The Idiocy of the ICC......War is Illegal.

[Colpy]

Evan Moulson War is now illegal*.

Right.

What colossal stupidity!
One wonders if these people actually think before they act.

Going into Darfur to stop the genocide would now be illegal.

The British landing of troops in Belgium (1914) to halt the German advance through the lowlands........now illegal.

The declaration of war by allied nations on Germany after the invasion of Poland....illegal.

Unless of course, one took the time to get UN approval.....good luck with that!!!!

The Israeli pre-emptive strike of 1967??? Incredibly illegal.

As if this is going to stop what Clausewitz called diplomacy "by other means".

Now here is the kicker.....anyone involved can be charged........so if I am a private in the IDF that goes into Lebanon seeking Hezbollah.......i can be charged with War Crimes.

The entire concept of international "law" becomes increasingly ludicrous......

 

[Cliffy]

Such angxt over a politically toothless piece of paper! The only problem I see is that it is poorly written and not specific enough to have any real meaning. I also like the way you cherry pick incidences. You conveniently leave out Iraq and Afghanistan. As for Hezbollah, where is the justification for bombing Lebanon back into the stone age? Where is the justification for Grenada, Vietnam or the future invasion of North Korea or Iran? Somebody needs to put a stop to the US acts of aggression. What better way than to have the rest of the world unite in a single voice of condemnation?

 

[wulfie68]

I agree with your overall assessment. Its seems that Mr Mouslon seems to ignore the fact that there are some VERY significant international players who haven't endorsed this document, including Russia and most of the old Soviet territories, China, most of North Africa and parts of Latin America... not just Israel and the US. If these nations refuse to recognize the authority of the ICC then how can charging them under its statutes be considered legitimate?

Now here is the kicker.....anyone involved can be charged........so if I am a private in the IDF that goes into Lebanon seeking Hezbollah.......i can be charged with War Crimes.

I read it a little differently than you.

1. For the purpose of this Statute, “crime of aggression” means the planning,preparation, initiation or execution, by a person in a position effectively to exercise
control over or to direct the political or military action of a State, of an act of
aggression which, by its character, gravity and scale, constitutes a manifest violation
of the Charter of the United Nations.

A private, junior NCO or even a junior officer doesn't usually exercise the control specificed on a scale large enough to violate the UN Charter. They may be found to be responsible for other crimes, depending on their actions and the situation but I can't see this applying.

I'm not going to argue about this not making more of a joke of "international law" than it already is though...

 

[Colpy]

Such angxt over a politically toothless piece of paper! The only problem I see is that it is poorly written and not specific enough to have any real meaning. I also like the way you cherry pick incidences. You conveniently leave out Iraq and Afghanistan. As for Hezbollah, where is the justification for bombing Lebanon back into the stone age? Where is the justification for Grenada, Vietnam or the future invasion of North Korea or Iran? Somebody needs to put a stop to the US acts of aggression. What better way than to have the rest of the world unite in a single voice of condemnation?

Absolutely a worthless piece of paper....unless you happen to be an IDF soldier vacationing in Europe....for example.

The first Iraq War and Afghanistan were both approved by the UN.......that is why I left them out.

The second Iraq War??? Well, substitute for my example above a US or British soldier anywhere outside their nation.

The justification is self-defense....the problem is that Israel has become such a pariah among the nations of the earth it would have no chance of a fair judgement.

Likewise an attack on either the Iranian or North Korean nuclear programs. Both nations are led by people that make Adolph Hitler appear to be the poster boy for mental health in comparison........and nations need the ability to act in their own self-interest....

My biggest problem is not that the ICC might find some act of some nation illegal....nobody with an IQ larger than their shoe size would pay any attention.....my biggest problem is for some poor bastard that simply carries out his duty being charged and harassed outside of his country.....

And, of course, the old truism that only the loser will ever pay the price......

 

[Cliffy]

If all the propaganda about NK and Iraq were true, then I would agree with you, but I don't trust propaganda. And Israel bombing Lebanon back to the stone age because there were a few Hezbollah hiding out there was not justified, neither was the US bombing Iraq and Afghanistan back to the stone age because of the false propaganda that Al-Quida was hiding out there. The self defense none sense reason for aggression just does not cut it and should be condemned, not justified by others.

 

[EagleSmack]

The self defense none sense reason for aggression just does not cut it and should be condemned, not justified by others.

Careful Cliffy...we have a new spelling and grammar sherriff on site now. Then again, he may only correct war mongering Yanks so you may be OK.

 

[petros]

The justification is self-defense....the problem is that Israel has become such a pariah among the nations of the earth it would have no chance of a fair judgement.

How the hell did that happen?

Likewise an attack on either the Iranian or North Korean nuclear programs. Both nations are led by people that make Adolph Hitler appear to be the poster boy for mental health in comparison........and nations need the ability to act in their own self-interest....

Does that self interest include financial gain?

Why do the North Koreans want to bomb Israel?

If they did they'd piss off Iran for contaminating their water supply and grazing pastures with the fallout that comes with bombing Israel.

My biggest problem is not that the ICC might find some act of some nation illegal....nobody with an IQ larger than their shoe size would pay any attention.....my biggest problem is for some poor bastard that simply carries out his duty being charged and harassed outside of his country.....

Do you want know the favourite spot for IDF soldiers for vacation and what they do there? They go to Kashmir and self medicate on heroin, hash, mushrooms and alcohol because Israel is one of the few nations with manditory service with no "conscientious objector" rights so it's jail time for refusing to do what the once terrorists old men in Tel Aviv want them to.

Those poor kids get PTSD by having to do things that creates the next generation of PTSD in Palestine.

 

[Avro]

Evan Moulson War is now illegal*.

Right.

What colossal stupidity!
One wonders if these people actually think before they act.

Going into Darfur to stop the genocide would now be illegal.

The British landing of troops in Belgium (1914) to halt the German advance through the lowlands........now illegal.

The declaration of war by allied nations on Germany after the invasion of Poland....illegal.

Unless of course, one took the time to get UN approval.....good luck with that!!!!

The Israeli pre-emptive strike of 1967??? Incredibly illegal.

As if this is going to stop what Clausewitz called diplomacy "by other means".

Now here is the kicker.....anyone involved can be charged........so if I am a private in the IDF that goes into Lebanon seeking Hezbollah.......i can be charged with War Crimes.

The entire concept of international "law" becomes increasingly ludicrous......

Does this make Iraq more illegal?

Otherwise it's just meaningless clap trap.

 

[Colpy]

Does this make Iraq more illegal?

Otherwise it's just meaningless clap trap.

You are correct....more or less....