The mistake of scientists about the origin of life.
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Pharaoh also accused Moses that he was a magician, as was Jesus accused of being a magician, possessed and that he wrought his miracles with the aid of Beelzebub: the chief of demons:
It is mentioned it the Gospel according to John:
"Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a demon, and is mad; why hear ye him?
Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the sayings of one possessed with a demon…"
And the ancient Arabs accused Mohammed that he was a magician and sorcerer, as in the Quran 38: 4
Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the sayings of one possessed with a demon…"
And the ancient Arabs accused Mohammed that he was a magician and sorcerer, as in the Quran 38: 4
وَعَجِبُوا أَن جَاءهُم مُّنذِرٌ مِّنْهُمْ وَقَالَ الْكَافِرُونَ هَذَا سَاحِرٌ كَذَّابٌ
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
Granting for the sake of argument that god exists at all (which I don't believe), if the material that you've presented at CC so far is supposed to be evidence in support of your claims that the Quran confirms true science and includes information that is superior to what science currently knows, you should know this:
I'm retired now, after a 35+ year career that involved me deeply in science and technology, and I have relevant post-graduate degrees, so I think I can credibly claim to know what I'm talking about. Everything that you have claimed about science so far is demonstrably false. You are wrong, your sources are wrong, your web site is wrong, you have no comprehension of what you're talking about, because you base it all on a 1500 year old religious text written by people who had no comprehension of modern science, critical thinking, or the rules of evidence. Your views are ignorant and foolish and wrong.
I haven't been here for awhile, but just thought I would check in, and low and behold,
(is that religious?, don't think so), there are my two favourite CLEAR and logical thinking
friends,(gilbert and dexter,) thanks for keeping this forum on a straight and level headed course, as I do think
there are quite a few souls in this world who are floating, floating, floating and do not have a clue, clue, clue.
Gilbert, I'm glad you are back, was worried about you.
(is that religious?, don't think so), there are my two favourite CLEAR and logical thinking
friends,(gilbert and dexter,) thanks for keeping this forum on a straight and level headed course, as I do think
there are quite a few souls in this world who are floating, floating, floating and do not have a clue, clue, clue.
Gilbert, I'm glad you are back, was worried about you.
Dexter, I'm not at all convinced that in the remote past there wasn't a grasp of science on a level exceeding that understood by the authors of our various ancient texts. Some of the old projects are quite impressive and (seem) to exist counter to our accepted views of scientific developement. The plains of Nasca in Peru I believe amply demonstrate this difficulty we have with pinpointing exactly when and who knew what about whichever. In other words human developement does not seem to have proceeded in quite the linear fashion we are accustomed to thinking in terms of.
I agree completely, the people who built places like Stonehenge and the pyramids and Machu Pichu certainly knew a few things, but that's more rule of thumb engineering than science. The ancient Greeks and Romans were pretty good engineers too, but they weren't experimenters. Islamic culture came close to discovering modern science too, at the height of its imperial power a few centuries ago, and most of the names we still use for stars came from that. But science as a systematic method of thinking about and exploring the world and testing it to find out how it works is really only a few centuries old. Sir Isaac Newton bridges the divide between the old magical, mystical ways of thinking and the new experimental and analytical paradigm. He was, arguably, simultaneously the last of the magicians--he spent much of his life pursuing alchemy--and the first real scientist in the modern sense.
This skull is from Cahuachi Peru ruins 350 acres of. Other examples have been found on both sides of the Atlantic. Up to 3500cc brain buckets. This would fit under a wizards hat nicely.
I'm aware of a medical condition which results in a similar deformity, however, in some there are differances reported such as larger eye sockets and slightly different DNA results.
Systematic methods of thinking must have been employed for surveying and celestial observation among other activitys and artifacts of antiquity. I have,(last month) finished a rather heavy book titled Forbidden Archeology, it's quite interesting in that it explains how artifacts were dated and fitted into preexisting timelines, it deals quite a bit with the early days of the science, of particular interest was the habit of trying to make the discoverys conform to church doctrine, the same conformity was applied to the Dead Sea Scrolls. Some of the human fossils have been found in very old strata, and some of the fossils date from strata of the tertiary period. The scroll research was carried out and controled by the Catholics from the beginning nobody knows if in fact they didn't remove from the light of day pieces emberassing to the church.In other words a veery great number of annomolous artifacts cannot be fit into the timelines accepted in orthodox academic circles. The Bhagdad batterys being the most well known example of what I'm talking about. The church was insturmental in retarding science and hiding the past from us, that habit still applys today with respect to our media, we can accept a virgin birth or walking on water without hystercal laughter but we cannot accept a 1500 year old battery or a big skull or evidence of Chinese discovery of the Americas.What's up with that do you suppose? hahaha And while I'm at it the dates for humans in the Americas is not exactly portrayed realisticly of by many thousands of years. DNA results also reveal some very controversial evidence with respect to who might have been where.
I'm aware of a medical condition which results in a similar deformity, however, in some there are differances reported such as larger eye sockets and slightly different DNA results.
Systematic methods of thinking must have been employed for surveying and celestial observation among other activitys and artifacts of antiquity. I have,(last month) finished a rather heavy book titled Forbidden Archeology, it's quite interesting in that it explains how artifacts were dated and fitted into preexisting timelines, it deals quite a bit with the early days of the science, of particular interest was the habit of trying to make the discoverys conform to church doctrine, the same conformity was applied to the Dead Sea Scrolls. Some of the human fossils have been found in very old strata, and some of the fossils date from strata of the tertiary period. The scroll research was carried out and controled by the Catholics from the beginning nobody knows if in fact they didn't remove from the light of day pieces emberassing to the church.In other words a veery great number of annomolous artifacts cannot be fit into the timelines accepted in orthodox academic circles. The Bhagdad batterys being the most well known example of what I'm talking about. The church was insturmental in retarding science and hiding the past from us, that habit still applys today with respect to our media, we can accept a virgin birth or walking on water without hystercal laughter but we cannot accept a 1500 year old battery or a big skull or evidence of Chinese discovery of the Americas.What's up with that do you suppose? hahaha And while I'm at it the dates for humans in the Americas is not exactly portrayed realisticly of by many thousands of years. DNA results also reveal some very controversial evidence with respect to who might have been where.
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I have to say then that your dealing with this subject is not scientific; it does not pertain to science; your saying is wrong, and your opinion is false because you have based it on atheism to which you stick incessantly.
Is this the right way of replying that I say I am retired; I also am retired; you have to know that the science to which you pertain is not confined to some group or person rather than others. You cannot say I am graduated and retired; therefore my words are true and yours are false.
Prophet Noah said to his people [it may be more than 3000-4000 years ago] as in the Glorious Quran 11: 28
قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كُنتُ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّيَ وَآتَانِي رَحْمَةً مِّنْ عِندِهِ فَعُمِّيَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا وَأَنتُمْ لَهَا كَارِهُونَ
eanassir
It may be that some of such human and other fossils and skeleton of Dinosaurs and others; it may be that they came embedded in the mountains which were parts of the broken up planets of the previous solar system. Those planets were inhabited by man, animal and plants so that some of such remnants remained in those parts; as I said in my article: Most of mountains are not from Earth in origin.
eanassir
Well, there's the root of your problem clearly on display: you think those two paragraphs are a logical argument. They're not, they make no sense at all.
You've started five threads purporting to be about scientific matters, four of which you put in the Science & Environment forum, and one in Spirituality & Philosophy where they really all belong. If you'd put them all there I'd have left you alone after a brief exchange, but if you're going to present them as real science I'm going to call you out on them.
You've claimed that the moon protects the earth from comets, comets are fiery hot objects, meteorites don't usually penetrate the earth's surface when they land, comets are attracted to cold places, most of the mountains on earth fell onto it from space as fragments from a destroyed solar system that once occupied this area, that there are human beings on other planets, that life came to earth in those mountains that fell onto it, and a lot of other things. Those are the ones I can remember without going back to reread all your posts. As your authority and source for all these claims, you cite the Quran. All of those claims are false and your arguments and opinions around them are ludicrous. The Quran is not a science book, and your using it as one has led you seriously astray.
eanassir
I have to echo Dexter's comments here. You are talking nonsense to the point of embarrassing yourself.
Surely the various engineering associations around the world and those universities teaching science and engineering, are the authorities on what is, or is not science and engineering. I have a B Sc. in engineering and I have been registered as a professional engineer in four provinces for over thirty years. Dexter has told you a bit about his qualifications. Could you tell us what your particular qualifications are in this field? I ask this, not to put anyone down but to clarify our individual standings in the field.
I have to echo Dexter's comments here. You are talking nonsense to the point of embarrassing yourself.
Surely the various engineering associations around the world and those universities teaching science and engineering, are the authorities on what is, or is not science and engineering. I have a B Sc. in engineering and I have been registered as a professional engineer in four provinces for over thirty years. Dexter has told you a bit about his qualifications. Could you tell us what your particular qualifications are in this field? I ask this, not to put anyone down but to clarify our individual standings in the field.
Shall we then leave the field vacant to atheists to occupy it and cover the science with their atheistic covering: so that they say the creation has been found by chance, and life evolutes spontaneously without any Wise Creator That creates it; then they give their false hypotheses the science cover; which is not right.
The duty of the science and the scientist is to investigate the subject, not to neglect it on the claim that the Quran mentions such points.
However, there had been some "modern" men at the time of Prophet Noah about 4000 years ago, who denied him on the claim that he is not modern!
What I displayed in my topics is to alert them to many important points in the Quran, worthy of studying them seriously.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 6:105
The duty of the science and the scientist is to investigate the subject, not to neglect it on the claim that the Quran mentions such points.
However, there had been some "modern" men at the time of Prophet Noah about 4000 years ago, who denied him on the claim that he is not modern!
What I displayed in my topics is to alert them to many important points in the Quran, worthy of studying them seriously.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 6:105
وَكَذَلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ الآيَاتِ وَلِيَقُولُواْ دَرَسْتَ وَلِنُبَيِّنَهُ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation: (Thus do We explain the signs [of revelation] by various [ways]: that they may say [to you, Mohammed]: "You have studied [the past heavenly scriptures, and arranged the Quran accordingly]", and that We may explain the [Quran in the future] to people who know [modern sciences.] )
Some corrections of the present mistakes of scientists:
Some corrections of the present mistakes of scientists:
- The origin of Earth and other planets.
- Life exists on the planets, with the exception of Mercury and Venus, on which life – once existed – is now extinct. Venus and Mercury have stopped axial rotation and now orbit the Sun with one hemisphere only facing the sun always.
- Moon orbits the Earth, but does not rotate around its axis.
- Most mountains are not from Earth in origin.
- Comets are masses separating from the Sun; they do not orbit the Sun, but they move forward with no specific orbits.
- Mars is larger than Earth.
- Asteroids do not orbit the Sun; some of them orbit Mars and others orbit Jupiter.
- And many other points; in fact all the subjects in the book: The Universe and the Quran, that I have translated, are worthy of investigating and studying.
- Doomsday is inevitable.
- The origin of the Stratosphere
the seven gaseous stratified heavens) is from the earth itself. - And many other subjects like the origin of life, the four human races have been created separately; Adam is not the father of all mankind, but the father of the most recently created human race: the Caucasian race. Even though all the races are human beings.
- And other subjects and many many others about various science disciplines.
All these according to your atheistic view are wrong and non- scientific; are you then the owner of the "scientific"; it may be that you have bought its rights of ownership!
Thanks for that convenient little summary, it saves me from having to wade through all your foolish posts to do it myself.
Atheism does not enter into my judgments of the claims you've made on the subjects listed. Your claims are simply at variance with widely known and well-attested scientific facts. In case you don't understand that, I'll put it more simply: you're just wrong. Continuing to insist on the authority of the Quran as a source of scientific information makes you look pretty silly.
It is better that you have your own voice rather than to echo others.
However, it does not make any difference in case you are an engineer and our friend Dex is qualified in science and I am your brother a general practitioner in medicine.
The man whose book I have translated was almost illiterate: in the sense that he knew only to read and write Arabic; but was an inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible. The Quran is superior to all science disciplines.
Now here is the trial: Will every body be proud over listening to the truth spoken by an illiterate when he explains things that are only known by God? I mean: things that Muslims, Christians and Jews are not aware of.
The Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book, includes a tremendous sum of knowledge ( in addition to other laws, admonition, description of the next life, …etc) inspite of being concise.
The barrier preventing Christians and Jews from studying the Quran: I intend to break such barrier to let them scientifically study the Glorious Quran to know that it is revealed from God Most Gracious.
Muslims mostly know the Quran in their traditional way:
Muslims will be more than others in refusing such explanations; because they have inherited the religion from their fathers ( as have Christians and Jews).
Therefore, studying the Glorious Quran will give all humanity tremendous advances, more than what they have achieved till now; and their duty is to study it and verify what it includes, not to refuse it in a stubborn way.
I can give many examples in many fields: e.g. the lowermost area of the earth is the dead sea region.
God – be exalted – said in the Glorious Quran 30: 2-3
However, it does not make any difference in case you are an engineer and our friend Dex is qualified in science and I am your brother a general practitioner in medicine.
The man whose book I have translated was almost illiterate: in the sense that he knew only to read and write Arabic; but was an inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible. The Quran is superior to all science disciplines.
Now here is the trial: Will every body be proud over listening to the truth spoken by an illiterate when he explains things that are only known by God? I mean: things that Muslims, Christians and Jews are not aware of.
The Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book, includes a tremendous sum of knowledge ( in addition to other laws, admonition, description of the next life, …etc) inspite of being concise.
The barrier preventing Christians and Jews from studying the Quran: I intend to break such barrier to let them scientifically study the Glorious Quran to know that it is revealed from God Most Gracious.
Muslims mostly know the Quran in their traditional way:
Muslims will be more than others in refusing such explanations; because they have inherited the religion from their fathers ( as have Christians and Jews).
Therefore, studying the Glorious Quran will give all humanity tremendous advances, more than what they have achieved till now; and their duty is to study it and verify what it includes, not to refuse it in a stubborn way.
I can give many examples in many fields: e.g. the lowermost area of the earth is the dead sea region.
God – be exalted – said in the Glorious Quran 30: 2-3
غُلِبَتِ الرُّومُ . فِي أَدْنَى الْأَرْضِ ...
The explanation: (The Greeks Room) have been defeated.
In the nearer lowermost land [the precinct of the dead sea where the battle occurred] … )
eanassir Room) have been defeated.In the nearer lowermost land [the precinct of the dead sea where the battle occurred] … )
Just one more time...
Science is not a religious discipline but a reasonable interpretation of hard fact. Over many centuries, science has converted untold numbers of rough hypothesis and conjecture to proven theory and practice. Today, that science can be applied to any physical problem, from bicycles to Moon rockets.
The Quran is not a book of science. The Quran is not superior to any real science discipline because, from what I've read, the Quran has no real science at all. In fact, I find it hard to believe that any reasonably educated person could spout the drivel you are spouting.
Science is not a religious discipline but a reasonable interpretation of hard fact. Over many centuries, science has converted untold numbers of rough hypothesis and conjecture to proven theory and practice. Today, that science can be applied to any physical problem, from bicycles to Moon rockets.
Eanassir, tomorrows shop-lifting books day for me, the Quran is on the top of my list. I was wondering if a local Mosque would supply one free of cost for an interested x-christian, or would I be driven down the street with a broom?:smile: