The Hunt is Coming
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The main issue with the seal hunt in the way they are killed.
Protestors are digging up a lot of issues, but if there was a nice round up and then the seal carefully taken to an "arbitoir" or slaughterhouse where it could be done behind closed doors, I doubt that there would be any protest.
The cute factor plays into the killing method too. Thats dumb, get real.
Is it bad to kill seals the way they do? - no, not compared to other killing methods. Not at all. So protestors should be focused on THE WORST MOST BARBARIC killing of animals, not the seal hunt.
The club the sealers use knocks the seals "immediately irreverably unconscious". By law, they are supposed to hit each one three times, just to be sure. That raises the eyebrows of the uninformed too. Get real, the last two blows are not even heard much less felt by the seal.
Thats it as far as suffering of the seal goes. Blink! As fast and humane as any killing can be. Even if they gently administered a lethal dose of drugs to each seal, the seal would suffer more that way than by the club. They are not removed from there natural terrain, they are not handled at all.
In fact, the more I look at it, the more it seems to be THE MOST humane killing we do. Show me an example of less suffering in a kill than a seal has!! please, I am serious - anything at all, one example.
Cows, Chickens, Pigs and even Fish go thru more suffering in the process of becoming food or products for people. Their whole lives growing up have suffering than these seals, baby or not, which gets to live in the wild and has but one split second of interaction with a human - clunk! They usually don't even see it coming!
Slaughtering of cows is ugly - they keep them fully conscious as they klll them, so more blood pumps out or something. From what I saw at Brooks Alberta slaughter houses, they string them up by their hind legs, dislocating their hips before they are killed or clunked on the noggin.
Normally I would be on the side of peacefullness and pacifism, a chronic protestor, but I have killed animals for food, and I am okay with it. Thats what we do, allways have. It can be done with respect.
I eventually quit eating meat, but thats because our regulators refuse to protect consumers from horemones and various toxic drugs etc.
Mad cow is a result of poor choices of feed, and that is also an inhumane act to cannabolise them like that.
So by comparison, the seal hunt is fine. If we want to raise our standards of animal treatment, there are 1000 better and more urgent and more inhumane cases for these protestors to put their well -intended hearts against. I do not slam them as some do, I understand that they are good people. I hate to hear the seal assn head guy say dumb stuff like "they only do this because it means money for them from various sources to protest this seal hunt".
What baloney - is that why Paul Macartney was there? Money?
I encourage everyone to get real , fergawdssakes. I could only HOPE to die so easily as a seal killed by a club.
The main issue with the seal hunt in the way they are killed.
Protestors are digging up a lot of issues, but if there was a nice round up and then the seal carefully taken to an "arbitoir" or slaughterhouse where it could be done behind closed doors, I doubt that there would be any protest.
The cute factor plays into the killing method too. Thats dumb, get real.
Is it bad to kill seals the way they do? - no, not compared to other killing methods. Not at all. So protestors should be focused on THE WORST MOST BARBARIC killing of animals, not the seal hunt.
The club the sealers use knocks the seals "immediately irreverably unconscious". By law, they are supposed to hit each one three times, just to be sure. That raises the eyebrows of the uninformed too. Get real, the last two blows are not even heard much less felt by the seal.
Thats it as far as suffering of the seal goes. Blink! As fast and humane as any killing can be. Even if they gently administered a lethal dose of drugs to each seal, the seal would suffer more that way than by the club. They are not removed from there natural terrain, they are not handled at all.
In fact, the more I look at it, the more it seems to be THE MOST humane killing we do. Show me an example of less suffering in a kill than a seal has!! please, I am serious - anything at all, one example.
Cows, Chickens, Pigs and even Fish go thru more suffering in the process of becoming food or products for people. Their whole lives growing up have suffering than these seals, baby or not, which gets to live in the wild and has but one split second of interaction with a human - clunk! They usually don't even see it coming!
Slaughtering of cows is ugly - they keep them fully conscious as they klll them, so more blood pumps out or something. From what I saw at Brooks Alberta slaughter houses, they string them up by their hind legs, dislocating their hips before they are killed or clunked on the noggin.
Normally I would be on the side of peacefullness and pacifism, a chronic protestor, but I have killed animals for food, and I am okay with it. Thats what we do, allways have. It can be done with respect.
I eventually quit eating meat, but thats because our regulators refuse to protect consumers from horemones and various toxic drugs etc.
Mad cow is a result of poor choices of feed, and that is also an inhumane act to cannabolise them like that.
So by comparison, the seal hunt is fine. If we want to raise our standards of animal treatment, there are 1000 better and more urgent and more inhumane cases for these protestors to put their well -intended hearts against. I do not slam them as some do, I understand that they are good people. I hate to hear the seal assn head guy say dumb stuff like "they only do this because it means money for them from various sources to protest this seal hunt".
What baloney - is that why Paul Macartney was there? Money?
I encourage everyone to get real , fergawdssakes. I could only HOPE to die so easily as a seal killed by a club.
Look at both sides of this, then we all have to be realistic, seal hunting is not hunting at all and is in no way like slaughtering cow and chicken in slaughter houses. The fact remains, seals are killed for their pelt and the rest is left to rot. When these killers find nurseries, in a hurry to meet a quota (that is never, ever regulated) and to beat the other seal hunters to the seals many are left to die on their own or to wait for the return of the hunters, where they will then, at times, be skinned alive. Canada, 53%, agrees with this government subsidiary. UNBELIEVABLE! To say that this is a long time culture and must be respected is even more heart breaking and an out and out lie, these are not Inuit’s. To say that it has been a long time, small supplemented income is to state the truth. However, inhumane and devastating ways of doing things do become obsolete in a world where we are suppose to be learning from our mistakes, a world where self sufficiency is at our own fingertips, through real work and moral correctness. I heard one Canadian put seal hunting into the category with computer programming saying not every one chooses to be a computer programmer, it is a lively hood. If I worked for a computer company and they somehow became obsolete and cruel and the computer company in my area closed, I would find other employment, even if that meant moving. Addressing this in this way is just plain naive. What do computers have to do with the slaughter of innocent seals for only their fur? And a certain senator, who does not speak for all Canadians, stated America has no right to protest the hunt. These animals are wild; they do not belong to Canada. Wild animals belong to the world. These men have not raised them from birth feeding them and weaning them for food consumption, so to even put them in the category with cows, chickens etc....is absurd and avoiding the true issue. To turn this issue into an Iraq, silly (by the way I doubt the Americans are seeking innocent people in Iraq to slaughter for any reason, especially their skin), to attack the legal sale of guns, also silly, it is a right Americans have, but the right to go out and shoot innocent people with this same hand gun is not permitted by the American government, in fact, they unlike us have strict prison terms. And whether or not you agree with capitol punishment you have to agree with the fact that 82% of those on death row have either admitted guilt or DNA proves guilt without a doubt, also 94% of those inmates have committed crimes in the past, so they are not all innocent and can not even remotely be compared to the seal hunt. It is all just a way to avoid the real issue. The Inuit’s have killed seal for survival, forever, they use the whole seal. Again this is avoiding the issue.
The depletion of the cod came from this exact behavior, from these exact same people. Without the seal the predatory fish will be even more abundant to deplete stocks. So now Canadians are trying to undo what they have caused in the first place, they are killing the very animals that will eat the eel that eat the cod eggs...etc.. UNBELIEVABLE. If they are worried about the seals migrating to the fresh water stocks, they should have thought about this before they first depleted the seals food supply. FIND another way! Look at the other options presented; next, what will it be, after the seals have been depleted? The numbers given by the fisheries for seals this year is plain wrong, they are just not out there the way they claim, many have drown from the lack of ice, which they deny because they can. One big ugly circle is what this behavior is causing; trying to fix it in this way WILL make the whole situation worse for the whole world. Canadians, whether you are for it or against it, you FINANCE it. And this hunt is costing our country more than it is worth, regardless of what we believe, whether right or wrong, these boycotts will work and we will suffer as Canadians in the long run, so we need to assume, as Canada, seal pelt will make up for the loss of sales in seafood and tourism. America’s tourism and purchases from this country are a large part of this countries viable existence even though we hate to admit it. The Inuit's are not on the attack here, only the commercial hunt for pelt. Try to stay on the issue. Canada is a large country, this is not acceptable, if you can not find employment where you are, move elsewhere, whether you like it or not. Eventually Canada will expand and jobs in all areas will be readily available. By the way there are help wanted ads everywhere in all provinces. As human beings with moral ethical values we sometimes have to do things that make us uncomfortable, in order to survive, but we do not have to do things that help us to be cruel and intentionally unaware of all the devastation we cause. Yes, wrong is going on all over the world, but it does not, I repeat does not, make this anymore right, in fact, in some ways this is worse, because deep down we know what it is we are doing.....shameful. This great country doesn't seem so great any more. How can we lead the world into a great and peaceful future, when we can't even reach out and manage to survive ourselves in humane and moral ways?
By the way I am not vegan, I believe in hunting for food consumption and as long as the environmental effects are not harmful. Culling the seals as the government may have you believing is just not necessary factually, in fact it is the opposite, global warming is real we have all seen the effects of it, in fact our government not to long ago denounced the Americans behaviors on this topic. We were then shown as the greatest increasers of carbon monoxide….now again look at us…denying the effects of global warming all together. I am so ashamed. And to say that the world should only focus on world hunger is to say we should ignore other injustices we can immediately fix. By the way many of these protesters do send money over seas and they also sponsor some of these starving children, but to focus on only one moral dilemma and issue at a time, means we pretend they are the only issues. The whole world is noticing that we very rarely tell the truth and we never practice what we preach to the world…..we only point our fingers and say what you are doing is worse…who is worse the murderer or the thief? They are both wrong and both should be addressed. We as Canadians just hate when the people who are wrong happen to be us. So I say, let us show the world and the Government we will not any longer put up with anything we believe morally wrong and potentially devastating to the world as a whole, whether it be our self made water contamination problems or the unjustified killing of seal for their pelt alone, because when looked at as a whole it ALL matters.
http://www.boycott-canada.com/news/geneva.htm
The depletion of the cod came from this exact behavior, from these exact same people. Without the seal the predatory fish will be even more abundant to deplete stocks. So now Canadians are trying to undo what they have caused in the first place, they are killing the very animals that will eat the eel that eat the cod eggs...etc.. UNBELIEVABLE. If they are worried about the seals migrating to the fresh water stocks, they should have thought about this before they first depleted the seals food supply. FIND another way! Look at the other options presented; next, what will it be, after the seals have been depleted? The numbers given by the fisheries for seals this year is plain wrong, they are just not out there the way they claim, many have drown from the lack of ice, which they deny because they can. One big ugly circle is what this behavior is causing; trying to fix it in this way WILL make the whole situation worse for the whole world. Canadians, whether you are for it or against it, you FINANCE it. And this hunt is costing our country more than it is worth, regardless of what we believe, whether right or wrong, these boycotts will work and we will suffer as Canadians in the long run, so we need to assume, as Canada, seal pelt will make up for the loss of sales in seafood and tourism. America’s tourism and purchases from this country are a large part of this countries viable existence even though we hate to admit it. The Inuit's are not on the attack here, only the commercial hunt for pelt. Try to stay on the issue. Canada is a large country, this is not acceptable, if you can not find employment where you are, move elsewhere, whether you like it or not. Eventually Canada will expand and jobs in all areas will be readily available. By the way there are help wanted ads everywhere in all provinces. As human beings with moral ethical values we sometimes have to do things that make us uncomfortable, in order to survive, but we do not have to do things that help us to be cruel and intentionally unaware of all the devastation we cause. Yes, wrong is going on all over the world, but it does not, I repeat does not, make this anymore right, in fact, in some ways this is worse, because deep down we know what it is we are doing.....shameful. This great country doesn't seem so great any more. How can we lead the world into a great and peaceful future, when we can't even reach out and manage to survive ourselves in humane and moral ways?
By the way I am not vegan, I believe in hunting for food consumption and as long as the environmental effects are not harmful. Culling the seals as the government may have you believing is just not necessary factually, in fact it is the opposite, global warming is real we have all seen the effects of it, in fact our government not to long ago denounced the Americans behaviors on this topic. We were then shown as the greatest increasers of carbon monoxide….now again look at us…denying the effects of global warming all together. I am so ashamed. And to say that the world should only focus on world hunger is to say we should ignore other injustices we can immediately fix. By the way many of these protesters do send money over seas and they also sponsor some of these starving children, but to focus on only one moral dilemma and issue at a time, means we pretend they are the only issues. The whole world is noticing that we very rarely tell the truth and we never practice what we preach to the world…..we only point our fingers and say what you are doing is worse…who is worse the murderer or the thief? They are both wrong and both should be addressed. We as Canadians just hate when the people who are wrong happen to be us. So I say, let us show the world and the Government we will not any longer put up with anything we believe morally wrong and potentially devastating to the world as a whole, whether it be our self made water contamination problems or the unjustified killing of seal for their pelt alone, because when looked at as a whole it ALL matters.
http://www.boycott-canada.com/news/geneva.htm
I have a few questions Amanda...
1) What exactly are these "Predatory Fish" that the seals are saving our cod from? Mind now, my fathers been a fisherman all his life, and all of his forebears before him since the mid 1700's. I've been out on the water with him more than once myself, and I've never seen a seal take on a shark, which is the only fish I've seen eat cod... What new biological discoveries has PETA made that haven't been shared with the rest f the world. Ravenous Turbot, Giant Capelin. What fish are you talking about?
2)One simple way to end the Seal hunt is to end foreign overfishing. The fact is that inshore fishing ( four guys to an open boat) employs more Canadians and does less ecological damage than large-boat trawling does. One could also fight against FPI, a company that was made by the Federal and Provincial governments to work Newfoundlands fishery (with Newfoundland quotas) yet is illegally shipping processing jobs to China ( about 600 jobs are going from the Burin Peninsula alone). Why aren't the eco-warriors fighting against draggers destroying the breeding grounds? Why aren't they fighting against the outsourcing of NL fishery jobs? If these jobs were kept on the Island, the Newfoundlanders would have no need to turn to the Seal hunt for extra money.. so why not try to help on that front.
OH right! Fish and Fishermen aren't that cute!!.
http://www.maninnature.com/MMammals/Seals/Seals1h.html
http://www.animalrights.net/81631
http://www.cdfe.org/seal_hunt_lies.htm
And does no-one feel ashamed that the Protestors put forward Brigitte Bardot as a seal-hugging saint fo a woman, when she has repeatedly been charged for hate-crimes, and publically announced that homosexuals (fairground freaks) and immigrants ( foreign hordes) should be executed or extradited from her pure Aryan nation?!?! The womans a nut case people!!!
1) What exactly are these "Predatory Fish" that the seals are saving our cod from? Mind now, my fathers been a fisherman all his life, and all of his forebears before him since the mid 1700's. I've been out on the water with him more than once myself, and I've never seen a seal take on a shark, which is the only fish I've seen eat cod... What new biological discoveries has PETA made that haven't been shared with the rest f the world. Ravenous Turbot, Giant Capelin. What fish are you talking about?
2)One simple way to end the Seal hunt is to end foreign overfishing. The fact is that inshore fishing ( four guys to an open boat) employs more Canadians and does less ecological damage than large-boat trawling does. One could also fight against FPI, a company that was made by the Federal and Provincial governments to work Newfoundlands fishery (with Newfoundland quotas) yet is illegally shipping processing jobs to China ( about 600 jobs are going from the Burin Peninsula alone). Why aren't the eco-warriors fighting against draggers destroying the breeding grounds? Why aren't they fighting against the outsourcing of NL fishery jobs? If these jobs were kept on the Island, the Newfoundlanders would have no need to turn to the Seal hunt for extra money.. so why not try to help on that front.
OH right! Fish and Fishermen aren't that cute!!.
http://www.maninnature.com/MMammals/Seals/Seals1h.html
http://www.animalrights.net/81631
http://www.cdfe.org/seal_hunt_lies.htm
And does no-one feel ashamed that the Protestors put forward Brigitte Bardot as a seal-hugging saint fo a woman, when she has repeatedly been charged for hate-crimes, and publically announced that homosexuals (fairground freaks) and immigrants ( foreign hordes) should be executed or extradited from her pure Aryan nation?!?! The womans a nut case people!!!
That's twice today Doryman you made me laugh. Now I can go back to work with a smile. Loved your post and agree with you 100%. The next time I walk the dog on the beach I will keep my eyes peeled for this new elusive Kelp Monster that is eating Seals.
I will try and get pictures for Peta.
P.S. FPI has some serious explaining to do to the tax payers of NFL. They were given funds to keep jobs in NFL not out source them. Corporate greed rearing it's ugly head again.
I will try and get pictures for Peta.
P.S. FPI has some serious explaining to do to the tax payers of NFL. They were given funds to keep jobs in NFL not out source them. Corporate greed rearing it's ugly head again.
Holy smokes, there's sure alot of ruffled feathers on this subject. I noticed the biggest misconcetption is that it isn't those cute baby white seals you see on the protesters logos that are being hunted. The ones that get hunted are the ones that have grown into their adult grey coats. Jeeeezzzus The white ones haven't been hunted for their pelts since the 70's.
And for this once I do agree with doryman on the issues on the matter. Karlin also had a good point on the seals being hit on the head. Seals have very soft skulls, while travelling across the ice in Nunavut, my friends and I came across a young seal that had lost it's hole, and it's back was injured. After spending 1 hr looking all over for its hole, it was decided to put it out of its misery, because it wouldn't last the night with all the foxes on the ice. The elder in the group just came over to it and..."WOK!", hit it on the head once with his fist, and you swear you put a bullet into it.
And as far as wasting the carcasses go, there is much effort in collecting the meat for these things as there is the fur.
And for this once I do agree with doryman on the issues on the matter. Karlin also had a good point on the seals being hit on the head. Seals have very soft skulls, while travelling across the ice in Nunavut, my friends and I came across a young seal that had lost it's hole, and it's back was injured. After spending 1 hr looking all over for its hole, it was decided to put it out of its misery, because it wouldn't last the night with all the foxes on the ice. The elder in the group just came over to it and..."WOK!", hit it on the head once with his fist, and you swear you put a bullet into it.
And as far as wasting the carcasses go, there is much effort in collecting the meat for these things as there is the fur.
Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming
8O ....
Green food?????
Nah, I can get you some turnips, taters and carrots with gravy. Flipper pie's pretty good. It's also a mild aphrodisiac!
FPI has some serious explaining to do to the tax payers of NFL. They were given funds to keep jobs in NFL not out source them. Corporate greed rearing it's ugly head again.
yep, the quotas fished by FPI aren't the companies quotas at all, but they have been given leave to fish the quotas of various towns.. Thus they fish harbour Breton's quota, Fortune's Quota, Marystowns Quota... but then they tell us it is bad business to employ the people of these towns in the processing industry. Would Alberta let the Oil companies ship gobs of oil sands to Chinesre refineries? Nope. NL needs a heavy dose of Albertan-typ strategy to defend it's resources...
Oh and amanda... Those things above this are called "Paragraphs" sound it out. P-ara-graaaaaphs....
Jay said:
8O ....
Green food?????
Nah, I can get you some turnips, taters and carrots with gravy. Flipper pie's pretty good. It's also a mild aphrodisiac!
FPI has some serious explaining to do to the tax payers of NFL. They were given funds to keep jobs in NFL not out source them. Corporate greed rearing it's ugly head again.
yep, the quotas fished by FPI aren't the companies quotas at all, but they have been given leave to fish the quotas of various towns.. Thus they fish harbour Breton's quota, Fortune's Quota, Marystowns Quota... but then they tell us it is bad business to employ the people of these towns in the processing industry. Would Alberta let the Oil companies ship gobs of oil sands to Chinesre refineries? Nope. NL needs a heavy dose of Albertan-typ strategy to defend it's resources...
Oh and amanda... Those things above this are called "Paragraphs" sound it out. P-ara-graaaaaphs....
As we have the Rome Statute of the ICC, a world court contract from Canada. Canada also signed a world international courts animal protection contract...and ratified. But has been found gulty of Sadis....well you read.
Reducing the seal population may simply increase the populations of other cod predators, but won't necessarily help the cod's recovery. Approximately 3% of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod; harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid.
The truth is, this again is avoiding the issue if I say the Inuit’s were told not to eat the fish because of the mercury found, however foreign fishermen were allowed. Studies show that little mercury actually harms you. So saying this I am saying yes I understand the governments need to make money especially from tourism in this fishing area. But to claim killing seals WILL help increase cod stocks because of both seal and over fishing is an out and out lie. Most sealers make around 1500.00…supplemented income off of this hunt, this year may be slower do to ice decline and seal scarcity (regardless of what they tell you). However with that stated multiply it by the sealers and then subtract it from the amount our Government rakes in.
The point again who stands to make the most off of this hunt>? Our government, so why would they be honest? The truths is, yes over fishing is a problem and has been but without tourist there will be less money for the province which rakes in more annually than the seal hunt does. Many people have said they would take vacations in order to see the seal in their natural habitat, but can not bring themselves to visit because of the continuous thoughts of a seal cull taking place every year. Imagine the money lost here for that province. Canada is going to destroy a beauty most have never seen and never will for fear of thinking about the hunt or seeing the hunt. There is only a short window to see these babies. Yes it has been a way of life for some, but the Inuit’s who this culture truly belongs to did not conduct themselves in this way. If you eat the entire seal I would be more for it; however as with all warm blooded animals which are killed in mass numbers for food consumption these can not be regulated, because they are simply wild. The Inuit’s for survival purposes hunted in this manner. They first let the dogs sniff out the seal's breathing hole. When the dogs found a seal-breathing hole, the hunter used his harpoon to find it himself. When it was found he dug out the hole just to be sure it was there. Once the hunter had confirmed that the seal hole was actually there, he filled it back up with snow and left just a little hole. He then put a little contraption to see when the seal had come to its breathing hole. The contraption was made out of bone with a tiny piece of feather down frozen to it. When the seal breathed it vibrates the down. The hunter waited patiently, for many hours sometimes, until he saw the vibration and he quickly hurdled his harpoon into the hole. The harpoon tip was connected to the shaft by a line called a harpoon line. When thrown the tip disengaged and hit the seal. The hunter then pulled up the seal. One seal provided the Inuit people with food for many days. The argument for me is not the killing of the seals, but the killing of the seals for their pelt, or the mass killing of wild animals who would be just fine if we humans would leave them alone, unless for food. We do not need to and can not control the echo system; looking at where we are today we can not even say we are equipped. The argument is not slaughter houses. As much as I do not like them, they are regulated and we find diseases quick enough to prevent bad outcomes most of the time, this is a more controlled environment. We also raise them for the main purpose of food. We raise them, we foot the bill to house raise and slaughter them. They are not wild warm blooded animals, in which we know better than to cull. The effects will be devastating the past has shown us this. And if we ignore it for a few extra dollars our children will suffer. An international court in Geneva found Canada guilty on all counts; they were legally defended, so why is it being ignored? www.boycott-canada.com/news/geneva.htm. Also Greenland has now decided to boycott all seal products from Canada because of the way this hunt is conducted. We just no longer live in a world where everyone can do their own thing if it is blatantly inhumane and completely senseless. Other issues in the world are not the issue so let us recognize this seal hunt only right now.
I also realise we claim to eat 325,000 seal but give me a break, we see the evidence contrary, and speaking honestly we know it is just not possible when there is absolutly no demand for seal products outside of pelt and some meat in Newfoundland and Labrador areas.
Reducing the seal population may simply increase the populations of other cod predators, but won't necessarily help the cod's recovery. Approximately 3% of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod; harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid.
The truth is, this again is avoiding the issue if I say the Inuit’s were told not to eat the fish because of the mercury found, however foreign fishermen were allowed. Studies show that little mercury actually harms you. So saying this I am saying yes I understand the governments need to make money especially from tourism in this fishing area. But to claim killing seals WILL help increase cod stocks because of both seal and over fishing is an out and out lie. Most sealers make around 1500.00…supplemented income off of this hunt, this year may be slower do to ice decline and seal scarcity (regardless of what they tell you). However with that stated multiply it by the sealers and then subtract it from the amount our Government rakes in.
The point again who stands to make the most off of this hunt>? Our government, so why would they be honest? The truths is, yes over fishing is a problem and has been but without tourist there will be less money for the province which rakes in more annually than the seal hunt does. Many people have said they would take vacations in order to see the seal in their natural habitat, but can not bring themselves to visit because of the continuous thoughts of a seal cull taking place every year. Imagine the money lost here for that province. Canada is going to destroy a beauty most have never seen and never will for fear of thinking about the hunt or seeing the hunt. There is only a short window to see these babies. Yes it has been a way of life for some, but the Inuit’s who this culture truly belongs to did not conduct themselves in this way. If you eat the entire seal I would be more for it; however as with all warm blooded animals which are killed in mass numbers for food consumption these can not be regulated, because they are simply wild. The Inuit’s for survival purposes hunted in this manner. They first let the dogs sniff out the seal's breathing hole. When the dogs found a seal-breathing hole, the hunter used his harpoon to find it himself. When it was found he dug out the hole just to be sure it was there. Once the hunter had confirmed that the seal hole was actually there, he filled it back up with snow and left just a little hole. He then put a little contraption to see when the seal had come to its breathing hole. The contraption was made out of bone with a tiny piece of feather down frozen to it. When the seal breathed it vibrates the down. The hunter waited patiently, for many hours sometimes, until he saw the vibration and he quickly hurdled his harpoon into the hole. The harpoon tip was connected to the shaft by a line called a harpoon line. When thrown the tip disengaged and hit the seal. The hunter then pulled up the seal. One seal provided the Inuit people with food for many days. The argument for me is not the killing of the seals, but the killing of the seals for their pelt, or the mass killing of wild animals who would be just fine if we humans would leave them alone, unless for food. We do not need to and can not control the echo system; looking at where we are today we can not even say we are equipped. The argument is not slaughter houses. As much as I do not like them, they are regulated and we find diseases quick enough to prevent bad outcomes most of the time, this is a more controlled environment. We also raise them for the main purpose of food. We raise them, we foot the bill to house raise and slaughter them. They are not wild warm blooded animals, in which we know better than to cull. The effects will be devastating the past has shown us this. And if we ignore it for a few extra dollars our children will suffer. An international court in Geneva found Canada guilty on all counts; they were legally defended, so why is it being ignored? www.boycott-canada.com/news/geneva.htm. Also Greenland has now decided to boycott all seal products from Canada because of the way this hunt is conducted. We just no longer live in a world where everyone can do their own thing if it is blatantly inhumane and completely senseless. Other issues in the world are not the issue so let us recognize this seal hunt only right now.
I also realise we claim to eat 325,000 seal but give me a break, we see the evidence contrary, and speaking honestly we know it is just not possible when there is absolutly no demand for seal products outside of pelt and some meat in Newfoundland and Labrador areas.
Perhaps a trip to the region in question should enlighten ye on what people there sustain themselves on nutritionally and economically eh? Anyways you forgot Nunavut and the NWT. Besides caribou, seal is also necessary for families that can't afford overpriced groceries.
If the demand and the need for it is in the region they're caught in, who cares if it is not shipped across country where people would prefer something else.
If the demand and the need for it is in the region they're caught in, who cares if it is not shipped across country where people would prefer something else.
amanda1
The government does not make money from the seal hunt. The seal hunters are not subsidized. The seal protesters make ten times what the sealers make from the hunt. The "cute" little seals are havested for their pelts and meat just like "cute" beef calves are harvested for veal.
The government does not make money from the seal hunt. The seal hunters are not subsidized. The seal protesters make ten times what the sealers make from the hunt. The "cute" little seals are havested for their pelts and meat just like "cute" beef calves are harvested for veal.
Actually, that link was not for a boycott, but only to show that through evidence presented by opponents against the seal hunt in geneva (international court). We do have those now. For the world (ICC) for people's rights (read the rome statute of the ICC) and for the world animals (the international court of justice for world animals), which Canada has signed both and ratified (you know one world government....yada....we are not in Kansas anymore) The point is...Canada through evidence was found guilty in the world court for the rights of animals a court equvilant to the ICC for people...but for world animals...(whew) ....Based on the evidence of the witnesses and examination of the evidence, the International Court of Justice for Animal Rights, represented by 9 members of the jury and three judges, (in Geneva) declared that the Canadian Authorities were guilty of all the counts and that it their cruelty excluded Canada from socially accepted realms due to a ‘sadistically orientated minority’.
The Court then appealed to the Canadian Government to put an immediate stop to ‘this immoral and dishonourable hunt’ and to the European Union ‘to implement an import ban on all products stemming from the Canadian seal hunt’ And here we are today...and Morrissey has said it great...."The Canadian Prime Minister also states that the slaughter is necessary because it provides jobs for local communities, but this is an ignorant reason for allowing such barbaric and cruel slaughter of beings that are denied life simply because somebody somewhere might want to wear their skin. Construction of German gas chambers also provided work for someone - this is not a moral or sound reason for allowing suffering." So here we are in the world for the very worst of reasons. I guess here are our true colours. I suppose China gets away with it due to communism, the question is how will we, when we signed in agreement and radified? Somehow it is really weird the seals are only hunted when their pelt is perfect for sale, babies, which is not ever practised in correct maintenance of wild animal proceedures. Coincidence? I think not. We all down deep know better and that is the real truth of it.
The Court then appealed to the Canadian Government to put an immediate stop to ‘this immoral and dishonourable hunt’ and to the European Union ‘to implement an import ban on all products stemming from the Canadian seal hunt’ And here we are today...and Morrissey has said it great...."The Canadian Prime Minister also states that the slaughter is necessary because it provides jobs for local communities, but this is an ignorant reason for allowing such barbaric and cruel slaughter of beings that are denied life simply because somebody somewhere might want to wear their skin. Construction of German gas chambers also provided work for someone - this is not a moral or sound reason for allowing suffering." So here we are in the world for the very worst of reasons. I guess here are our true colours. I suppose China gets away with it due to communism, the question is how will we, when we signed in agreement and radified? Somehow it is really weird the seals are only hunted when their pelt is perfect for sale, babies, which is not ever practised in correct maintenance of wild animal proceedures. Coincidence? I think not. We all down deep know better and that is the real truth of it.
amanda1, then the "slaughter" (I have to laugh at the overuse of this term, in any context that may involve cute creatures, yet the same, or greater degree of the termination of lives elsewhere, on non-cute creatures, is nothing of the sort) of livestock such as cows, pigs, chickens and the like, should be even more disturbing to you, correct?
Isn't it abhorrent, that thousands of chickens are slaughtered just because someone, somewhere, might one day want chicken? Isn't it abhorrent that cows are slaughtered, just because someone, somewhere might want beef? If you can inform me as to how the deaths of these seals are different, then I would be happy to entertain you.
Despite the fact that she may have had a somewhat uneloquent way of expressing her opinion, I now entirely agree with the Honourable Céline Hervieux-Payette, P.C., a Senator for Québec and the Senatorial Division of Bedford. These protests are beginning to irritate me, because they are based entirely on the "cute 'n' cuddly" factor rather than the "fact" factor.
Isn't it abhorrent, that thousands of chickens are slaughtered just because someone, somewhere, might one day want chicken? Isn't it abhorrent that cows are slaughtered, just because someone, somewhere might want beef? If you can inform me as to how the deaths of these seals are different, then I would be happy to entertain you.
Despite the fact that she may have had a somewhat uneloquent way of expressing her opinion, I now entirely agree with the Honourable Céline Hervieux-Payette, P.C., a Senator for Québec and the Senatorial Division of Bedford. These protests are beginning to irritate me, because they are based entirely on the "cute 'n' cuddly" factor rather than the "fact" factor.
Honestly, for me this is about the mass slaughter of warm blooded marine wildlife, mostly for pelt. Cows and chickens are raised and contained for human consumption and can be properly regulated. Yes, slaughter is the word, you keep referring to them (seals) as being like cows and chickens raised in captivity, that are also slaughtered. I do believe the terminology is correct then. When people stop trying to put them in the same catagory with domestically raised livestock, that, yes, are also slaughtered, I will not use the word slaughter again....deal? However this is not the same, did you purchase the birds on your land that your house is on? Remember you do not have the right to go out and kill birds just for their feathers. Through this practice we have saw the greatest extinction ever, including the time of the dinosaurs. If sealers want to first purchase the seals, raise them and then breed them for the purpose of slaughter for fur and meat, so be it. All warm bloodied animals slaughtered in such mass numbers by any other country today are domesticated animals raised for this purpose, because proper regulation and breeding to maintain constant preservation. In the wild you can not truly count the seals and be correct. You can not for see envoronmental changes as quick as over night that might change this number drastically, as with many other mass culled extinct species of our fathers past. So the seals have to either be left alone or raised for consumption so they can be maintained viable. We have learned this from our past. Now chickens...since this seems to be the route we always go which is away from the true issue I suppose. Bird flu...we have managed to contain it because of these safe practices. Animals that are wild pose little effect from illness to humans when left alone. It is constant contact with humans through breeding species through many reasons we get our illnesses and they get theirs. The seal will not subcome to being raised in captivity for fur and meat consumption, so what is left is extinction if we continue to cull them in this manner. Culling one species to protect another, judging from history has only worsened things. Where the seal is concerned only about 34% of the meat is actually used, stating that they are mainly culled for pelt. The seal stocks are not as viable as one may think, we will lose some to drowning and loss of food supply, due to over fishing from everyone. What if 325,000 is a wrong figure because we didn't realise 250,000 would be killed in some other manner we as humans never foresee. The truth is we have no right. Wild animals need now more than ever to be protected so we can protect ourselves from the awful damage we have already caused because once again we miss calculated. The fact still remains the mass culling of wild animals under the age of 10 months is absurd.
And if you agree with the Senator, then you agree with ignoring rape because we have a murderer, you also agree that our Government, using Government letter head can speak for you without first asking you. Say good-bye democracy, that's what I say, whether you believe in the hunt or not....She was not speaking for all Canadians and should NOT have said so.
And if you agree with the Senator, then you agree with ignoring rape because we have a murderer, you also agree that our Government, using Government letter head can speak for you without first asking you. Say good-bye democracy, that's what I say, whether you believe in the hunt or not....She was not speaking for all Canadians and should NOT have said so.
:lol: It seems some Inuks have gotten together to post a message on how they view the reasonings behind the protests, and puts the shoe on the other foot.
The cow is not a wild warm blooded animal killed only for leather. The people who slaughter cows for commercial purposes have strict guidelines....even though yes it is ugly, they are raised for food consumption (raised)...oh but first they must PURCHASE their cows or raise them for commercial food consumption, they are not wild warm blooded animals (which fish are not) which are illegal to kill for commercial purposes, (in contract sighning democratic countries such as ours)wild animals can only be killed for personal consumption. So the issue is not the same. And the Inuits are also being mislead, again, it is not the Inuit hunt for survival on attack here, but the commercial cull of wild animals for pelt. Baby animals I might add.