The Problem With Alberta and the East Coast

Hoid

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Mulroney had to decide what colour the bags of cash would be.

That was a toughie
 

Curious Cdn

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Mulroney destroyed the PC party the reform party resurrected them
No, the Reform Party and the Block Quebecois split the Conservative party into two unelectable pieces and neither of them had room for that big chunk of middle progressives that used to make and break Conservative governments. Harper attracted some of them back ... just barely and just for a time. Scheer didn't even try to reach them. There is nowhere for the Conservatives to go but down unless the old Reform Party cement heads are made to understand that they are the authors of their own demise.
 

Serryah

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No, the Reform Party and the Block Quebecois split the Conservative party into two unelectable pieces and neither of them had room for that big chunk of middle progressives that used to make and break Conservative governments. Harper attracted some of them back ... just barely and just for a time. Scheer didn't even try to reach them. There is nowhere for the Conservatives to go but down unless the old Reform Party cement heads are made to understand that they are the authors of their own demise.


Personally when I think of the blues, it's the old school Conservatives I think of - and wish would come back into power.


The new ones are wackadoodle.
 

Curious Cdn

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Personally when I think of the blues, it's the old school Conservatives I think of - and wish would come back into power.
The new ones are wackadoodle.
The old ones were old fashioned Christians, raised to understand that they were commanded to care for their fellow man. They were also careful fiscal conservatives required balanced books. Defences were taken seriously but not over done.

We've been infected with pseudo-Republican Neocon wannabees.
 

Ron in Regina

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The old ones were old fashioned Christians, raised to understand that they were commanded to care for their fellow man. They were also careful fiscal conservatives required balanced books. Defences were taken seriously but not over done.

We've been infected with pseudo-Republican Neocon wannabees.
Thankfully none of these wannabees are Woke Fake-Feminist Hypocrites caught wearing blackface repeatedly or they'd never get elected by a progressive nation. Oh wait....
 

Curious Cdn

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Thankfully none of these wannabees are Woke Fake-Feminist Hypocrites caught wearing blackface repeatedly or they'd never get elected by a progressive nation. Oh wait....
Well, anyone named "Trudeau" ...

By the way, things like Mr. Dress up and Black Face are the direct result of putting an actor in place to front your party. He's no more in charge than Finnegan.
 

Ron in Regina

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Well, anyone named "Trudeau" ...

By the way, things like Mr. Dress up and Black Face are the direct result of putting an actor in place to front your party. He's no more in charge than Finnegan.
I hear you and second the motion.


Yet not only was he elected once, but TWICE!! Say what you want about Western Canada, but you can't blame Trudeau on us:
 

Ron in Regina

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people are sick of the vilification of Trudeau
Are people? Which people? You've got somewhere between 4yrs or 6 months of this current term with him as your spokespeople before the next election is called so I'm guessing this won't be the last time you'll (is 'you'll' a gender neutral pronoun?) experience this. With the country this divided I'm also guessing people is about the 30% that voted for Justin even after the last four years? Most likely the people aren't the resurgent Bloc to the East of you or alienated Western Canada to the West of you...but a portion of the people generally surrounding you?
 

taxslave

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Actually not true, if you look at this election as an example. NB voted red, blue and even green.
Quebec voted more Bloc.
Even Ontario went blue, red and orange.
Each election for the east is different.
But the West remains CONSISTENTLY blue.
In fact, for the past 20 years, it's been blue.
So no, you do not get to say that the East is somehow a bastion of Liberal certainty.
I honestly think we vote here for the person, not party and that's why each election is always so varied about who gets in.
Can't say the same for the West for the most part.
But we CAN say that yes, were Charlie Manson leader in the West, he'd likely be voted in if he was Conservative.
As for us in the east wanting hand outs... okay, we'll stop wanting hand outs when the West stops being whiny little bitches and stops screaming that Canada sucks and it's gonna leave after every damn election that they lose cause they can't put forward candidates that can resonate with the rest of Canada.
The Island is almost all orange with a dab of green where the idle rich live. Some of it does change hands though.odd how it is either orange or blue in some tidings. Can't remember when the last time there was a liberal MP though
 

taxslave

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What passes for media in Canada is very left. $610 of taxpayers money will do that.
 

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The Island is almost all orange with a dab of green where the idle rich live. Some of it does change hands though.odd how it is either orange or blue in some tidings. Can't remember when the last time there was a liberal MP though


Which Island?
 

taxslave

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Unfortunately, the current version of the Conservatives has failed to become a national party. When the "Progressive" part was torn off, most hope of expanding beyond the West went down the drain. Might as well go back to calling it The Reform party. That's all that is left of it after the Westerners destroyed the Progressive Conservatives by splitting the vote for a generation.
That is because the previous version of the Conservative party was no different than the Liberal party. Controlled by the east and ignored the west unless they were looking for something to steal.
 

spilledthebeer

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What passes for media in Canada is very left. $610 of taxpayers money will do that.




Cliffy is a TRULY REMARKABLE LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


but he has learned well .....................................


from his LIE-beral masters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






In other news - the remarkable Doctor Jordan Peterson says he worked for two years for a United Nations Climate Agency and as a result of that he says there are NOW MORE TREES in the northern hemisphere than there were 100 years ago!!!!!!!!!!

His explanation is simple- 100 years ago we burned trees for heat and cooking but now we revere trees and municipal govts do what they can to LIMIT tree cutting!!

And of course one only has to drive around the more central parts of Ontari-owe - outside the GTA - to notice abandoned farms and overgrown fields where forests are re-establishing on land that was marginal for farming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes- the suburbs are ever expanding in Ontari-owe - but they are being built on PREVIOUSLY CLEARED farm fields!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it not strange that Our idiot Boy Justin claims he will reduce taxes on the Middle Class- yet he is planning a MAJOR SALES TAX HIKE ON EVERYTHING - including heat, light, water and food - using his carbon tax SCAM - just another LIE-beral BAIT AND SWITCH MOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By carbon taxing everything from electricity to food and clothes - he gets an EXTRA GRAVY GRAB as the sales tax automatically goes up with the higher prices - and WHERE is the tax “break” in that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it not STRANGE that civil service union HOGS and their LIE-beral enablers are CONVINCED that Ford govt spending reductions will cause pain and suffering....

Yet the same group of GREEDY HOGS REFUSE to recognize how much suffering their endless debts and job killing economic policies are causing!!!!!!!!!!

WE know that our kids are mighty distressed about jobs and work and money and worried about finding a decent place to live - so much so that LARGE NUMBERS of kids are showing signs of mental distress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the LIE-beral and HOG solution is TO DIG US EVEN DEEPER INTO THE deficit ridden mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before the election - Our idiot Boy Justin Trudope told us that all the “profits” from the Kinder Morgan pipeline will be used to plant millions of trees - yet now that the election is over - he is mumbling about the pipeline producing cash for UNSPECIFIED “green projects” - but of course the Quebec experience of using carbon tax SCAM gravy for green projects - indicates any Fossil Fuel generated tax cash will be used as a general LIE-beral Slush Fund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But.........HOW MUCH profit can there be if he does not ever actually BUILD the pipeline??????????????????????????????

After the election - idiot Boy repeated that the pipeline would get built!! BUT HOW? LIE-berals are STILL NEGOTIATING with never satisfied native radicals!

Neither Greens nor NDPees want anything to do with a pipeline so there is no help there!! In addition - many LIE-beral party members are adamantly OPPOSED to the pipeline so Our idiot Boy would face opposition from WITHIN his own party!!

It looks like LIE-berals are going to play out the clock on Kinder Morgan and leave it to ROT while our paralyzed parliament squabbles and stalls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kinder Morgan WILL PROBABLY BE an election issue once the LIE-beral minority govt mess withers and dies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In related news- WHERE will these millions of promised trees - paid for by the pipeline - be planted?????????????

Will they be in the middle of your kids public park soccer pitch????????????

At third base at the local baseball diamond?????????????????????

Will Our idiot Boy simply GIVE the trees to municipalities to plant along our streets - to duplicate the existing municipal program???????????????

How will we verify THAT ANY TREES were ever planted anywhere?????

Our idiot Boy has apparently long ago run out of logical talking points and is now just blurting stuff out in hope of saying something popular!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The old ones were old fashioned Christians, raised to understand that they were commanded to care for their fellow man. They were also careful fiscal conservatives required balanced books. Defences were taken seriously but not over done.
We've been infected with pseudo-Republican Neocon wannabees.

Is that why the Prairie provinces are hell bent to balance the budgets? Sask. did this last spring, Man. on course for next spring, and Alta. within 3 years. How is the East making out? What are their commitments toward balanced budgets outside of using transfer payments?
 

harrylee

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I am in Ont, am basically conservative in my views, consider a balanced budget a good thing. Ontario right now has the largest debt load of any provincial/state jurisdiction in the world. We inherited one hell of a mess from Ms Wynne.
Doug Ford is trying for a balanced budget in 5 years. I doubt that he will keep that promise, but he is trying.

That said, I am no fan of Doug Ford. I think he is a lousy leader and they could have chose much better....but he is what we are stuck with right now, he is trying in his own way.
 

Hoid

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I am in Ont, am basically conservative in my views, consider a balanced budget a good thing. Ontario right now has the largest debt load of any provincial/state jurisdiction in the world. We inherited one hell of a mess from Ms Wynne.
Doug Ford is trying for a balanced budget in 5 years. I doubt that he will keep that promise, but he is trying.
That said, I am no fan of Doug Ford. I think he is a lousy leader and they could have chose much better....but he is what we are stuck with right now, he is trying in his own way.
I have some great news for you: Ontario does not have the largest debt load of any provincial/state jurisdiction in the world. It dioesn't even have the largest provincial debt to GDP ratio in Canada. Not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

At 40.2% Ontario is only the fourth most indebted jurisdiction in Canada.

As far as in the world... Japan is 234%
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt/

I can only conclude that you were listening when Doug Ford lied about how much debt the previous government ran up on Ontario.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-deficit-update-1.5282527

So there you go. It must be a great day for you to discover that Ontario is not the financial basket case you thought it was. Which isn't to say that Ford is not borrowing money at an alarming rate...
 

spilledthebeer

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I am in Ont, am basically conservative in my views, consider a balanced budget a good thing. Ontario right now has the largest debt load of any provincial/state jurisdiction in the world. We inherited one hell of a mess from Ms Wynne.
Doug Ford is trying for a balanced budget in 5 years. I doubt that he will keep that promise, but he is trying.

That said, I am no fan of Doug Ford. I think he is a lousy leader and they could have chose much better....but he is what we are stuck with right now, he is trying in his own way.




Pat Brown might have been smoother and more urbane........................................


than Doug Ford but he got CHOPPED by some DEEP THINKING LIE-beral minded LAWYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Somebody with MORE THAN AVERAGE understanding of LAW generally................................


and the nature of PERJURY CHARGES SPECIFICALLY.................................


set Brown up VERY NEATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nailed the guy with allegations that CANNOT BE DISPROVED in a legal forum..............................


and which COULD NOT BE IGNORED in the #METOO atmosphere of HYSTERIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Democracy took a VERY HARD HIT when Brown got SMEARED out of the election..................................


and Democracy took another VERY HARD HIT with the Kavanaugh LIE-beral LYNCH MOB................................


and Democracy took a REALLY HARD HIT when LIE-berals decided it would be better for their image............................


IF THEY STOPPED talking about visions of "social justice and economics" ..................................


and concentrated on FAKE NEWS about Impeachment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!