The 'Official' Quit Picking On Trump Thread

[davesmom]

So, what do you think of Trump's ethics? Let's forget his racism, sexism, and general creepiness for the moment, how 'bout his ethics?

Like the piano dealer he stiffed?

Like the window washer he stiffed?

Like his long track record of making contracts, getting the work done for him, then saying "I'll pay you something less than I agreed. If you don't like it, sue me."

Now, I'm sure you already have the reply screen up, and are a half-dozen lines into your screed on Clinton's ethics. Erase it. The question was about Trump's ethics. If your only answer is a tu quoque fallacy, don't embarrass yourself and bore me.

I would like to see some actual proof of the allegations against Trump. Someone saying, 'he did this or that to me' is not proof; it is at best indicative of a misunderstanding or disagreement. There have been tens of thousands of workers of all kinds who have worked for Trump and have no complaint or have even praised him.
All of these allegations are nothing more than political propaganda, imo, and I see the proof of that every time I listen to CNN.

For example, people still go on about his 'fight' with the Khan family. I never could see what he said that was insulting of demeaning.


Another example; they are now saying he called victims of PTS 'weak. Well that's not what he said at all. I heard what he said. it was, 'Some are stronger and not bothered by what they have seen, some are weaker and can't deal with it'.
That is nothing but a fact. . It is in no way demeaning to those who are affected by it.


Then there are the critics who attack his methods of doing business. As Trump himself said, he did what any smart business man would do according to the law. He was working in the best interests of his companies, his investors, his family, his workers. But he said, 'I am not working for myself anymore; now I am working for YOU.'
What's wrong with that?


If previous administrations had been working for the people rather than their own interests, would the country be in the mess it is in today?

 

[JLM]

So, what do you think of Trump's ethics? Let's forget his racism, sexism, and general creepiness for the moment, how 'bout his ethics?

Like the piano dealer he stiffed?

Like the window washer he stiffed?

Like his long track record of making contracts, getting the work done for him, then saying "I'll pay you something less than I agreed. If you don't like it, sue me."

Now, I'm sure you already have the reply screen up, and are a half-dozen lines into your screed on Clinton's ethics. Erase it. The question was about Trump's ethics. If your only answer is a tu quoque fallacy, don't embarrass yourself and bore me.

I would imagine his ethics are about as ethical as most politicians- somewhere between C- and D+!. As for individual incidents I'd want to confirm the veracity ( beyond Hillary said so) before making a judgment. My gut feeling is overall he's probably 50% less sleazy than Hillary. P.S. Any transactions with him I'd have to get in writing.

I would like to see some actual proof of the allegations against Trump. Someone saying, 'he did this or that to me' is not proof; it is at best indicative of a misunderstanding or disagreement. There have been tens of thousands of workers of all kinds who have worked for Trump and have no complaint or have even praised him.
All of these allegations are nothing more than political propaganda, imo, and I see the proof of that every time I listen to CNN.

Generally coincide with my thoughts, although I think you rate him slightly higher than I do. I might go as far as to say he's a typical politician and not as bad as the worst of them. A statesman he is NOT.

 

[gopher]

tHEENKING RULES GOPH, YOU KNOW THAT, have you got a woman yet?

alas, still looking for a wealthy wife - as always, just to prove I am not prejudiced, she can be a wealthy Republican

 

[pgs]

I would imagine his ethics are about as ethical as most politicians- somewhere between C- and D+!. As for individual incidents I'd want to confirm the veracity ( beyond Hillary said so) before making a judgment. My gut feeling is overall he's probably 50% less sleazy than Hillary. P.S. Any transactions with him I'd have to get in writing.




Generally coincide with my thoughts, although I think you rate him slightly higher than I do. I might go as far as to say he's a typical politician and not as bad as the worst of them. A statesman he is NOT.

No , one thing for sure the Donald is not up to this point a typical politician . He may well turn into one .
But to this point he is the only one I have seen that breezed through primary season without a HUGGGe PSA .
He is also the only one that has not bowed down to the press .
Not typical at all .

 

[gopher]

That's your Republican hero!

... a thought occurred to me: Minnesota's Michelle Bachmann said Trump was God's chosen candidate. I wonder what she's thinking now ...

 

[pgs]

That's your Republican hero!

... a thought occurred to me: Minnesota's Michelle Bachmann said Trump was God's chosen candidate. I wonder what she's thinking now ...

Don't you admire the female form ?
Do you ever express that admiration ?
How exactly do you express it ?

 

[gopher]

Don'cha worry pgs, I'm not running for the presidency.




As for Dump, even the far right Hugh Hewitt says he should quit:



https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/784767614589415424

 

[JLM]

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

 

[pgs]

Don'cha worry pgs, I'm not running for the presidency.




As for Dump, even the far right Hugh Hewitt says he should quit:



https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/784767614589415424

Of course but then again I think Hillary should quit as well . What do you say , get both out >

 

[tay]

 

[gopher]

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

Dump only said he apologizes if anyone was offended. He did not apologize for making the statement.

Of course but then again I think Hillary should quit as well . What do you say , get both out >

Why? Hillary said nothing about grabbing p◇ssy.

 

[davesmom]

Dump only said he apologizes if anyone was offended. He did not apologize for making the statement.

You missed it. In one of his several apologies, he said he was sorry for what he said. .

 

[Dixie Cup]

Re: Who Hates Trump the Most?

Not so.
Too many western people have had it to easy and are now lazy, more have to starve before they learn to pick up their socks and get motivated to work hard and start to accumulate wealth.

There is some truth to what you say - our society has become one of "entitlements" so those who work hard to attain a better life are penalized; those who do not get to ride the gravy train.


Not everyone, mind you - I admit its a generalization. But it seems more and more so and the politicians and academics are to blame. They encourage the "not my fault" scenario.


I have worked my butt off since I was 15 - worked two jobs when required, went back to school on my own - no gov't handouts, no student loans - to get where I am now. I'm FINALLY making a comfortable living and now the government wants to tax the hell out of me. For what?? What did I work so hard for?


I'd like to retire eventually but as things are going, (like the carbon tax), I'll likely have to work until I die! Enjoy retirement? Not unless I become a member of the "super rich". I see more and more seniors working at least part-time because things have gotten so expensive they can't afford to live on their pensions. It's sad!


JMHO

 

[bluebyrd35]

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

Hmmm.....my idea of character is having no need to apologize for denigrating persons, never mind whole groups of people. How dangerous is a President who has to apologize for repeatedly foul mouthing, individuals, groups, and countries for being who and what they are?? A future President should not still be in the spoilt child phase of life. It is not funny either in a child or an adult, never mind someone who wants to be President. Such behavior in a child, the first time generally gets a warning, second time deserves a reprimand, a third time a punishment to make sure said child is aware of how dreadful such behavior truly is.

In a adult, it indicates no impulse control. With the resources to do immense damage, these are NOT admirable traits.

 

[pgs]

Hmmm.....my idea of character is having no need to apologize for denigrating persons, never mind whole groups of people. How dangerous is a President who has to apologize for repeatedly foul mouthing, individuals, groups, and countries for being who and what they are?? A future President should not still be in the spoilt child phase of life. It is not funny either in a child or an adult, never mind someone who wants to be President. Such behavior in a child, the first time generally gets a warning, second time deserves a reprimand, a third time a punishment to make sure said child is aware of how dreadful such behavior truly is.

In a adult, it indicates no impulse control. With the resources to do immense damage, these are NOT admirable traits.

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .

The last line should read . You would support the behavior listed above .

 

[bluebyrd35]

Yet you are fine with , a nominee who destroyed evidence . Lied under oath . Blamed a mentally unstable filmmaker for Behngazi . Laughed at a 12 year old rape survivor .

You would the above .


The last line should read . You would support the behavior listed above .

LOL, I do not have to make the choice, thankfully. The only choice is the least dangerous. So which do YOU think that is.

By the way if the evidence was destroyed how does anyone know if it would have been of wrong doing??

 

[JLM]

You missed it. In one of his several apologies, he said he was sorry for what he said. .

Personally I don't think he should have apologized for what was said in the company of the boys 11 years ago - maybe the person who should be apologizing is the scumbag who broadcasted it to the whole wide world.

 

[pgs]

LOL, I do not have to make the choice, thankfully. The only choice is the least dangerous. So which do YOU think that is.

By the way if the evidence was destroyed how does anyone know if it would have been of wrong doing??

Why would they destroy it if it didn't ?
I don't think either candidate is especially dangerous .
Congress and Senate still control the purse strings and the ability to bring forth legislation .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Trump made a mistake 11 years ago, admitted it, apologized and promised to do better. That in itself shows character and a lot of moxie and gumption. Now people should shut up and quit being hypocrites!

"He said he was real sorry he hit me and promised it'll never happen again, so I stayed."

Don't you admire the female form ?
Do you ever express that admiration ?
How exactly do you express it ?

Well, not by committing felony sexual assault.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Why would they destroy it if it didn't ?
I don't think either candidate is especially dangerous .
Congress and Senate still control the purse strings and the ability to bring forth legislation .

Well, if I had been posting here for quite awhile and then discovered it was illegal, I would certainly destroy my participation. Remember Hillary claims she did not know it was a no,no. Most people do try to live within the law and usually stop when they find out is is unlawful.

Oh so someone who deliberately offends repeatedly is not dangerous when using insults instead of diplomacy in expressing whatever happens to be flitting through the brain. Think about another world war would be like with the sort of weapons now available to so many governments.

Personally I don't think he should have apologized for what was said in the company of the boys 11 years ago - maybe the person who should be apologizing is the scumbag who broadcasted it to the whole wide world.

I guess you are for letting a person's character being hidden until after election to government?? Gee dumb me, I thought choosing the best candidate for the job was why we vote. How else do we do that without reviewing their past??