Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
You're an idiot.. obviously pass down in your gene-pole
You're an idiot.. obviously pass down in your gene-pole
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Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
I don't have a gene-pole
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Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
Wow, what a genius. You can spot good farmland at a glance. To hell with soil testing.
This would require several brooms.
What a waste of good farmland.
Wow, what a genius. You can spot good farmland at a glance. To hell with soil testing.
Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
Yup. Healthy noxious weeds are a dead give away Poopsie.
Yup. Healthy noxious weeds are a dead give away Poopsie.
Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
You need only to look to the Ontario for a model on what not to do. Start, by not rushing headlong into the abyss without a clear and concise plan. Get the best bang for your buck. Make sure the energy your producing is cost effective. Don't shut off the main source of energy before you have a workable replacement.
The problem with the Ontario Plan is that it wasn't based on the environment, it was based on the arrogance of Liberal Party thirst for an environmental legacy. In doing so, they shut down coal fire plants before they had the replacement energy ready and that prompted them into buying technology that was ridiculously overpriced and had no bidding competition. They then stuffed numerous windmills into areas of contention, where they would be challenged in court and made to sit dormant while the government continued to pay 60 - 80 grand a year of taxpayer money per idle windmill.
I think wind technology and solar technology are a good thing, and on the prairies there is ample room and plenty of wind to harness the energy. I just hope they don't put legacy before common sense, because Ontario has shown very clearly how not to do the right thing.
You need only to look to the Ontario for a model on what not to do. Start, by not rushing headlong into the abyss without a clear and concise plan. Get the best bang for your buck. Make sure the energy your producing is cost effective. Don't shut off the main source of energy before you have a workable replacement.
The problem with the Ontario Plan is that it wasn't based on the environment, it was based on the arrogance of Liberal Party thirst for an environmental legacy. In doing so, they shut down coal fire plants before they had the replacement energy ready and that prompted them into buying technology that was ridiculously overpriced and had no bidding competition. They then stuffed numerous windmills into areas of contention, where they would be challenged in court and made to sit dormant while the government continued to pay 60 - 80 grand a year of taxpayer money per idle windmill.
I think wind technology and solar technology are a good thing, and on the prairies there is ample room and plenty of wind to harness the energy. I just hope they don't put legacy before common sense, because Ontario has shown very clearly how not to do the right thing.
Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
It should be government subsidies rather than private contracts.
It should be government subsidies rather than private contracts.
Alberta oilpatch workers not getting any sympathy from Canadians
Gee, I wonder why...
Letter from oilpatch worker to Trudeau incites backlash
A plea to the federal government to ease Alberta's economic pain isn't getting much sympathy from readers, according to the oilpatch worker who wrote an open letter to Justin Trudeau, appealing for assistance in the ailing energy sector.
"I've seen a lot support from the west, in the prairie provinces, but outside the prairie provinces, outside of oil country, it's mixed reviews," said Lloydminster's Ken Cundliffe during a Tuesday morning interview on Edmonton AM.
"I finally brought myself to read a few comments online last night and it looks like it's going to be pretty challenging to try to convince Canadians from outside the oil provinces that we could use some assistance."
Cundliffe's letter paints a grim picture of Alberta: families are struggling to cope, crime is escalating, even suicides rates are on the rise. Since the letter posted was posted to Facebook on Jan. 10, it's been shared nearly 10,000 times.
A Husky Oil operator, Cundliffe said he's disappointed to see backlash from commenters who aren't convinced that Alberta is deserving of federal assistance.
"They say, 'Alberta has made their bed. They've got oil for their economy. When it crashes, why should we bail you out?'"
Cundliffe said attacks on the character of Alberta oil workers have been even more disconcerting.
Many readers believe that struggling oil workers have frittered away their oil wages and "only have themselves to blame" for any financial problems, he said.
"Not everyone is like that. Not everyone has bought the big trucks and wasted their money. There's a lot of young families that are hurting. I don't know how to get that stereotype stopped," said Cundliffe.
"I've seen some of those criticisms of myself, and I don't think I should have to explain myself. I don't want to be ashamed of what I have. I've worked hard but if I lose my job tomorrow, things can change very quickly."
Although his letter is short on solutions for Alberta's financial woes, Cundliffe does suggest several policies be adopted.
Among them, he suggested a review of both the equalization payment system and the cap on the length of employment insurance.
Although Trudeau has not directly acknowledged Cundliffe's letter, he has waded into the debate around the energy sector's ongoing financial crisis.
When questioned about his priorities for Alberta during a Monday cabinet retreat in New Brunswick, Trudeau acknowledged the need for more financial support in the oilsands sector, and promised to travel to the province in the coming months.
"It's good that he's acknowledging that Alberta is struggling," said Cundliffe. "but hopefully, it's not just talk, hopefully it's more than that."
Letter from oilpatch worker to Trudeau incites backlash - Edmonton - CBC News
Gee, I wonder why...
Letter from oilpatch worker to Trudeau incites backlash
A plea to the federal government to ease Alberta's economic pain isn't getting much sympathy from readers, according to the oilpatch worker who wrote an open letter to Justin Trudeau, appealing for assistance in the ailing energy sector.
"I've seen a lot support from the west, in the prairie provinces, but outside the prairie provinces, outside of oil country, it's mixed reviews," said Lloydminster's Ken Cundliffe during a Tuesday morning interview on Edmonton AM.
"I finally brought myself to read a few comments online last night and it looks like it's going to be pretty challenging to try to convince Canadians from outside the oil provinces that we could use some assistance."
Cundliffe's letter paints a grim picture of Alberta: families are struggling to cope, crime is escalating, even suicides rates are on the rise. Since the letter posted was posted to Facebook on Jan. 10, it's been shared nearly 10,000 times.
A Husky Oil operator, Cundliffe said he's disappointed to see backlash from commenters who aren't convinced that Alberta is deserving of federal assistance.
"They say, 'Alberta has made their bed. They've got oil for their economy. When it crashes, why should we bail you out?'"
Cundliffe said attacks on the character of Alberta oil workers have been even more disconcerting.
Many readers believe that struggling oil workers have frittered away their oil wages and "only have themselves to blame" for any financial problems, he said.
"Not everyone is like that. Not everyone has bought the big trucks and wasted their money. There's a lot of young families that are hurting. I don't know how to get that stereotype stopped," said Cundliffe.
"I've seen some of those criticisms of myself, and I don't think I should have to explain myself. I don't want to be ashamed of what I have. I've worked hard but if I lose my job tomorrow, things can change very quickly."
Although his letter is short on solutions for Alberta's financial woes, Cundliffe does suggest several policies be adopted.
Among them, he suggested a review of both the equalization payment system and the cap on the length of employment insurance.
Although Trudeau has not directly acknowledged Cundliffe's letter, he has waded into the debate around the energy sector's ongoing financial crisis.
When questioned about his priorities for Alberta during a Monday cabinet retreat in New Brunswick, Trudeau acknowledged the need for more financial support in the oilsands sector, and promised to travel to the province in the coming months.
"It's good that he's acknowledging that Alberta is struggling," said Cundliffe. "but hopefully, it's not just talk, hopefully it's more than that."
Letter from oilpatch worker to Trudeau incites backlash - Edmonton - CBC News
Re: Alberta oilpatch workers not getting any sympathy from Canadians
Sorry you missed that. Hope I helped.
I think the whole point of the OP is that Alberta roughnecks aren't well off.
Sorry you missed that. Hope I helped.
Re: Alberta oilpatch workers not getting any sympathy from Canadians
Over the years, Alberta has transferred billions of dollars to the other provinces. Unfortunately, the "goose that laid that golden egg" is on the verge of dying and it doesn't look very good for the long-term. So, once the money stops, maybe people will pay more attention and realize that EVERYONE benefited from a strong Alberta economy, oil or not. At least we had it good at various times - can't say that for some provinces who have been "have not" forever. What's wrong with them?
Politicians blew it over the years and it looks like they'll continue to do so much to my chagrin. We needed another Lougheed and didn't get one. Now we have a government who will likely make things even worse, thinking they can spend their way out of this recession but hey, they were voted in so we must suffer the consequences. So hang on to your hats! It's gonna be interesting for sure!
JMHO
Over the years, Alberta has transferred billions of dollars to the other provinces. Unfortunately, the "goose that laid that golden egg" is on the verge of dying and it doesn't look very good for the long-term. So, once the money stops, maybe people will pay more attention and realize that EVERYONE benefited from a strong Alberta economy, oil or not. At least we had it good at various times - can't say that for some provinces who have been "have not" forever. What's wrong with them?
Politicians blew it over the years and it looks like they'll continue to do so much to my chagrin. We needed another Lougheed and didn't get one. Now we have a government who will likely make things even worse, thinking they can spend their way out of this recession but hey, they were voted in so we must suffer the consequences. So hang on to your hats! It's gonna be interesting for sure!
JMHO
Re: Alberta oilpatch workers not getting any sympathy from Canadians
We'll add that to the long list of things Wally misses.
We'll add that to the long list of things Wally misses.
Re: Alberta oilpatch workers not getting any sympathy from Canadians
Lots of Rig Hands, Consultants, Engineers, etc...that have been
out'a their jobs for a year or more now. I know several that have
caught work in other industries here in Sk driving cement trucks
and crushing gravel, etc....and only know of two that're back to
work in their previous jobs.....sort of.
One guy (Engineer) got 18 days work recently and might not get
more for several months, & luckily that's not his only gig.
Another is back on his rig recently, drilling for Nat. Gas....but these
are exceptions to the rule.
It's all the other people in the service industries that rely on the
folks in the oil industry to spend their money that are hurting too.
There's a town in Sk called Unity that I work close to often. Up to
a year ago it was a busy prosperous place, and today between a
1/4 to 1/3 of all business's that where there last year are gone.
Restaurants, clothing stores, the lumber yard, furniture store, and
others....closed. These are the things I'm assuming most folks
don't picture when they think of oil workers out of work.
Lots of Rig Hands, Consultants, Engineers, etc...that have been
out'a their jobs for a year or more now. I know several that have
caught work in other industries here in Sk driving cement trucks
and crushing gravel, etc....and only know of two that're back to
work in their previous jobs.....sort of.
One guy (Engineer) got 18 days work recently and might not get
more for several months, & luckily that's not his only gig.
Another is back on his rig recently, drilling for Nat. Gas....but these
are exceptions to the rule.
It's all the other people in the service industries that rely on the
folks in the oil industry to spend their money that are hurting too.
There's a town in Sk called Unity that I work close to often. Up to
a year ago it was a busy prosperous place, and today between a
1/4 to 1/3 of all business's that where there last year are gone.
Restaurants, clothing stores, the lumber yard, furniture store, and
others....closed. These are the things I'm assuming most folks
don't picture when they think of oil workers out of work.
Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
In Ontario it was government subsidized and consumer subsidized.
The owner of the array I posted earlier paid out $80000. for the whole thing but was guaranteed...(don't know the exact amount) but it came out to three times the customer rate for whatever he sold to hydro for 7 years...
Who do you think is paying for that? ...one way or the other ... the taxpayer...either to the tax man or ontario hydro.
Who got the contract? an outfit from Korea
I found out about that when I got locked out of Facebook :lol:
That movable array was computer controlled over wi-fi and I managed to get in...(not sayin' how) and went on facebook
Later that day I was at the stage area and too far to get wi fi so I went on data to post pictures on facebook and I get a warning that because of some unauthorized access I was locked out until I could get on my regular PC and reset the password...
It didn't take long for the light to come on, and as soon as I got back to my trailer and checked the I.P. address of the wi fi I had logged on and find out that the server is in south Korea.....
No wonder....they locked me out....who can travel from south Korea to Canada in a few hours......a month and half later when I got back home I reset the password....
In Ontario it was government subsidized and consumer subsidized.
The owner of the array I posted earlier paid out $80000. for the whole thing but was guaranteed...(don't know the exact amount) but it came out to three times the customer rate for whatever he sold to hydro for 7 years...
Who do you think is paying for that? ...one way or the other ... the taxpayer...either to the tax man or ontario hydro.
Who got the contract? an outfit from Korea
I found out about that when I got locked out of Facebook :lol:
That movable array was computer controlled over wi-fi and I managed to get in...(not sayin' how) and went on facebook
Later that day I was at the stage area and too far to get wi fi so I went on data to post pictures on facebook and I get a warning that because of some unauthorized access I was locked out until I could get on my regular PC and reset the password...
It didn't take long for the light to come on, and as soon as I got back to my trailer and checked the I.P. address of the wi fi I had logged on and find out that the server is in south Korea.....
No wonder....they locked me out....who can travel from south Korea to Canada in a few hours......a month and half later when I got back home I reset the password....
Re: Solar energy set to shine in greener Alberta
Why the price of oil will recover faster than you think - 24News.ca
Why the price of oil will recover faster than you think - 24News.ca
Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
"This is just a temporary downturn."
-- Stephen Harper
Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
The slump in oil prices is starting to reverse migration patterns among the provinces.
Mass layoffs in the energy sector are leading people to move from Alberta to British Columbia and Ontario, bucking a decades-long trend of people flocking to the western province.
“There is a very clear correlation between migration and oil prices,” said Benjamin Tal, deputy chief economist with Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. “When oil prices go up, everybody is going to Alberta. When [oil] goes down, they leave. And that is exactly what we are seeing.”
'Not our first rodeo': Alberta NDP on forecasting price of oil and its impact on budget(CP Video)
When oil was steadily climbing from 2000 through 2014, Alberta experienced large waves of migration from other provinces. For five of those years, Alberta saw net inflows topping 30,000 people. Now, far fewer people are moving to the province, following oil’s precipitous drop. According to the Bank of Canada’s Monetary Policy Report, net interprovincial migration to Alberta in the third quarter of 2015 was at its lowest since 2010.
Since crude started plunging in the summer of 2014, Alberta has shouldered the highest number of job losses in the resources sector. More than 30,000 natural resources jobs have vanished in the past year, sending job seekers fleeing to other parts of Canada. Migration out of the province is expected to accelerate this year amid the weakened jobs market.
“Migration flows tend to lag changes in the labour market,” said Robert Kavcic, senior economist with Bank of Montreal. “We are probably going to see net outflows out of Alberta and back to B.C. and then back to Atlantic Canada, Quebec and Ontario.”
Oil is trading close to $28 (U.S.) a barrel compared with $100 about 18 months ago. Other resource-rich provinces, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador, have also seen substantial job losses owing to the slump in commodity prices.
Unsurprisingly, Ontario experienced the largest inflow of migrants from other parts of Canada, according to the most recent Statistics Canada data. The province’s economic output is expected to grow more than 2 per cent this year, higher than the national average.
Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta - The Globe and Mail
"This is just a temporary downturn."
-- Stephen Harper
Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
The slump in oil prices is starting to reverse migration patterns among the provinces.
Mass layoffs in the energy sector are leading people to move from Alberta to British Columbia and Ontario, bucking a decades-long trend of people flocking to the western province.
“There is a very clear correlation between migration and oil prices,” said Benjamin Tal, deputy chief economist with Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. “When oil prices go up, everybody is going to Alberta. When [oil] goes down, they leave. And that is exactly what we are seeing.”
'Not our first rodeo': Alberta NDP on forecasting price of oil and its impact on budget(CP Video)
When oil was steadily climbing from 2000 through 2014, Alberta experienced large waves of migration from other provinces. For five of those years, Alberta saw net inflows topping 30,000 people. Now, far fewer people are moving to the province, following oil’s precipitous drop. According to the Bank of Canada’s Monetary Policy Report, net interprovincial migration to Alberta in the third quarter of 2015 was at its lowest since 2010.
Since crude started plunging in the summer of 2014, Alberta has shouldered the highest number of job losses in the resources sector. More than 30,000 natural resources jobs have vanished in the past year, sending job seekers fleeing to other parts of Canada. Migration out of the province is expected to accelerate this year amid the weakened jobs market.
“Migration flows tend to lag changes in the labour market,” said Robert Kavcic, senior economist with Bank of Montreal. “We are probably going to see net outflows out of Alberta and back to B.C. and then back to Atlantic Canada, Quebec and Ontario.”
Oil is trading close to $28 (U.S.) a barrel compared with $100 about 18 months ago. Other resource-rich provinces, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador, have also seen substantial job losses owing to the slump in commodity prices.
Unsurprisingly, Ontario experienced the largest inflow of migrants from other parts of Canada, according to the most recent Statistics Canada data. The province’s economic output is expected to grow more than 2 per cent this year, higher than the national average.
Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta - The Globe and Mail
Re: Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
A good portion of Alberta's workforce are economic refugees from every Province in Canada. I was one myself. And yes, I know quite a few that went back to Ontario and to the maritime provinces since the slowdown about a month ago. Many of them are on their way back to run the Ice Roads. Others, a friend of mine Nova Scotia, tried to make a go of it in his home province and almost went bankrupt. He's back driving for someone else.
A good portion of Alberta's workforce are economic refugees from every Province in Canada. I was one myself. And yes, I know quite a few that went back to Ontario and to the maritime provinces since the slowdown about a month ago. Many of them are on their way back to run the Ice Roads. Others, a friend of mine Nova Scotia, tried to make a go of it in his home province and almost went bankrupt. He's back driving for someone else.
Re: Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
This is the problem with the way Alberta's economy is structured.
Everything about the way modern economies are moving tells us that open enterprise and free trade comes with unsustainable consequences and long lasting damage that is actually much worse than any government controlled environment.
It's a nice dream but Alberta is the text book case of why the economy needs to be on a tight leash.
This is the problem with the way Alberta's economy is structured.
Everything about the way modern economies are moving tells us that open enterprise and free trade comes with unsustainable consequences and long lasting damage that is actually much worse than any government controlled environment.
It's a nice dream but Alberta is the text book case of why the economy needs to be on a tight leash.
Re: Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
They should never start building things ever again so 40,000 construction workers never have to be worried about ever getting layed off again?
They should never start building things ever again so 40,000 construction workers never have to be worried about ever getting layed off again?
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Re: Oil price plunge flipping migration patterns with people leaving Alberta
There won't be any truck drivers left in 20 years.
There won't be any truck drivers left in 20 years.