The NDP will get their Debate

[Hank C]

I suppose I would have respect for Layton and his gang if they even cared one inkling about our military. They don't! Heck they don't even understand our military, so why should anyone expect them to support our troops.

coulden't say it better my self......the NDP represents for the most part the extreme urban left (feminists, homosexuals ect...) one cannot expect them to give a rats ass about our military.....in their minds they are fighting a war against our friends to the south :roll:

Using stockwell day in your quote, and knowing you come from the best fascist place in canada, which is calgary, means your arguement worth absotly nothing, except garbage.

Is the quote I am using untrue, or is the name of the person who said it really what sets you off? How is Calgary the "best fascist place in Canada"?

The point I was trying to make with my post was that Layton is attempting to take advantage of a public who for the most part are uneducated on the mission in Afghanistan ( you can see it is more about defying the US when you hear things like, it is an "American war", and "I though our mandate was to peacekeep"). But then he is politican, what do you expect. He is attempting to tap into the urban leftist extremist vote, just like the Conservatives do with suburban and rural Canada, as the Liberals do by appealing to crooks and stealing our money. :lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

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Aeon appears to have a difficulty in understanding where the fascists are in this great nation of ours...you and I have a duty to correct him.

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Good post Jay as always.

 

[BitWhys]

The point I was trying to make with my post was that Layton is attempting to take advantage of a public who for the most part are uneducated on the mission in Afghanistan

funny how he managed to represent my interests in the process. what are the odds?

( you can see it is more about defying the US when you hear things like, it is an "American war", and "I though our mandate was to peacekeep").

he said those things?

 

[Hank C]

The point I was trying to make with my post was that Layton is attempting to take advantage of a public who for the most part are uneducated on the mission in Afghanistan

funny how he managed to represent my interests in the process. what are the odds?

( you can see it is more about defying the US when you hear things like, it is an "American war", and "I though our mandate was to peacekeep").

he said those things?

no he did not say those things, I was referring to the Canadian public

 

[Hank C]

but seeing as how your an NDP supporter, I gotta ask you. Do you support the mission in Afghanistan? Should we pull out? why?

 

[BitWhys]

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but seeing as how your an NDP supporter, I gotta ask you. Do you support the mission in Afghanistan? Should we pull out? why?

Actually, and I say this with some regret, yes I do and will add I'm disappointed the way things developed. I found this to be a good read on the situation.

Canada's new and dangerous mission in Afghanistan (pdf)

there's talk of NATO finally stepping up this summer.

 

[FiveParadox]

Merit of Debate

It should be interesting to see what sorts of things the Honourable Jack Layton, P.C., M.P., the Member for Toronto—Danforth and Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, are going to have to say; I wonder if perhaps this debate could serve to, maybe, garner more active support for the mission in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan from the New Democratic Party of Canada.

 

[darkbeaver]

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So homosexuals don't support the Canadian Forces, Hank C?

I am surprised at the recent emergence of so many pricks here at Canadian Content.

Five the left the gays the scientists the athehists the envronmentalists the nice people of the world are on your side don't worry about the pricks, there just pricks.
Did you see the news today Judas was a good guy?

 

[FiveParadox]

darkbeaver, despite the fact that my post was inappropriate, so too was your response in favour thereof. I would urge you, as I should urge myself for having wrongly jumped to such conclusions and posted something as such, to consider Wreck Beach to be a forum more appropriate for such things, if we must post them on Canadian Content.

 

[darkbeaver]

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hahahahahahehehehehahahah relax,what was the inappropriate part? I think I even spelled pretty good this time.

 

[aperion]

I far as i can determine the NDP are the true voice of reason and social justice in Canada. A debate about such an important matter as a war seems , in my opinion to be
a natural activity of a trully democratic nation. Politicians should be allowed to question these actions-- and the proponents should also be given an opportuinity to defend them.--its basic

 

[Finder]

This is the worst thread ignorance I have seen from many of you thus far. I am shocked that this community has been dragged threw the dirt.

First of all on the main topic, retired Canadian soldure why are you so scared of democracy! A debate is a healthy thing in a democracy which the Canadian soldurers are fighting for and you fine sir are disgracing the meaning of there fight and the history of the Canadian Armed forces with your anti democractic B.S.

Now onto what chills me to the bone even more. A quote from a long term member of the forum.

"coulden't say it better my self......the NDP represents for the most part the extreme urban left (feminists, homosexuals ect...) one cannot expect them to give a rats ass about our military.....in their minds they are fighting a war against our friends to the south"

Now I can stay a member of a community by debating economic and some poltical rabntings from left to right but this is unbelievable and makes me sick to my stomage. This is the type of garbage I'd find on a Canadian Nazi page. I couldn't even get past those two posts before getting sick.

And yes the NDP stands up for Democracy, Feminism, homosecual rights, the poor the working class, because nobody else will, the liberals or the conservatives.

Anyhow don't bother responding to this as I am not going back into this thread and perhaps not even going to cvome back to this forum if such topics which are so blantly anti-democratic and hateful are going to be the new norm.


Edit: BTW as an NDP MEMBER, I do support our envolvment in Afcanistan though I do see many mistakes we are making while being there. I do support our military, but I support our democracy that much more. Debating an issue doesn't mean you are against it!

 

[aperion]

i personally dont believe that canada should be in afganistan despite UN approval--but--- i recognise that it is a debateble point--

my lord there is certaintly a great deal of anger on this board!

 

[fuzzylogix]

I agree, aperion. I am not sure that Canada should be in Afghaniston either, but as a mere member of the public, I feel limited in the information I can acquire about the situation. Thats why, I personally do not see a problem in debating....isnt that what a parliament is all about? Even with a majority government, there are supposed to be debates. Otherwise it would be a dictatorship with the prime minister making decisions on his/her own.

Ps Im a newbie too. Hi!

 

[aperion]

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I agree, aperion. I am not sure that Canada should be in Afghaniston either, but as a mere member of the public, I feel limited in the information I can acquire about the situation. Thats why, I personally do not see a problem in debating....isnt that what a parliament is all about? Even with a majority government, there are supposed to be debates. Otherwise it would be a dictatorship with the prime minister making decisions on his/her own.

Ps Im a newbie too. Hi!

your not sure---
what do you mean--its obvious we shouldnt be meddling there
its debatable-- but consider the debate over-----

 

[FiveParadox]

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your not sure---
what do you mean--its obvious we shouldnt be meddling there
its debatable-- but consider the debate over-----

I don't quite agree, aperion; I don't think that any matter, other than those that would be discouraged under the sub judice convention (and even there, I would think that there are reasonable limits as to the restrictive nature of debates), should be beyond the scope of what the House of Commons, nor any component of the present or any future Parliament of Canada. To assert otherwise would, in my opinion, threaten the supremacy of Parliament and, therefore, the supremacy of democratic representation in Canada.

 

[bluealberta]

I suppose I would have respect for Layton and his gang if they even cared one inkling about our military. They don't! Heck they don't even understand our military, so why should anyone expect them to support our troops.

coulden't say it better my self......the NDP represents for the most part the extreme urban left (feminists, homosexuals ect...) one cannot expect them to give a rats ass about our military.....in their minds they are fighting a war against our friends to the south :roll:

Using stockwell day in your quote, and knowing you come from the best fascist place in canada, which is calgary, means your arguement worth absotly nothing, except garbage.

Oh please, what the hell does Calgary, or Alberta, have to do with anything about this argument. I get so damn tired of the rest of the country treating the economic engine of this country at the present time like a bunch of hillbillies that it makes me want to reconsider my recent abandonment of separatism. People like you are the ones that stir the pot of separatism, so why don't you actually think before you post or speak. There is nothing fascist about Calgary or Alberta. Your jealousy is showing you for what you are, and it doesn't look good. Maybe you ought to live here in the best province in Canada before you start making unfounded and stupid remarks about it.

 

[bluealberta]

If Canada wants to be treated with respect and have some degree of relevance on the world stage, we must be willing partners in the world with other like minded countries. This means, first of all, that we have got to drop the peacekeeping mantra and call it like it is, peacemaking. When you call yourselves peacekeepers, you intimate that there is a peace to keep. There is no peace in Afghanistan, Iraq, or many other areas in the world. Funny thing is, though, I don't recall this being an issue when the Liberals were in power, nor do I recall this being an issue when the troops were in Yugoslavia. No peacekeeping there either, as I recall.

The hypocrisy of the left really knows no bounds when they want to criticize the current government for something the Liberals did for several years prior to them getting their ass booted out, finally. The bottom line is we are in Afghanistan, so lets support the troops and get the politics out of this issue for now.

 

[mabudon]

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Anyways, lets get out of the talking point, ad hominem attack spin zone and back to a discussion, shall we??

I am of the "debate is a good thing" crowd. The one thing that I think MUST result is some sort of gameplan, the very same "artificial timetable" that folks like George bush reject with highly dubious logic each time it is raised...

I have a LOT of problems with our engagement in that country and do NOT believe we have any right to be there, mush less any actual "duty" but this IS a democracy, and I am not qualified to speak for the whole country, at the same time I am NOT required to give in to bullying and name calling and somehow "realise" that my point of view is "incorrect"

SO gievn that... a timetable, some objectives, that sort of thing would go a long way, and with any REALISTIC plan, we must have methods of measuring succes and/or failure as well as plans for both scenarios.... the reason I have serious doubts about things as they stand is mostly based on the purported goals of the "coalition" and what seems to be the ACTUAL "mission"

I want to know WHAT we are doing there, exactly (AND it is NOT "toppling the taliban", they will NEVER be wiped out totally short of genocide of sorts, it is NOT stopping opium production since that is also an unsubstantiated fantasy occasionally mouthed on news broadcasts, and it is NOT about liberating women, so there HAS to be some actual explanation that makes sense to a smart persons HEAD and not HEART, which seems to be where a lot of support is coming from) and how we'll know when we've done it, OR how we'll know when we've failed and it's hopeless

And to think that there is NO WAY that we can "afford to fail" is kind of silly, is it not??? I mean, there is a chance of failure in al;most every undertaking, and it is prudent to know when you're licked and re-adjust your strategy-

if most folks lived their lives the way the "mission" is being talked about by some folks, all the males here would be in jail for stalking their first girlfriends cos they said the "wanted to be together forever" and insisted on "staying the course no matter what" when things weren't working out... or is the logic that some things can';t NOT work out?? that doesn't make any sense to me, explain how there is NO WAY to fail, either in Afghanistan or in Iraq and I will be a happy man

 

[fuzzylogix]

I agree, Bluealberta, that it is ridiculous to get caught up in semantics, which are always used to euphemistically colour situations. Call it peacekeeping, call it peacemaking, call it ..... WAR.
The question is not WHAT to call it, the questions are Should we be there? Why are we there? Should we stay there? There is no hypocrisy in expecting a government to debate a situation started by someone else. The current government is still now responsible for current decisions. The current government now has to decide which way it shall procede. The current government has chosen to support us being involved in the war, and presumably they are acting for the overall benefit andwith the overall agreement of Canadians. The fact that they dont want to debate this issue suggests that they know that in fact there are many dissenters in Canada.

You state that "the bottom line is we are in Afghanistan"...SO? Does that mean we cant continually reevaluate our role there?

You state that we should get the politics out of this issue for now??? HUH? War is DEFINITELY a political issue that is current history in the making and will seriously affect Canada permanently in the future... How can you just state that now we are in the war, we damn well continue blindly on????? Please correct me in my interpretation of your post!!!