Nothing too profound about that, it's certainly not news................as the old adage goes- "we win a few, we lose a few"
The proverbial "State "of the Nation
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Nothing too profound about that, it's certainly not news................as the old adage goes- "we win a few, we lose a few"
The key to a good economy is that people have tobuy what people make in their country if they don’t the economy eventuallycollapses.
Your answers get weirder as time goes on. We have not allowed anything of the sort if anything the liberal governments/people of the world have increasingly isolated themselves from the world, thru because they cannot stomach what they know has to be done to make this a safer world.
The Fall of the United States
by John Atcheson
We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling… the United States.
--Clarence Darrow at the Scopes Monkey Trial.
Welcome to the late great United States – a country in economic and moral free fall. A country in thrall to a cult of greed, selfishness, and ignorance.
A country that is trying to hold onto its belief in its own “exceptionalism,” even as it rejects the very forces that made it exceptional.
Once, the US was a leader in science. Today, most Americans are scientifically illiterate and one of the major political parties – Republicans-- largely rejects science and scientists as "elitist." Research budgets are being slashed. The space shuttle has flown its last flight. Climate scientists are demonized and marginalized, even as epochal storms, heat waves, and draughts sweep across our country and lay waste our planet.
Once, US infrastructure was the envy of the world. Our planes, our trains, our highways, our damns, bridges, buildings and communication systems were the benchmark against which other countries measured their worth. Investing in it created well-paying jobs and wealth-generating capacity. Now, it is a crumbling punch line to a tragic national joke.
Once, the US system of laws and regulations was recognized as the pre-requisite of a civilized and prosperous society. It created transparent markets; honest securities exchanges; level playing fields for all players; equitable sharing of wealth between workers and managers; safe and humane working conditions; a clean and livable environment. Today, most Americans think government regulation destroyed the economy. They even believe that the plutocrats who destroyed this regulatory infrastructure -- the most successful wealth-generating machine in the world’s history -- are the “job creators” and the source of the formerly shared prosperity that is now disappearing into the coffers of the few from the wallets of the many.
The Fall of the United States | Common Dreams
before anyone gets going on anti americanism or some other such illiterate commentary..........would you please review the items in the article and indicate if there is truth to them. Suspect you will find there is.
The reality might be harsh to face as the implications for the US and the world at large are beyond what anyone can even imagine ....but no one can afford to play ostrich anymore .
We must remember that as the US deteriorates......it will (and is already) affecting our own lovely nation as well. We as canadians must never fall into the same traps of greed, lust for power , feelings of exceptionalism ( remember : the Germans felt they too were exceptional) and ruthless disregard of feelings of others , be it people, nations, cultures etc. We must also remember that the media is not always factual and to keep open an inquisitive mind that does not allow itself to become dumbed down by infotainment , and other useless trivia that fills the airwaves . that serves to distract from the critical issues going on at the moment and will be for some time before things level off again. They will level off.......that is a given law of physics , but what we don't know is what the status quo will be when that happens.
In as much as we must face the truths about our neighbor...... we must be objective and remember that for some, it just takes a lot longer to mature into a wise nation of peoples , the potential is there....always will be ......but it does not lie in slogans, flag waving, wars etc. It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact.
by John Atcheson
We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling… the United States.
--Clarence Darrow at the Scopes Monkey Trial.
Welcome to the late great United States – a country in economic and moral free fall. A country in thrall to a cult of greed, selfishness, and ignorance.
A country that is trying to hold onto its belief in its own “exceptionalism,” even as it rejects the very forces that made it exceptional.
Once, the US was a leader in science. Today, most Americans are scientifically illiterate and one of the major political parties – Republicans-- largely rejects science and scientists as "elitist." Research budgets are being slashed. The space shuttle has flown its last flight. Climate scientists are demonized and marginalized, even as epochal storms, heat waves, and draughts sweep across our country and lay waste our planet.
Once, US infrastructure was the envy of the world. Our planes, our trains, our highways, our damns, bridges, buildings and communication systems were the benchmark against which other countries measured their worth. Investing in it created well-paying jobs and wealth-generating capacity. Now, it is a crumbling punch line to a tragic national joke.
Once, the US system of laws and regulations was recognized as the pre-requisite of a civilized and prosperous society. It created transparent markets; honest securities exchanges; level playing fields for all players; equitable sharing of wealth between workers and managers; safe and humane working conditions; a clean and livable environment. Today, most Americans think government regulation destroyed the economy. They even believe that the plutocrats who destroyed this regulatory infrastructure -- the most successful wealth-generating machine in the world’s history -- are the “job creators” and the source of the formerly shared prosperity that is now disappearing into the coffers of the few from the wallets of the many.
The Fall of the United States | Common Dreams
before anyone gets going on anti americanism or some other such illiterate commentary..........would you please review the items in the article and indicate if there is truth to them. Suspect you will find there is.
The reality might be harsh to face as the implications for the US and the world at large are beyond what anyone can even imagine ....but no one can afford to play ostrich anymore .
We must remember that as the US deteriorates......it will (and is already) affecting our own lovely nation as well. We as canadians must never fall into the same traps of greed, lust for power , feelings of exceptionalism ( remember : the Germans felt they too were exceptional) and ruthless disregard of feelings of others , be it people, nations, cultures etc. We must also remember that the media is not always factual and to keep open an inquisitive mind that does not allow itself to become dumbed down by infotainment , and other useless trivia that fills the airwaves . that serves to distract from the critical issues going on at the moment and will be for some time before things level off again. They will level off.......that is a given law of physics , but what we don't know is what the status quo will be when that happens.
In as much as we must face the truths about our neighbor...... we must be objective and remember that for some, it just takes a lot longer to mature into a wise nation of peoples , the potential is there....always will be ......but it does not lie in slogans, flag waving, wars etc. It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact.
Why is it that it is always foreign liberal cowards who are always calling out for the demise of America. The United States is not going to fail. We never have and never will.
"It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact."
Yes, your above quote is right about the liberal left.
"It lies in the humanity of the people themselves. Growing pains can be very hard to deal with ..particularly when what one believes about oneself is not reality or fact."
Yes, your above quote is right about the liberal left.
NO one is "calling" for the demise of America. No one wants it.....either . "america" is doing it all by itself. The erosion process has been going on for some time........but the difference is that it is OBVIOUS now and ACCERATING now.
One cannot examine the "state of the nation" objectively and not see that things are rather grim. Economy , national debt. devalued credit rating, increased (dramatically) poverty and poor health . Obstructionists are running the gov't. Security measures are removing in gradual but steady terms the rights of the population........(who are now of the mindset that it is no problem to surrender some rights.....like privacy, for the false notion of security . ( which can never be achieved unless you cage the population completely).
Then there is the loss of influence and respect world wide. All pointers show that there is an increasing degree of desparateness to their decisions and yet no one can agree on what to do as power is more important then the custody of their country. Ethics and standards are not even relavent..
The US EGO has taken over some time ago. and the results are there for all to see. The lack of regard for humanity and the laws is now overtly evident with planned assassinations/ executions being "justice" and holding people in prisons indefinately without legal council etc etc.
The US has pushed all the boundaries that define civilizations. and the repercussions are just beginning. It will take more than your garden variety political MAGIC to set things back on course.......as no one is prepared to do any serious self reflection which is critical before appropriate solutions can be determined.
why the heck would anyone WANT the demise of the US.......when every step of this deterioration is affecting nations and peoples world wide.
Before branding the "liberals" as the author of ones complaints......please examine the rotten state of the repukes and how they interfere / obstruct any ideas .
Maybe the libs should behave like the repukes......and give them a taste of their own medicine. But we all know what the immature repugs would do. Cry fowl as if they are the model example of the law, ethics, standards and humanity. They are NOT.
the problem is that BOTH parties are so involved in maintaining POWER ......THEIR power , that nothing is being done to assist the nation through a very dark phase.
One cannot examine the "state of the nation" objectively and not see that things are rather grim. Economy , national debt. devalued credit rating, increased (dramatically) poverty and poor health . Obstructionists are running the gov't. Security measures are removing in gradual but steady terms the rights of the population........(who are now of the mindset that it is no problem to surrender some rights.....like privacy, for the false notion of security . ( which can never be achieved unless you cage the population completely).
Then there is the loss of influence and respect world wide. All pointers show that there is an increasing degree of desparateness to their decisions and yet no one can agree on what to do as power is more important then the custody of their country. Ethics and standards are not even relavent..
The US EGO has taken over some time ago. and the results are there for all to see. The lack of regard for humanity and the laws is now overtly evident with planned assassinations/ executions being "justice" and holding people in prisons indefinately without legal council etc etc.
The US has pushed all the boundaries that define civilizations. and the repercussions are just beginning. It will take more than your garden variety political MAGIC to set things back on course.......as no one is prepared to do any serious self reflection which is critical before appropriate solutions can be determined.
why the heck would anyone WANT the demise of the US.......when every step of this deterioration is affecting nations and peoples world wide.
Before branding the "liberals" as the author of ones complaints......please examine the rotten state of the repukes and how they interfere / obstruct any ideas .
Maybe the libs should behave like the repukes......and give them a taste of their own medicine. But we all know what the immature repugs would do. Cry fowl as if they are the model example of the law, ethics, standards and humanity. They are NOT.
the problem is that BOTH parties are so involved in maintaining POWER ......THEIR power , that nothing is being done to assist the nation through a very dark phase.
See what I mean, your blaming us for everything. Maybe your right. Just wanted to let you know - today I received my 2012 Obama Stimulus
Package. It contained two pumpkin seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 KFC
coupons. The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon.
Package. It contained two pumpkin seeds, cornbread mix, and 10 KFC
coupons. The directions were in Spanish.
Hope you get yours soon.
Guess it is time for y'all to learn Spanish.;-) And stop playing the victim role.
You do with drug traffickers what they do in Singapore. They don't reoffend after that! :lol:
What is holding up winning the war in drugs in not the United States, but the Mexican government. They are incapable of defeating the cartels on their own, yet will not let our military give them the support they need.
Any of you think that by legalizing drugs you will be able to stop animals like this? We have a real war going on in Mexico and on the U.S. border.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Masked gunmen blocked traffic on a busy avenue in a Gulf of Mexico coastal city Tuesday and dumped the bodies of 35 slaying victims as horrified motorists watched, authorities said.
Veracruz state Attorney General Reynaldo Escobar Perez said the bodies were left piled in two trucks and on the ground of an underpass near a shopping mall in the city of Boca del Rio.
http://news.yahoo.com/gunmen-dump-35-bodies-busy-avenue-mexico-013656828.html
Any of you think that by legalizing drugs you will be able to stop animals like this? We have a real war going on in Mexico and on the U.S. border.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Masked gunmen blocked traffic on a busy avenue in a Gulf of Mexico coastal city Tuesday and dumped the bodies of 35 slaying victims as horrified motorists watched, authorities said.
Veracruz state Attorney General Reynaldo Escobar Perez said the bodies were left piled in two trucks and on the ground of an underpass near a shopping mall in the city of Boca del Rio.
http://news.yahoo.com/gunmen-dump-35-bodies-busy-avenue-mexico-013656828.html
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I think you may be on to something. If the U.S. Gov't had put as many troops in Mexico to eliminate drugs and they sent to Iraq, a much bigger threat would have been annihilated years ago.
That cartoon was from a blog dealing with the bogus trickle down myth. The point it makes is that we would be far better off if there wasn't an ever increasing wealth gap. That is indisputable.
Possibly. After all, if regulated and profitable, the capitalists would likely do a better security job in order to insure continued profitability. Let's face it, the present system isn't working and this is not likely to change.
If the U.S. Gov't had put as many troops in Mexico to eliminate drugs and they sent to Iraq, a much bigger threat would have been annihilated years ago.
Do you REALLY think so?? And at what cost ?? ( not referring to finances only )
The military is the wrong approach to something like drugs , just as it is the wrong approach to any ism....including terrorism. For everyone they kill, maim , and otherwise slaughter.......the more incentive they have to ;despise the US . And they (drug lords and their gangs ) will just keep outsmarting the troops every time. Just like they are ahead of the law now.
Troops are not the answer to every problem..... and neither is war. Isn't it bad enough that the troops have been used and abused for political motives in the most shameful way over the past decade??? When folks say "support our troops"........It is enough to make one puke.......as sending them into situations as suggested above or into nations based on LIES ......is not supporting the troops........it is abusing them in the most disrespectful way possible.
Do you REALLY think so?? And at what cost ?? ( not referring to finances only )
The military is the wrong approach to something like drugs , just as it is the wrong approach to any ism....including terrorism. For everyone they kill, maim , and otherwise slaughter.......the more incentive they have to ;despise the US . And they (drug lords and their gangs ) will just keep outsmarting the troops every time. Just like they are ahead of the law now.
Troops are not the answer to every problem..... and neither is war. Isn't it bad enough that the troops have been used and abused for political motives in the most shameful way over the past decade??? When folks say "support our troops"........It is enough to make one puke.......as sending them into situations as suggested above or into nations based on LIES ......is not supporting the troops........it is abusing them in the most disrespectful way possible.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I say you do whatever works and I'm guessing if 125,000 troops were put up against a few thousand drug lords in Mexico the troops would come out ahead. (They are not accustomed to taking siestas between 12 and 3 PM) Another benefit is the troops would be happier because they could probably get home on weekends.
Singapore doesn't have that problem.
..........well, if it is so great over there.......:roll::roll:
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Legalization is at least part of the solution. That does not mean one has to ;buy the stuff and use it. But at least the gov't could start to get out of the red financially if the stuff was properly taxed. Folks on drugs are not any where near as dangerous as those that get drunk, drive and do other things when their inhibitions are lowered. Have you heard of a person high on substance beat his /her spouse??? Or abuse their kids??? Or lose their impulse control and aggressively do things that they would not think of when sober??
..........well, if it is so great over there.......:roll::roll:
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Legalization is at least part of the solution. That does not mean one has to ;buy the stuff and use it. But at least the gov't could start to get out of the red financially if the stuff was properly taxed. Folks on drugs are not any where near as dangerous as those that get drunk, drive and do other things when their inhibitions are lowered. Have you heard of a person high on substance beat his /her spouse??? Or abuse their kids??? Or lose their impulse control and aggressively do things that they would not think of when sober??
Yeah, some people do terrible things while on crack or Crystal Meth. Do you honestly think a guy spaced out on Crack behind the wheel of a car is any safer than a drunk? If you do I think you are delusional.
IF there are only a few thousand drug lords......... what is stopping the law enforcement agencies from dealing with them.
maybe, probably, guessing, and assuming about cultural habits ............is not a definative way of approaching the problem.
are you suggesting the troops go in and slaughter every one selling drugs , and everyone that is using drugs (not to mention other casualties of the slaughter ) and then hiope that you can still get along with Mexico ???
What are the statistics about DRUG induced wreckless driving as compared with Alcohol induced wreckless driving???
The tragic thing is that people do terrible things when NOT ON drugs or alcohol too.