The Problem is Empire, not Islam

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By Jacob G. Hornberger

I suspect that the reason that so many Americans have gone off on the anti-Islamic kick is their steadfast refusal to confront the fact that the 9/11 attacks were the direct consequence of the bad things their federal government had been doing to Muslims in the Middle East prior to 9/11. It’s as if people perceive the federal government to be a sacred god, one that is all-knowing and all-good.

Woe to the blasphemer and the heretic who dare to point out that the 9/11 attacks were nothing more than retaliation for the horrific things that the U.S. Empire was doing to Muslims prior to 9/11. One is simply not supposed to say such things. If you do, you’re labeled an America-hater, as if the federal government and our country were one and same thing.

No, you’re supposed to just continue to blindly repeat the mantra: Islam is bad and the Muslims are coming here to America to establish Sharia law. Our government must continue to protect us from the coming invasion. That’s why the Empire has been occupying Iraq and Afghanistan for longer than World War II — to protect us from Muslims … well, except for the fact that the regimes that the U.S Empire is protecting in Iraq and Afghanistan happen to be Muslim regimes.

Prior to 9/11, we here at The Future of Freedom Foundation predicted the 9/11 attacks. That doesn’t make us brilliant soothsayers. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to make such a prediction. We knew what the U.S. Empire was doing in the Middle East, we knew the tremendous anger it was generating, and we knew that ultimately there would be people who would retaliate.

Since the U.S. Empire was doing the bad things to countries that were predominantly Muslim, it also didn’t take a rocket scientist to predict that the people who would inevitably retaliate would be Muslims. Duh!

In other to avoid having to confront these unpleasant facts, all too many Americans, however, have gone off on this anti-Islamic kick, claiming that the 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with retaliation but instead everything to do with some sort of worldwide Muslim campaign to conquer the world.

Take a look at these two articles that FFF published in 1999 and 2000 — that is, prior to the 9/11 attacks:

Terrorism, War, and Crises by Jacob G. Hornberger
Breeding Terrorism by Sheldon Richman

Here is what I wrote in part in January 2000 — 18 months prior to the 9/11/2001 attacks:
Throughout all the hype and hysteria, U.S. government officials behaved as if they were innocent babes threatened by people who simply have an overwhelming desire to kill Americans for no good reason at all.

But the truth is that there are plenty of people in the world who have very good reason to hate the U.S. government. If we ignore this, we do so at our peril.

For example, look at what our government has done to the people of Iraq. Ever since the supposed end of the Persian Gulf War, we have maintained a vicious, brutal embargo against the Iraqi people….

The embargo against Iraq has caused extreme suffering, in terms of malnutrition and health conditions, not for Iraq's ruling elite but rather for the Iraqi people, and especially for their children. How many Iraqi babies have died because of the U.S. embargo? How many women have died during childbirth because of the embargo? How many fathers have seen their children's growth stunted?....

If there had been a terrorist attack, you can be 100 percent certain that the U.S. government would have used the crisis as an opportunity to march America farther down the road to total destruction of our civil liberties….

There is one and only one solution to the problem of terrorism by foreigners against Americans: for the American people to put a permanent end to state-sponsored terrorism by their own government.
Here is what Sheldon wrote in December 1999—20 months prior to the 9/11 attacks:
If 2000 comes in with a terrorist's bang, the blame must be squarely placed at the feet of our foreign-policy makers. Of course, the perpetrator is directly responsible for the deaths and injuries of innocent civilians, but that doesn't alter the fact that the foreign-policy establishment, from President Clinton on down, are accessories. They created the indispensable conditions.

Too extreme a statement? Ponder this: someone recently asked when the last act of foreign terrorism was committed against Switzerland.

Isn't it interesting that countries that mind their own business aren't targets of violence committed by citizens of other nations? Maybe there's a lesson there somewhere….

Apologists for activist government never tire of telling us that the benevolent state is our protector and that without it we'd be at the mercy of monsters. It is about time that we understood that the U.S. government does more to endanger the American people than any imagined monsters around the world….

There is a way to make the United States terrorist-proof: pursue a foreign policy proper to a constitutional republic, the same policy proposed by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. In a word: nonintervention. Let countries and populations work out their own disputes. Meddling simply widens and intensifies conflicts.
Was the U.S. Empire waging a religious crusade against Islam when it was doing bad things to Muslims in the Middle East prior to 9/11? Of course not. The Empire was simply pursuing its primary foreign-policy objective — regime change — ousting recalcitrant rulers in foreign countries and replacing them with pro-U.S. rulers who would do the bidding of the Empire. That’s how the Empire works — it engages in coups, assassinations, invasions, foreign aid, occupations, kidnappings, executions, and the like to effect regime change abroad and to exterminate those who resist.

In order to arrive at a correct solution to a problem, it is necessary to arrive at a correct diagnosis. The problems facing our country are not rooted in the Islamic religion or with Muslims. The problems are rooted in U.S. foreign policy.

Thus, the solution is obvious: Stop the Muslim-bashing and simply dismantle the U.S. government’s overseas military empire, bring all the troops home and discharge them, terminate all governmental interventions in the affairs of other countries, and restore a limited-government constitutional republic to our land.
 

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By Jacob G. Hornberger

I suspect that the reason that so many Americans have gone off on the anti-Islamic kick is their steadfast refusal to confront the fact that the 9/11 attacks were the direct consequence of the bad things their federal government had been doing to Muslims in the Middle East prior to 9/11. It’s as if people perceive the federal government to be a sacred god, one that is all-knowing and all-good.

Woe to the blasphemer and the heretic who dare to point out that the 9/11 attacks were nothing more than retaliation for the horrific things that the U.S. Empire was doing to Muslims prior to 9/11. One is simply not supposed to say such things. If you do, you’re labeled an America-hater, as if the federal government and our country were one and same thing.

No, you’re supposed to just continue to blindly repeat the mantra: Islam is bad and the Muslims are coming here to America to establish Sharia law. Our government must continue to protect us from the coming invasion. That’s why the Empire has been occupying Iraq and Afghanistan for longer than World War II — to protect us from Muslims … well, except for the fact that the regimes that the U.S Empire is protecting in Iraq and Afghanistan happen to be Muslim regimes.

Prior to 9/11, we here at The Future of Freedom Foundation predicted the 9/11 attacks. That doesn’t make us brilliant soothsayers. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to make such a prediction. We knew what the U.S. Empire was doing in the Middle East, we knew the tremendous anger it was generating, and we knew that ultimately there would be people who would retaliate.

Since the U.S. Empire was doing the bad things to countries that were predominantly Muslim, it also didn’t take a rocket scientist to predict that the people who would inevitably retaliate would be Muslims. Duh!

In other to avoid having to confront these unpleasant facts, all too many Americans, however, have gone off on this anti-Islamic kick, claiming that the 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with retaliation but instead everything to do with some sort of worldwide Muslim campaign to conquer the world.

Take a look at these two articles that FFF published in 1999 and 2000 — that is, prior to the 9/11 attacks:

Terrorism, War, and Crises by Jacob G. Hornberger
Breeding Terrorism by Sheldon Richman

Here is what I wrote in part in January 2000 — 18 months prior to the 9/11/2001 attacks:
Throughout all the hype and hysteria, U.S. government officials behaved as if they were innocent babes threatened by people who simply have an overwhelming desire to kill Americans for no good reason at all.

But the truth is that there are plenty of people in the world who have very good reason to hate the U.S. government. If we ignore this, we do so at our peril.

For example, look at what our government has done to the people of Iraq. Ever since the supposed end of the Persian Gulf War, we have maintained a vicious, brutal embargo against the Iraqi people….

The embargo against Iraq has caused extreme suffering, in terms of malnutrition and health conditions, not for Iraq's ruling elite but rather for the Iraqi people, and especially for their children. How many Iraqi babies have died because of the U.S. embargo? How many women have died during childbirth because of the embargo? How many fathers have seen their children's growth stunted?....

If there had been a terrorist attack, you can be 100 percent certain that the U.S. government would have used the crisis as an opportunity to march America farther down the road to total destruction of our civil liberties….

There is one and only one solution to the problem of terrorism by foreigners against Americans: for the American people to put a permanent end to state-sponsored terrorism by their own government.
Here is what Sheldon wrote in December 1999—20 months prior to the 9/11 attacks:
If 2000 comes in with a terrorist's bang, the blame must be squarely placed at the feet of our foreign-policy makers. Of course, the perpetrator is directly responsible for the deaths and injuries of innocent civilians, but that doesn't alter the fact that the foreign-policy establishment, from President Clinton on down, are accessories. They created the indispensable conditions.

Too extreme a statement? Ponder this: someone recently asked when the last act of foreign terrorism was committed against Switzerland.

Isn't it interesting that countries that mind their own business aren't targets of violence committed by citizens of other nations? Maybe there's a lesson there somewhere….

Apologists for activist government never tire of telling us that the benevolent state is our protector and that without it we'd be at the mercy of monsters. It is about time that we understood that the U.S. government does more to endanger the American people than any imagined monsters around the world….

There is a way to make the United States terrorist-proof: pursue a foreign policy proper to a constitutional republic, the same policy proposed by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. In a word: nonintervention. Let countries and populations work out their own disputes. Meddling simply widens and intensifies conflicts.
Was the U.S. Empire waging a religious crusade against Islam when it was doing bad things to Muslims in the Middle East prior to 9/11? Of course not. The Empire was simply pursuing its primary foreign-policy objective — regime change — ousting recalcitrant rulers in foreign countries and replacing them with pro-U.S. rulers who would do the bidding of the Empire. That’s how the Empire works — it engages in coups, assassinations, invasions, foreign aid, occupations, kidnappings, executions, and the like to effect regime change abroad and to exterminate those who resist.

In order to arrive at a correct solution to a problem, it is necessary to arrive at a correct diagnosis. The problems facing our country are not rooted in the Islamic religion or with Muslims. The problems are rooted in U.S. foreign policy.

Thus, the solution is obvious: Stop the Muslim-bashing and simply dismantle the U.S. government’s overseas military empire, bring all the troops home and discharge them, terminate all governmental interventions in the affairs of other countries, and restore a limited-government constitutional republic to our land.


Simple minded man - Did the US contribute - yes and we in the West as well by supporting certain Govts - next those Govts that have come to power - Iran comes to mind are nothing but Terrorist masquerading as Religious Muslims - But to blame the US and the West for all of Islams problems is byond simplistic - It is bordering on idiocy.

Nothing will stop a Fanatical Muslim Terrorist - He must adhere to the Quran and if not then he must be confronted with force - A bullet - double tap will lessen their number by 1.
 

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Good article overall. The current civic religion in the US is very evident here:

YouTube - Terrorism: Ron Paul vs. Giuliani @ SC Debate

Ron Paul says it like it is, and suddenly the senseless rhetoric comes out.

Man, I usually vote left... precisely because of the excessive fiscal liberalism of the right, ironically enough. What we need in Canada is a Ron Paul, a conservative who really is for small government across the board, and not just against spending most 'conservatives' are against.
 

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Huh??

"But to blame the US and the West for all of Islams problems is byond simplistic - It is bordering on idiocy."....

Where in the article did you read anything relating to that comment?:roll:


Simple minded man - Did the US contribute - yes and we in the West as well by supporting certain Govts - next those Govts that have come to power - Iran comes to mind are nothing but Terrorist masquerading as Religious Muslims - But to blame the US and the West for all of Islams problems is byond simplistic - It is bordering on idiocy.

Nothing will stop a Fanatical Muslim Terrorist - He must adhere to the Quran and if not then he must be confronted with force - A bullet - double tap will lessen their number by 1.
 

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Huh??

"But to blame the US and the West for all of Islams problems is byond simplistic - It is bordering on idiocy."....

Where in the article did you read anything relating to that comment?:roll:

Yeah...I read the articles.

Extremely silly. Rambling on about Iraq......and how much terror in the west has its root in Iraq??? None. Zilch. Nada.

And they forget, of course, that the First Gulf War was the USA defending one Islamic state (Saudi Arabia) and liberating another Islamic state (Kuwait) against the military expansionism of a secular meglomaniac... :)

Yep. Such crimes against Islam!

Imaging paying a CARTEL whatever price they wish to manipulate for their natural resources.....thus making them rich........the HORROR!

And yes, that is where the terrorists came from.....well-educated, rich sons of a nation defended by the USA. Most of them wwere Saudis.......Some monstrous exploitation!

Religious fanatacism is the primary explanation............
 

JBeee

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In some of his many speeches to US, Osama spoke about Iraqi suffering brought on by Bush sr. and the consequences that followed (9/11) and previous acts of revenge.
You can count on more of the same for Bush jr`s illegal invasion following 9/11 and the countless thousands of lives America snuffed out. Now its Afghanistan and the meddling US is doing and perhaps Iran next.

I say flatten the White House next time they come a gunnin for revenge and wipe out every head of gov. and foreign policy maker inside.




Yeah...I read the articles.

Extremely silly. Rambling on about Iraq......and how much terror in the west has its root in Iraq??? None. Zilch. Nada.

And they forget, of course, that the First Gulf War was the USA defending one Islamic state (Saudi Arabia) and liberating another Islamic state (Kuwait) against the military expansionism of a secular meglomaniac... :)

Yep. Such crimes against Islam!

Imaging paying a CARTEL whatever price they wish to manipulate for their natural resources.....thus making them rich........the HORROR!

And yes, that is where the terrorists came from.....well-educated, rich sons of a nation defended by the USA. Most of them wwere Saudis.......Some monstrous exploitation!

Religious fanatacism is the primary explanation............
 

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Huh??

"But to blame the US and the West for all of Islams problems is byond simplistic - It is bordering on idiocy."....

Where in the article did you read anything relating to that comment?:roll:

Do you have a problem comprehending what you posted. I think so.
 

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In some of his many speeches to US, Osama spoke about Iraqi suffering brought on by Bush sr. and the consequences that followed (9/11) and previous acts of revenge.
You can count on more of the same for Bush jr`s illegal invasion following 9/11 and the countless thousands of lives America snuffed out. Now its Afghanistan and the meddling US is doing and perhaps Iran next.

I say flatten the White House next time they come a gunnin for revenge and wipe out every head of gov. and foreign policy maker inside.


Promoting violence are ya?

Fighting fire with fire is not the solution here. It'll just burn the whole house down.
 

JBeee

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The article has more to do with the average American`s denial by refusing to accept that thier gov`s foreign policy is thier worst enemy. Americans should expect more of the same so long as they remain indifferent to the suffering of others brought on by its elected officials.

Again, God Dam America and all it stands for.:canada:



Do you have a problem comprehending what you posted. I think so.

It seems that`s the only thing Americans understand.


Promoting violence are ya?

Fighting fire with fire is not the solution here. It'll just burn the whole house down.
 

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The article has more to do with the average American`s denial by refusing to accept that thier gov`s foreign policy is thier worst enemy. Americans should expect more of the same so long as they remain indifferent to the suffering of others brought on by its elected officials.

Again, God Dam America and all it stands for.:canada:





It seems that`s the only thing Americans understand.

The rise of Islamic Fanatics goes back generation upon generation - Something that you seems to set to the side in your one eyed opinion.

Witness the burning of the Quran - They threaten the west to riot and kill - Why - because they want to intimidate - they cannot understand that the burning is by a nutbar of a small fringe sect.

Why do they not understand - They are slaves to the Quran as interpreted by ones who incite.

Oh yeah last point - Check you spelling or do not bring my spelling mistakes up again. OK
 

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"Witness the burning of the Quran - They threaten the west to riot and kill - Why - because they want to intimidate - they cannot understand that the burning is by a nutbar of a small fringe sect."....

lol...yes Mr Hanky mentioned a few days ago on how this guys threat was a `recruitment tool` for Al-Qaeda...conveniently leaving out US foreign policy as a possible cause as well.:lol:



The rise of Islamic Fanatics goes back generation upon generation - Something that you seems to set to the side in your one eyed opinion.

Witness the burning of the Quran - They threaten the west to riot and kill - Why - because they want to intimidate - they cannot understand that the burning is by a nutbar of a small fringe sect.

Why do they not understand - They are slaves to the Quran as interpreted by ones who incite.

Oh yeah last point - Check you spelling or do not bring my spelling mistakes up again. OK
 

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The article has more to do with the average American`s denial by refusing to accept that thier gov`s foreign policy is thier worst enemy. Americans should expect more of the same so long as they remain indifferent to the suffering of others brought on by its elected officials.

Again, God Dam America and all it stands for.:canada:





It seems that`s the only thing Americans understand.
http://www.thewarriorsong.com/video.html
 

JBeee

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Naw....today its more like remote controlled drones targeting defenseless villagers by giggling high-school drop-outs a half a world away or cowards a safe enough height, dropping 500lb bombs on innocent civillians...including children.
Oh, and groups of courageous `foot soldiers` on the ground killing innocents for sport and collecting thier body parts for souvenirs.

Its no wonder you Americans are detested by the world over, for you`re abhorrent acts of cowardice.

:canada:

 

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"Witness the burning of the Quran - They threaten the west to riot and kill - Why - because they want to intimidate - they cannot understand that the burning is by a nutbar of a small fringe sect."....

lol...yes Mr Hanky mentioned a few days ago on how this guys threat was a `recruitment tool` for Al-Qaeda...conveniently leaving out US foreign policy as a possible cause as well.:lol:

There are a number of contributing factors that have caused the rise of Fundamentalist Islamic Fanatics - I do not mention the Other Nutbars in Christianity and other religions are we are discussing Islam - US

The no 1 factor is their Govt - next is the policy if in Saudi making the Wahabi version all that is tolerated. Ibn Saud made the deal with the Imams and rode to power.

Then consider from the 12th century forward where Islam went from leading the scientific world in a number of areas to where they are so far behind many countries today. They change a Govt and what happens - a different set of people who are corrupt are now in power.

They hate other Muslims that are not of the Sect that they are. Look to Pakistan, Saudi and Iran for clear examples of how and what happens to Muslim minorities


Many in these countries cannot understand anyone having the right to burn a Quran, or publish a Cartoon which was then changed by radicals before spreading it around the Mid East -

They state they have tolerance - Complete BS - Tolerance as long as you do not offend me, or my religion and on and on.

Many have no tolerance and are herded like lemmings by the local Govts, Imams and their Clans.

It will take a long time for many in the Mid East to understand what the separation of Church/Mosque and State means.