The Quran interpreter complements the story of your twelve fathers

Murphy

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I said the thick hair part about the women and the men. Please be accurate.

You are typical of people that think they know everything - including things they have never seen or experienced first hand. They choose to comment anyway. When they are caught with their foot in their mouth, they don't shut up. They just keep flapping their gums.

Your turn. At least it keeps selfsame quiet.
 

Murphy

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Christian murderers , we,ve done alright so far. The babe in that manger got brass balls.

I can't help thinking about the twilight of the Christian era.

Well, you may think about the twilight of the Christian era, but you will not witness it. You and I will be dead long before it gets here. Assuming it happens, it will be the result of a huge conflict. A lot of people are going to die.

It might be Mother Nature's way of reducing our numbers. Plagues and disease don't work like they used to.

I hope the US learns from the debacle in Europe.
 

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So if you are truly the sons of your fathers, tell us why Joseph returned the property of his ten brothers when they first came to Egypt, and he gave them the supply for their families, but he returned their property in their sacs?

Ummm, my father's name wasn't Joseph. And he only had one brother. And he never lived in Egypt. He served in Palestine for a while though, does that count?
 

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Joseph - salam to him - in prison:

{ 35. Then they [: Zulaykha, her husband and the judge a] had another opinion [that is] to imprison him for a time [of three years b], even after they had seen the signs [of his truthfulness and innocence.]

36. And there entered the prison with him two youths [: the cupbearer of the king, and his baker.]
Said one of them [: the cupbearer]: "I dreamed that I was pressing [grapes as for] wine."
Said the other [: the baker]: "I dreamed that I was carrying on my head bread which the birds were eating of.
Tell us its interpretation; we see that you [Joseph] are of those good [at interpretation.]"


37. [Joseph] said c: "There will not come to you any food that you are provided with [in the dream], but I shall tell you its interpretation [in the wakefulness], before its [occurrence in reality] reaches you. d
e Such [knowledge of the interpretation] is some of that my Lord has acquainted me with.
f I have forsaken the religion of a folk [who are associaters: worshipping the idols with God, and ]who believe not in God [alone g] and [moreover] of the Next Life they are deniers. h "

38. "And I have followed the religion of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; we ought not to associate anything with God i; that is [some] of God's bounty to us and to people j, but most of people give no thanks [about God’s bounties to them.]"k

39. "O my two companions in prison, which is better: many differing lords [of stone, silver and copper which neither harm nor profit, or is God: the One, the Omnipotent l?"

40. "You worship none, apart from [God], other than mere names which you and your fathers have named, concerning which God has not revealed any authority m.
The decision [about the worship] is up to God [alone]
n. He has commanded [in the heavenly books] that you should worship none other than He [alone].
That o is the religion of [Prophet Jacob] the guardian [on his sons and his people], but most of people do not know [the truth.]"

41. "O my two companions in prison, as for one of you, he shall pour wine for his lord p; as for the other, he shall be crucified, and birds will eat [of the flesh] of his head.
The matter [of the vision] is decided whereon you enquire."

42. And [Joseph] said to the one [: the cupbearer] of the two [prisoners] whom he thought should be saved: "Mention me to your lord q."
So Satan caused him to forget his Lord
r; therefore he lingered in prison for few years s.}
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35 a After discussion and consultation.

35 b They wanted by imprisoning him to delude people that he was the guilty, not Zulaykha; so they imprisoned him.

The story [of interpreting the dreams of the two prison inmates]
The cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt offended their master, the king of Egypt. So he ordered to put them in prison, and they were imprisoned together with Joseph.

The cup-bearer saw a dream, and he told Joseph about it; he said: "In my dream I saw a vine in front of me, and on the vine were three branches. As soon as it budded, it blossomed, and its clusters ripened into grapes. The cup of the king was in my hand, and I took the grapes, squeezed them into the king’s cup and put the cup in his hand."
Joseph said to him. "The three branches are three days.
Within three days you will get out of prison, restore your position, and you will put the king's cup in his hand, just as you used to do when you were his cupbearer.

But when all goes well with you, remember me and show me kindness; mention me to the king and get me out of this prison. For I was forcibly carried off from the land of the Hebrews, and even here I have done nothing to deserve this."

And the chief of bakers said, "I too had a dream: On my head were three baskets. In the top basket were bread, but the birds were eating them out of the basket on my head."
"This is what it means," Joseph said. "The three baskets are three days. After three days the king will crucify you on a tree. And the birds will eat away your flesh."

Now the third day was the birthday of the king, and he gave a feast for all his officials. He restored the cupbearer to his position, so that he once again put the cup into the king's hand, but he crucified the chief of bakers on a tree, just as Joseph had said to them in his interpretation.

The chief cupbearer, however, did not remember Joseph; he forgot him.


37 c When he interpreted their dreams.

37 d So they said to him: How do you know that, while you are not any priest?

37 e Therefore he said to them:

37 f They said to him: Which of these idols is your Lord; so guide us to him, in order that he may acquaint us about the interpretation of the dream, as has he taught you?
So he said: (I have forsaken the religion of a folk who believe not in God [alone.])

37 g But they associate with Him.

37 h i.e. they deny the sending of souls to the Next Life and the Judgment.

38 i Therefore, we do not worship idols and statues.

38 j Who devote themselves to God alone.

38 k So this was his answer to their question: “Who is your Lord?” Therefore, he said to them: I don’t worship any idol, neither did my fathers worship the idols, but we worship God the Lord of the heavens and the earth. It is He Who taught me about the interpretation of dreams. Then if you want to be like myself, then worship God alone and refrain from worshipping the idols, and He will give you all that you want.
Then he said to them:

39 l Who revives and kills, and by Whose hand is everything?

40 m It means: The idols which you worship and to which you give names; such names are devoid of meaning, and are not true; moreover, God did not reveal any commandment in any heavenly book to worship the idols.

40 n It means: It is not allowed that anybody may worship anyone according to his own desire, but it should only be according to God’s commands in the heavenly books.

40 o i.e. That which I have explained to you, concerning the worshipping of God alone and forsaking the worship of idols …

41 p i.e. his master; i.e. the king.

42 q Tell the king about me, in order that he may liberate me from the prison, because I am innocent, not guilty.

42 r It means: Satan made Joseph forget to mention God and pray Him to liberate him from the prison, so he asked the cupbearer to mention him before the king.

42 s As a punishment for that word; i.e. Joseph stayed in the prison three years, because he stayed one year before he interpreted the dream of the cupbearer, and when the cupbearer went out of the prison, he forgot to mention Joseph to the king, until the king saw his dream of the seven cows, so the period was two years, so the total was three years.

By the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly

Google search: quran-ayat Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly the quran interpretation-pdf

http://quran-ayat.com/interpretation.pdf
 
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selfsame. King of cut and paste. Has no clue what he's posting, but figures the more space he uses, the smarter he looks. Is looking for attention. Probably lives alone.

These words are my interpretation, not the words of another.
 

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Therefore, Prophet Joseph son of Jacob started to invite people to God alone, at any opportunity and at any circumstances; so that he invited the prisoners who were imprisoned with him.

This of course falsifies the claim of Zionists that Yahweh is their God exclusive of other people, while God is the same as Yahweh the same as Allah and He is the Creator and Lord of all nations.

This also indicates that the contemporary Zionists are not related to Joseph, but related to Satan and to their traditions rather than to God's commandments.
 

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Therefore, Prophet Joseph son of Jacob started to invite people to God alone, at any opportunity and at any circumstances; so that he invited the prisoners who were imprisoned with him.

This of course falsifies the claim of Zionists that Yahweh is their God exclusive of other people, while God is the same as Yahweh the same as Allah and He is the Creator and Lord of all nations.

This also indicates that the contemporary Zionists are not related to Joseph, but related to Satan and to their traditions rather than to God's commandments.
You know nothink selfsap.
 

Murphy

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What is the difference between JWs at your door and selfsame? The JWs are only annoying for a few minutes.

This, as interpreted by Meg Tilly.
 

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[The dream of the King of Egypt]

43. Then said the king: "I saw [in dream] seven fat [cows], which other [seven] emaciated [cows] devoured a,
and [I saw also in dream] seven ‘fresh and full’ ears [of wheat] and other [seven] ears ‘empty and withered’ b.
My counselors, interpret – for me – my vision, if you interpret dreams [well.]

44. They said: "[Such dreams are due to] jumbled thoughts! c
Moreover, We know nothing of the interpretation of dreams."d

45. And [the cupbearer:] the one of the two [prisoners e] who was saved [of the killing], and [now] at length remembered [the recommendation of Joseph] after a group [of priests had failed to interpret the dream]; he said: "I may inform you of its interpretation; so let me go [to Joseph in his prison f.]"

46. "Joseph, O truthful [man!] Tell us the interpretation [of a dream] about seven fat cows devoured by seven emaciated [cows]; and seven ‘full and fresh’ ears [of wheat] and others ‘empty and withered’, so that I may return to the men g that they may know [your value and knowledge]."

47. [Joseph] said: "For seven [consecutive] years shall you sow as usual; whatever [crops] you shall harvest, leave in the ear h, excepting a little i of it, which you shall eat."

48. "Then seven hard years j will come, afterwards, to consume k all [the food] that you will have prepared for them, save a little of that which you will preserve."

49. "Then a [good fertile] year [with much rain] will come afterwards, in which people will have [much] rain l and will press [the juice of the abundant fruit m.]”
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43 a And the fat cows entered and completely disappeared into the gut of the emaciated cows.

43 b So the ‘empty and withered’ twisted around the ‘full and fresh’, and swallowed them.

44 c It means: The dream is due to thoughts which man thinks about by day, and by night he will see them in his dream.

44 d At that time, the cupbearer remembered the words of Joseph, so he told the king about him.

45 e Who were with Joseph in prison and told him about their dreams.

45 f It means: send me to Joseph to tell him about the dream and then bring the answer to you. So the king permitted him to go to Joseph. And when the cupbearer came to him, he said:

46 g i.e. the king and his companions: the priests, whom he gathered to interpret the dream.

47 h And don’t thresh it, lest the insect may destroy it.

47 i Which you may thresh, winnow and eat.

48 j i.e. seven years of drought, when there will be no plant to grow, neither will rain come down during them, so people will suffer from starvation.

48 k It means: people will eat the [food] that you will keep in stores.

49 l i.e. in that year, the rain will fall down on them.

49 m Which are the pomegranate, the orange, the lemon, the grape, the olive and others.

Interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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So if we study these ayat about the dream of the king of Egypt, we see:

1- The words used are not exactly the same words, and the expression is somewhat different; so if Mohammed himself wrote the Quran according to the Torah (in spite of being illiterate and did not know the reading and writing of Arabic even), then the words and expressions would come in the same way exactly like the Torah.

2- The Torah has not been translated to other languages and to Arabic, but only in later centuries; and at the time of Prophet Mohammed, the Torah had not been translated.

3- There are differences between the Torah and the Quran, e.g. in the Torah, nothing is mentioned about leaving the wheat and other crops in their ears .. so that no insect may destroy it, like the crops taken out of the ears.

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54. The king said: "Bring him a to me! I would choose him exclusively as my [assistant. b]" And when [Joseph came and] he talked with him, the [king c] said: "Today, you will have with us a prominent position, and [you are] trustworthy. d "

55. [Joseph] said "Make me guardian on the storehouses e of [the product of] the land; for I am experienced about keeping [of grains], and I know very well [about their storing and protection from insects.]" f

56. g Thus did We give to Joseph authority h in the land [of Egypt], to dispose therein as he liked.
We bestow Our mercy on whom We please i, and We leave not to waste the reward of those that are kind [to the poor and needy.]

57. And the reward of the Next Life is better [than that of the World] for those who believe j and were used to ward off [God's punishment k.]
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54 a i.e. Joseph.

54 b i.e. to assist me in managing the kingdom, and that I may consult him in all affairs, for he is so wise and trustworthy, and will not betray.

54 c That king was not one of the Pharaohs, but was one of the Hyksos, who ruled Egypt at that time.

54 d i.e. you are before us, established and trustworthy; so dispose in the kingdom however you like.

55 e i.e. Make me the keeper of the stores of the wheat and other cereals.

55 f So he appointed him prime minister, and put his signet ring on Joseph's finger, and a gold chain around his neck. He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command, and men shouted before him, "Make way!"
Afterwards, he gave him Asenath daughter of Potiphera, priest of On, to be his wife. And before the year of famine came, two sons were born to Joseph by her; he named his firstborn Manasseh, and the second son he named Ephraim.

56 g i.e. as did We bestow on Joseph Our favor by releasing him from prison, thus …

56 h So that he became prime minister and in deputy of the king.

56 i i.e. the one who is worthy of Our mercy; it means: We touch with Our mercy the one who does good acts to people.

57 j In God alone, and do not associate anything with Him.

57 k By complying with His commands and avoiding His disobedience.
 
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DaSleeper

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That selfshame is worst than a Jehovah witness.....
Slam the door in their face and they keep coming back..
Mooslims are renowned for their self flagellation...

 

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Our Comment:
It seems that the king was one of the Hyksos and was righteous, and he might have believed in Joseph's calling to God alone without associate. And Joseph started to invite the people of Egypt to worship God alone without peer or son: i.e. he was a messenger or apostle to the people of Egypt, and of course he worked according to the plan of God.

The indication that he was a messenger to the people of Egypt is in the Quran telling about the man who was one of the family of Pharaoh and he secretly believed in Moses, then this man declared his belief and defended Moses, as in the Quran 40: 34, which means:

“Joseph [son of Jacob] brought you the clear signs i before [400 hundred years ago.]
Yet you ceased not to doubt of [the religion] that he brought you.
At length, when he perished, you said, "God will not send any messenger (or apostle) after him." [And you kept on your disbelief, thinking that God will not bring about a new evidence against you: by sending you a new apostle]
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i i.e. the logical proofs and scientific arguments.

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If you have any reasoning mind, come and discuss but do not do like the ignorant who only shout so as to make confusion.