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NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
From Fair Vote Canada
NDP Democratic Reform Critic Craig Scott will introduce the following motion for PR to the House of Commons tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday December 3).
That, in the opinion of the House: (a) the next federal election should be the last conducted under the current first-past-the-post electoral system which has repeatedly delivered a majority of seats to parties supported by a minority of voters, or under any other winner-take-all electoral system; and (b) a form of mixed-member proportional representation would be the best electoral system for Canada."
There will be a two-hour debate 3:15 to 5:30 EST. The vote will occur at 6:45 PM EST
We need you to contact your MP now! Find your MP's phone number and email here. (link is external)
The NDP has committed to implementing Mixed Member Proportional Representation if elected in 2015, with an all-party and citizen task force to create the best design. MMP with open, regional lists (meaning, all MPs are elected by voters and all MPs are local) is the model recommended in 2004 by the Law Commission of Canada (link is external). Eight provincial commissions have also recommended MMP.
The Green Party also supports implementing proportional representation before 2019.
The Liberal Party of Canada is calling for an all-party process involving citizens and experts to look at all electoral reform options - including other winner-take-all systems and proportional systems - in the first 12 months following the 2015 election.
Background:
There are two major families of voting systems in the world: Proportional, and Winner-take-all ("majoritarian/plurality"). All evidence indicates that to replace one winner-take-all voting system with another is simply to replicate almost every problem we face now with first-past-the-post. 10 commissions, 14 years of polls, and decades of research says Canada needs a more proportional solution.
Proportional representation is based on a couple of key principles:
a) Voter equality - your vote should count towards electing a representative you want, and
b) if a party earns 30% of the popular vote, they should earn roughly 30% of the seats.
There are a variety of ways proportional representation could be designed for Canada. Fair Vote Canada does not endorse only one proportional system.Regardless of whether your MP supports Mixed Member Proportional in particular, please urge them to vote YES to this motion if they support the premise that every vote should count. Amendments to motions are possible and a yes vote to this motion will open the door for a process to design the best electoral system for Canada, consistent with Fair Vote Canada's 2015 campaign. Achieving PR will require parties working together in an all party process.
This motion is a reflection of the momentum that is building across the country for votes that count. We need as many MPs to speak in favour of proportional representation as possible to move this issue forward now.Please take a moment to let your MP (link is external) know that you want him or her to be a strong voice for proportional representation.
Thank you for helping us Make 2015 the Last Unfair Election!
From Fair Vote Canada
NDP Democratic Reform Critic Craig Scott will introduce the following motion for PR to the House of Commons tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday December 3).
That, in the opinion of the House: (a) the next federal election should be the last conducted under the current first-past-the-post electoral system which has repeatedly delivered a majority of seats to parties supported by a minority of voters, or under any other winner-take-all electoral system; and (b) a form of mixed-member proportional representation would be the best electoral system for Canada."
There will be a two-hour debate 3:15 to 5:30 EST. The vote will occur at 6:45 PM EST
We need you to contact your MP now! Find your MP's phone number and email here. (link is external)
The NDP has committed to implementing Mixed Member Proportional Representation if elected in 2015, with an all-party and citizen task force to create the best design. MMP with open, regional lists (meaning, all MPs are elected by voters and all MPs are local) is the model recommended in 2004 by the Law Commission of Canada (link is external). Eight provincial commissions have also recommended MMP.
The Green Party also supports implementing proportional representation before 2019.
The Liberal Party of Canada is calling for an all-party process involving citizens and experts to look at all electoral reform options - including other winner-take-all systems and proportional systems - in the first 12 months following the 2015 election.
Background:
There are two major families of voting systems in the world: Proportional, and Winner-take-all ("majoritarian/plurality"). All evidence indicates that to replace one winner-take-all voting system with another is simply to replicate almost every problem we face now with first-past-the-post. 10 commissions, 14 years of polls, and decades of research says Canada needs a more proportional solution.
Proportional representation is based on a couple of key principles:
a) Voter equality - your vote should count towards electing a representative you want, and
b) if a party earns 30% of the popular vote, they should earn roughly 30% of the seats.
There are a variety of ways proportional representation could be designed for Canada. Fair Vote Canada does not endorse only one proportional system.Regardless of whether your MP supports Mixed Member Proportional in particular, please urge them to vote YES to this motion if they support the premise that every vote should count. Amendments to motions are possible and a yes vote to this motion will open the door for a process to design the best electoral system for Canada, consistent with Fair Vote Canada's 2015 campaign. Achieving PR will require parties working together in an all party process.
This motion is a reflection of the momentum that is building across the country for votes that count. We need as many MPs to speak in favour of proportional representation as possible to move this issue forward now.Please take a moment to let your MP (link is external) know that you want him or her to be a strong voice for proportional representation.
Thank you for helping us Make 2015 the Last Unfair Election!
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
I bet a national "yes" "no" campaign on the subject would only help support maintaining the current system. When the arguments are reduced to their talking points, FPTP comes off better.
I bet a national "yes" "no" campaign on the subject would only help support maintaining the current system. When the arguments are reduced to their talking points, FPTP comes off better.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Since the dippers will never form a government what they promise is irrelevant.
Proportional representation is not without it's own set of problems. The main one being just who is your MP/MLA?
Also we would have to go from electing a person to electing a party. I just don't see that happening.
Since the dippers will never form a government what they promise is irrelevant.
Proportional representation is not without it's own set of problems. The main one being just who is your MP/MLA?
Also we would have to go from electing a person to electing a party. I just don't see that happening.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Prop rep will lead directly into a series of ineffective minority-style gvts that will rarely ever get anything accomplished.
Prop rep will lead directly into a series of ineffective minority-style gvts that will rarely ever get anything accomplished.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Like Italy. At one time they had something like 53 parties. Can't remember how many actually has a seat. More than 3 or 4 makes an unwieldy government.
Like Italy. At one time they had something like 53 parties. Can't remember how many actually has a seat. More than 3 or 4 makes an unwieldy government.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Good example... Italy is hanging onto dear life today.
Guess that socialism didn't work out to well for them
Good example... Italy is hanging onto dear life today.
Guess that socialism didn't work out to well for them
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
You know any country that socialism has worked well for except Norway and Sweden, both of which have small populations, small land base and huge oil revenues?
You know any country that socialism has worked well for except Norway and Sweden, both of which have small populations, small land base and huge oil revenues?
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Id take just about anything over FPTP
Does that matter much when in practice most of them are just 'yes men' for their leaders? Individual MPs get next to no autonomy anymore and havent in years.
In practice most vote that way now anyway.
Id take just about anything over FPTP
Does that matter much when in practice most of them are just 'yes men' for their leaders? Individual MPs get next to no autonomy anymore and havent in years.
In practice most vote that way now anyway.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
I do support some ideas of the NDP but not this one. First past the post gives power to the
people more. Yes it means a majority can do whatever but what happens is if they don't
govern responsibly they get a minority as voters get the point across. Don't be surprised if
someday we do get an NDP government anyone can get elected Harper is a prime example
of someone else people are getting tired of If Harpie wins it will likely be with a minority as
older folks are getting nervous about medicare and pensions and programs for seniors.
The two hundred million dollars for Veterans over fifty years is a classic example of deceitful
politics and it casts doubt on the rest of the program.
The NDP has a way to go but then so do the others if they truly want to engage in democracy.
What we really need in some serious civility on all sides of the House until that happens there
won't be a willingness to compromise on anything
I do support some ideas of the NDP but not this one. First past the post gives power to the
people more. Yes it means a majority can do whatever but what happens is if they don't
govern responsibly they get a minority as voters get the point across. Don't be surprised if
someday we do get an NDP government anyone can get elected Harper is a prime example
of someone else people are getting tired of If Harpie wins it will likely be with a minority as
older folks are getting nervous about medicare and pensions and programs for seniors.
The two hundred million dollars for Veterans over fifty years is a classic example of deceitful
politics and it casts doubt on the rest of the program.
The NDP has a way to go but then so do the others if they truly want to engage in democracy.
What we really need in some serious civility on all sides of the House until that happens there
won't be a willingness to compromise on anything
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
That'd be an example of Communism
That'd be an example of Communism
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
If we're getting technical and splitting hairs, Norway and Sweden aren't socialist. They're examples of mixed market economies.
If we're getting technical and splitting hairs, Norway and Sweden aren't socialist. They're examples of mixed market economies.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Sweden and Norway identify themselves as socialist societies.... China identifies itself as Communist
It's no secret that China has a very strong 'capitalist' segment, but they still operate on the fundamentals of Communism
Sweden and Norway identify themselves as socialist societies.... China identifies itself as Communist
It's no secret that China has a very strong 'capitalist' segment, but they still operate on the fundamentals of Communism
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
They can identify however they like, but both Sweden and Norway have a market based system, with some state ownership. And so does China for that matter. The difference is in China the state dominance is much more impactful.
And technically, China has been using the term 'socialist market economy' since the 1980s to describe their economy.
They can identify however they like, but both Sweden and Norway have a market based system, with some state ownership. And so does China for that matter. The difference is in China the state dominance is much more impactful.
And technically, China has been using the term 'socialist market economy' since the 1980s to describe their economy.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
North Korea and East Germany described themselves as Democratic, that doesnt make it so.
North Korea and East Germany described themselves as Democratic, that doesnt make it so.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
NK is a democracy... Only one voter, but it's all legit
NK is a democracy... Only one voter, but it's all legit
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Given the massive amounts of poverty, pollution and oppression there I'd hardly call China a success in that department. Its alright if you live near the coasts or in a major city but most dont. If you are born on a farming village in the middle of nowhere China you are pretty well screwed when it comes to economic opportunities.
Given the massive amounts of poverty, pollution and oppression there I'd hardly call China a success in that department. Its alright if you live near the coasts or in a major city but most dont. If you are born on a farming village in the middle of nowhere China you are pretty well screwed when it comes to economic opportunities.
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
Really?
I'm surprised you think so.
I have no problem with FPTP.........but given control of the matter, I'd go with the preferential ballot.
NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
should read
NDP has committed to Proportional Representation until elected under FPTP
same as every other minor party
Really?
I'm surprised you think so.
I have no problem with FPTP.........but given control of the matter, I'd go with the preferential ballot.
NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
should read
NDP has committed to Proportional Representation until elected under FPTP
same as every other minor party
Re: NDP has committed to Proportional Representation if elected in 2015
That and it only works well for certain party members.
BC once tried to change the system. The people voted the idea down.
That and it only works well for certain party members.
BC once tried to change the system. The people voted the idea down.