Blah! just like you to use the word sin. Answer the question and stop beating around the burning bush! What do you base your belief that homosexuality is wrong? Hey but take ladyc advice don't bother answering, because I already know where you get it from. And in that is the danger to every free thinking person on this planet.
The Pope Has Passed On
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Religion in the Gov't eh? I thinke we may be able to learn from the mistakes from our bretheren to the south:
RB,
Again, your assertions are nice but please follow them up with proof that the Church and JP II in particular has told AIDS patients that they cannot use condoms. I will acknowledge they aren't in favour of condoms because they are "anti-life". However, having said that, AIDS is also anti-life and so I believe that the stance in regard to AIDS isn't what you think it is.
Both you and Pea seem to be good at putting words in other people's mouths. How about showing me(call me Thomas) where the Pope has said that married couples who suffer from AIDS and use condoms are going to hell.
Again, your assertions are nice but please follow them up with proof that the Church and JP II in particular has told AIDS patients that they cannot use condoms. I will acknowledge they aren't in favour of condoms because they are "anti-life". However, having said that, AIDS is also anti-life and so I believe that the stance in regard to AIDS isn't what you think it is.
Both you and Pea seem to be good at putting words in other people's mouths. How about showing me(call me Thomas) where the Pope has said that married couples who suffer from AIDS and use condoms are going to hell.
RE: The Pope Has Passed O
My definition of sin, at least one my definitions, is inflicting suffering and death on people because you have a funny hat an an ancient book of mythology.
My definition of sin, at least one my definitions, is inflicting suffering and death on people because you have a funny hat an an ancient book of mythology.
Hey tibear go read this about your wonderful pope
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/thismodern-daypopeisnoangel.html :wink: [/quote]
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/thismodern-daypopeisnoangel.html :wink: [/quote]
Pea,
Directly pulled from other thread(Do you see any mention of the word bible or hell??):
From a human rights perspective, could anyone please explain to me the difference between same-sex couples having the right to choose their partners and polygamy couples having the right to choose their partners?
Taking it a step further could anyone please explain to me the difference between a same-sex couple and say two adult siblings wanting to have their "relationship" legally recognized??
Many people who support same-sex marriages are opposed to these relationships however, I haven't heard their arguements which differentiates their relationships from the others.
Directly pulled from other thread(Do you see any mention of the word bible or hell??):
From a human rights perspective, could anyone please explain to me the difference between same-sex couples having the right to choose their partners and polygamy couples having the right to choose their partners?
Taking it a step further could anyone please explain to me the difference between a same-sex couple and say two adult siblings wanting to have their "relationship" legally recognized??
Many people who support same-sex marriages are opposed to these relationships however, I haven't heard their arguements which differentiates their relationships from the others.
Interesting bit of writing. Lots of leading statements that don't appear to have any real backing.mrmom2 said:
Am I to conclude that the 2nd John Paul murdered the first one? That seems to be the hoped-for result.
RE: The Pope Has Passed O
It is the same argument promoted by those on the radical Christian right who have been trying to derail the process of ensuring all Canadians have equal rights under the charter, tibear.
The inference is clear...you are borrowing their misleading rhetoric to put forth their point of view, yet you are denying that your position is informed by the belief system that informs both your position and theirs.
It is the same argument promoted by those on the radical Christian right who have been trying to derail the process of ensuring all Canadians have equal rights under the charter, tibear.
The inference is clear...you are borrowing their misleading rhetoric to put forth their point of view, yet you are denying that your position is informed by the belief system that informs both your position and theirs.
Deny Deny deny Cmon he didn't know what it was for ?Okay and i got some land for sale for ya ! Of course its 60 years old but i would bet 90% of the people in this forum have never heard that !What about the Pope calling for a new world order? :roll:
Actually radio Netherlands played a bit on the subject a few nights ago and an african man was interviewed regarding the subject. You see he contracted aids about 10-12 years ago and is married. He uses a condom with his wife but had to face excommunication from the community church because of his decision. His wife has never contracted the disease because of the protection and he grudgeingly accepts that he cannot go to church now with the rest of the community.
RB,
I've never "borrowed" these beliefs from anyone. They are beliefs I've held for years.
I offer you the same challenge, please find one bible quote or reference to hell in any of my posts before you use my religious faith against me in a debate.
I've never "borrowed" these beliefs from anyone. They are beliefs I've held for years.
I offer you the same challenge, please find one bible quote or reference to hell in any of my posts before you use my religious faith against me in a debate.
RE: The Pope Has Passed O
I said that you borrowed their misleading rhetoric, not their beliefs.
You've just admitted that your position, which you wish to use to create legislation, is based on your religious beliefs though. Thanks for that.
I said that you borrowed their misleading rhetoric, not their beliefs.
You've just admitted that your position, which you wish to use to create legislation, is based on your religious beliefs though. Thanks for that.
Jo,
There are many local priests who make up their own beliefs. I even know one priest who "blessed" a couple that was living together but they didn't want to get married because it wasn't convenient.
These priests make things up as they go and don't follow the Church guidelines. It is almost impossible to control every single priest in every parish and some of their teachings to their congregations.
There are many local priests who make up their own beliefs. I even know one priest who "blessed" a couple that was living together but they didn't want to get married because it wasn't convenient.
These priests make things up as they go and don't follow the Church guidelines. It is almost impossible to control every single priest in every parish and some of their teachings to their congregations.
create legislation, is based on your religious beliefs though. Thanks for that.
And that folks is why I say what I think. Usually I don't it always leads to the kind of thing that went on in this thread. I personally will do anything I can to prevent anyone from trying to create legislation based on religious beliefs. The CHURCH does not belong in the state.
And that folks is why I say what I think. Usually I don't it always leads to the kind of thing that went on in this thread. I personally will do anything I can to prevent anyone from trying to create legislation based on religious beliefs. The CHURCH does not belong in the state.
Ride A Pale Horse, by Milton William Cooper... this was one of the sources for the bit on the Pope that mrmom2 posted. Let's have a look-see at what sort of person is qualified to judge the man, shall we?
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html
Yup.... this looks like the perfect guy to discredit the Pope. :lol:
Well, that sounds a tad familiar. :wink:
Hmmm... credible source to base an opinion on.
It just gets better and better. 8)
All quotes are from here...
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html
Yup.... this looks like the perfect guy to discredit the Pope. :lol:
RB,Pea,
When I was talking about beliefs I was talking about human rights beliefs and NOT religious beliefs.
Surely, you can understand that a person can have both of these different beliefs. Perhaps not.
I will acknowledge that a a person who is truly religious does try to bring their faith into everything they do. Remember the love and respect that we talked about earlier??
When I was talking about beliefs I was talking about human rights beliefs and NOT religious beliefs.
Surely, you can understand that a person can have both of these different beliefs. Perhaps not.
I will acknowledge that a a person who is truly religious does try to bring their faith into everything they do. Remember the love and respect that we talked about earlier??