do..... but each also holds onto some false information, science included. The divisions between each belief and their claims of "Being the only truth" have devided each faith from one another so much, that nobody is willing to take their common beliefs and put the pieces together to get the bigger picture of why we exist and why we are here.