The Hunt is Coming

Jay

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I really think you people need to get jobs or something.

Oh and when I say jobs I mean real jobs, not Paul McCarthy and Bridget Bordeaux jobs. What do these tools know about anything?
 

Melanie

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<<<Has a job...:)

But does not consider clubbing baby seal a job. It is more like...playing hide and seek with 5 month olds....C'mone people!

And you know very little of Paul McCartney and Bridgett to assume they don't have jobs and work very hard....

Let me see what is more a job?

Trying to get a bunch of dumb cavemen to realise we are not still living in caves. Wearing seal guts, getting rammed when a supposed legal hunt isn't so legal? Fighting a bunch of has beens on ice the democratic way through the court systems, winning and not being able to inforce the decision of a court in a civilized society such as the rest of Canada. Or the supposed state of it, saying we allow protesters and then arresting them for obvious reasons which are clearly shame and denial along with greed and fear on our part? etc......
OR?

Getting drunk and batting baby seal for their fur?..........Jeez Jay.........
 

Doryman

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I find it ludicrous that you believe it is humane for the cattle industry to raise animals from babies in captivity, pump them full of drugs and chemicals, all for the chance to be killed... but you believe that a wild mammal industry, that kills the animal as quickly and cleanly as possible and leaves them in freedom for the other 360 days of the year, is brutal. That's a nice little Townie mentality for you, "Animals would much rather be kept prisoner for years before the 'slaughter' than live afree life."

And watch what you say about "baby" seals. It annoyed me when that McCartney Banshee kept comparing month old seals to month old babies.. because y'know, they are at the exact same stage of development, like 7 yr old Dogs are at the same levels of 7yr old children... :roll:


And the seals are not on their way to extinction. The seal hunts of the past 500 years were ten times larger than the present ones, and the seals are thriving. If the hunts of the past didn't destroy them, this much smaller, modified one will not.
 

Doryman

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Melanie said:
<<<Has a job...:)

But does not consider clubbing baby seal a job. It is more like...playing hide and seek with 5 month olds....C'mone people!

And you know very little of Paul McCartney and Bridgett to assume they don't have jobs and work very hard....

Let me see what is more a job?

Trying to get a bunch of dumb cavemen to realise we are not still living in caves. Wearing seal guts, getting rammed when a supposed legal hunt isn't so legal? Fighting a bunch of has beens on ice the democratic way through the court systems, winning and not being able to inforce the decision of a court in a civilized society such as the rest of Canada. Or the supposed state of it, saying we allow protesters and then arresting them for obvious reasons which are clearly shame and denial along with greed and fear on our part? etc......
OR?

Getting drunk and batting baby seal for their fur?..........Jeez Jay.........

- Mmm. McCartney make his living by singing songs and smoking weed. Real hardworking guy.


- The protestors have as many cameras as possible to document this barabaric slaughter.... But didn't manage to get the "ramming" on tape. yeah.


- I don't remember living in a cave lately... or getting drunk on my way to work.

Fine. F1ck it. we'll just all go on welfare. Hell with the lot of ye.
 

Jay

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Doryman said:
Fine. F1ck it. we'll just all go on welfare. Hell with the lot of ye.

:lol:

I keep threatening to do the same thing!
 

#juan

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Absolutely right Doryman

There is one thing though. The seal hunt protesters are making many, many millions of dollars from the seal hunt. The International Wildlife Fund raised over 75 million dollars. What did they spend it on. I suspect McCartney & crew got a few million to go to the ice flows. I don't suppose there is any chance he will drown...............nah, the seal hunters would probably rescue him.
 

Doryman

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Sounds about right... The money they make could easily go to pay off every sealer so he wouldn't go to the hunt. Out of the 77 million raised by the IFAW each year, about 5000 for each Sealer would cover the expenses. Thus they could end the Hunt, and still be, as they so often claim, "on the side of the workers".yeah I think they can swing it... But they never will, for the same reason GE doesn't make longer-lasting lightbulbs. Never cook the golden goose.

What Canada needs to do is exactly what the Alaskans, British and Greenlanders do. Make it illegal for any protestors to get within visual range of the hunt. When's the last time anyone saw a video from the Greenland hunt? And whens the last time anyone saw IFAW protesting it? Yep, the cash only flows when you can provide pictures of fuzzie-wuzzies. The "Facts" these characters blow off about rarely hold up without emotional images.
 

Melanie

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-Yes paul McCartney does make his living on songs, he may smoke pot who knows? However I doubt he sell's it for extra income. Even if he did, I doubt it is in the same catagory with baby seal killing. But there is a market for McCartneys songs. But not for 325,000 baby seal for food. The consumer reports on sales tell the truth. And these are mandated by the Government NOT the protesters. By the way last time I checked a world court didn't find Paul McCartney guilty of Barbaric and Sadistic behaviour, like I read above, and outlaw him singing his songs. I guess most would, if not tremendously enjoy McCartneys songs at least be able to hear them without vomiting, on the other hand let us look at the supposed humanely killed seal that bleeds to death on the ice, just for pelt.

-Last I checked it was legal to own camera's and seems like today they are a few short because the footage you say they didn't get was taken by our borderline communist government where this is concerned.....hmmmm. Seems right before they were arrested they had footage of seal guts being hurled at them also. Any Intelligent human being can see the truth.

-well statistics taken on safety say sealers are more than 45% more likely to seal while intoxicated than the same report taken in 2002. WOW! You a sealer? Well at least we know we have one straight one out there. Eexactly as I stated we don't live in caves anymore, so we at least agree on that, so why act like cavemen?

-Welfare....hey why not? Welfare pays more and isn't inhumane, last I checked and didn't make the majority sick to their stomachs either. (remember welfare sometimes causes the person receiving it to feel unworthy, but doesn't usually harm or upset the rest of the world) So this makes sealers feel worthy? Give us all a break! better suggestion, why not move and get a real job, a humane one? Not one that again shows the dirty little secrets of people who like free money at any cost. Be like the miners, when their REAL JOB closes, find another REAL JOB. A humane one, even singing songs, I doubt you will get any protest of sadistic behaviour while doing it.

People like politicians when caught doing something wrong always try to get the attention off of the issue, which is, sealers have no right and jurisdiction over the seals they kill for pelt, they do not own them, and have no right to make money off of the slaying of something they do not own.

And the misconception that these protesters make tons, is a foolish one and makes our government look like an embarassment to the intelligent world.

Commentary by Paul Watson
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
There seems to be common theme running through the propaganda efforts of seal slaughter defenders. The accusation is that we defenders of the seals are defending seals for the money.

The perception from Newfoundland is that all of us who are opposing the slaughter of seals are making vast sums of money and that we are stockpiling incredible wealth in offshore bank accounts.

Last year, in a radio debate with former Canadian Natural Resources Minister John Efford, he openly accused me of having a secret offshore bank account where I’ve deposited “millions of dollars” obtained from members of the gullible public.

Of course, being a member of the Liberal cabinet he was quite familiar with offshore bank accounts, slush funds, and easy money. In fact, Efford collected a hefty paycheck on a very extended sick leave until forced to resign for dereliction of his duties.

And this year, we have a new cast of Newfoundland politicians like Premier Danny Williams and Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn screaming about vast sums of money being made by the people working to end the slaughter of seals.

It is interesting that all three of these men hail from Newfoundland, because pretty much all of the hate mail that I get is from Newfoundland and says the same thing. These people are obsessed with the fantasy that we have all become millionaires from saving seals.

One of the reasons for this is that they can’t imagine doing anything without making money from it. The very idea of spending time without profit to stop the killing of seals is extremely alien to these critics.

I also love how they keep changing the subject. Today one such critic asked me what we were doing to help bears in China. The answer is that we support Animals Asia and their efforts to save bears. [www.animalsasia.org]

They also ask what we are doing to stop the slaughter of cows, pigs, and chickens. The answer is simple – we don’t eat them. Of course, when you say that, they label you a fanatic. You can’t win, a hypocrite if you eat meat and a fanatic if you don’t.

It is constantly a game of distraction with them. Heather Mills McCartney scolded Premier Danny Williams quite properly on the Larry King show when she accused him of being a typical politician, constantly changing the subject and trying to distract from the issue.

But really, that is all that Danny and his fellow seal killers can do. How else can they defend the grossly inhumane and viciously cruel mass slaughter of baby seals? How else can they even attempt to overcome the images of steaming scarlet blood on pristine ice floes or the awful image of grown men swinging clubs to smash and shatter the tiny, thin skulls of little seal pups?

The fact is that sealers are barbarians engaged in an industry that belongs in the dark ages. This kind of torturous trade in pain and carnage has no place in the modern world. It is archaic barbarism plain and simple.

But if Williams, Loyola, and Efford really believe that we are in it for the money, then I have some advice for them: End it! Cut off the supposed source of our wealth. Take away the reason you believe we are making tons of money. Stop killing seals.

I really wish we were raising the great sums of money that these foul defenders of slaughter say we are. It would give us more resources with which to battle their horrendous obscene little industry.

The fact is that every dollar, every pound, euro, and peso we collect to oppose the slaughter of the seals is spent on opposing the slaughter of the seals.

We are public a charity. Our books are open. If we were abusing our funding, we would go to jail. And because we are controversial, we have been audited.

And guess what Williams, Loyola, and Efford? We passed the audit by the Internal Revenue Service without any penalties. Why? Because your propaganda is just that – nothing more than lies created for the sole purpose of attempting to discredit people who are passionately compassionate.

Do you think we like being attacked by your thugs on the ice? Do you think I enjoyed being beaten severely by drunken, violent sealers in the Madgalen Islands? Do you think we like being arrested and jailed – humiliated by Fisheries officers who are nothing more than hired goons for the sealers? Would we endure this for money?

No guys, we do it because we honestly, truly, and sincerely care about these victims of your insane cruelty.

I first opposed your bloody slaughter as a boy of ten in New Brunswick. Do you think I was motivated then by some idea that I would get wealthy from saving seals? Do you really think we are wealthy now? You’re in government, you have access. Check our tax records and offer up some evidence. Oh yes, I forgot, we’re secretly hording funds in offshore accounts. I’m sure, however, you can find a paper trail to back up your bogus allegations.

But, you don’t need to. Do you? Why? Because you have people willing to believe your lies and you provide them with these lies so they will vote for you. The truth would not get you re-elected.

One of the funniest accusations came a few years ago from former Canadian Fisheries Minister John Crosbie. He accused us of having a Swiss bank account. He said he had proof that we had a Swiss bank account. And he was right, he did. The account was in the name of Sea Shepherd Switzerland. Where do you think they would have a bank account – in Germany perhaps? It had 112 Swiss francs in it at the time. The balance of that account never exceeded 2,000 francs. Minor details, but that did not stop Crosbie from crying “Eureka” like he just got the goods on Al Capone.

Meanwhile, his boss Brian Mulroney was sending his wife off to New York on shopping junkets with mysterious cash taken directly from a safe in the Prime Minister’s office.

Oh, what tangled webs you politicians weave when you practice to deceive.
 

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Morrissey says he won't play Canada because of seal hunt
TERRY WEBER

Globe and Mail Update

Former Smiths lead singer Morrissey says he won't play any Canadian dates on his upcoming world tour in protest of the seal hunt.

In a statement posted on Morrissey fan Web site True To You, the singer offers a harsh criticism of hunt — which he terms an "horrific slaughter" — and Prime Minister Stephen Harper's defence of it.

"The Canadian Prime Minister says the so-called cull is economically and environmentally justified, but this is untrue," the singer said.

"The seal population has looked after itself for thousand of years without human intervention, and, as the world knows, this slaughter is about one thing only: making money."

Morrissey is gearing up a tour to promote his upcoming album, Ringleader Of The Tormentors. The first single, You Have Killed Me, was released in Britain this week.

But he says he won't play any dates in Canada and has called on fans to boycott Canadian goods, accusing the country of placing "itself alongside China as the cruellest and most self-serving nation."

"I fully realize that the absence of any Morrissey concerts in Canada is unlikely to bring the Canadian economy to its knees, but it is our small protest against this horrific slaughter," he said.

He also dismisses arguments that the hunt is an economic necessity by providing jobs to local communities.

"Construction of German gas chambers also provided work for someone -- this is not a moral or sound reason for allowing suffering," he said.

"If you can, please boycott Canadian goods. It will make a difference."

A number of celebrities have arrived in Canada in recent weeks to protest the hunt.

In February, Sir Paul McCartney, an ex-Beatle and vegan, came to Canada with his wife, Heather Mills McCartney, to stage a high-profile protest. After posing on ice floes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, Mr. McCartney went head-to-head with Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams on CNN's Larry King Live.

The singer called the hunt a stain on the Canadian people. But Mr. Williams stood his ground, arguing that it provides a livelihood to remote communities.

Earlier this month, French actress Brigitte Bardot took her campaign against the centuries-old hunt to Ottawa, holding a press conference and requesting a meeting with Mr. Harper.

Mr. Harper refused, saying "I respect Ms. Bardot and all other famous people who have causes, but it's not in my nature to need to have my picture taken with celebrities."

The annual hunt began last weekend.

Separately Tuesday, actress Pamela Anderson has asked for a meeting with the Prime Minister following her hosting duties at Sunday's Juno Awards in Halifax.

[I hope she brings Tommy. If not this may be the real reason Harper does not want cameras at his meetings.]


"As a proud Canadian who frequently travels abroad, I am alarmed that people are starting to see Canada as a country more beholden to a pack of greedy hunters and to the seal-skin 'fashion' whims of a few countries than to the massive international outcry against the hunt," Ms. Anderson, a vocal member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said in a letter faxed to Mr. Harper's office.

"One of the biggest problems facing the U.S. government is appearing aloof about its own hostile behaviour; I'd hate to see that happen north of the border too."

The actor and model said she's collected thousands of signatures via an on-line PETA petition protesting the seal hunt.

Ms. Anderson, who is from Ladysmith, B.C., said she wants to visit Ottawa on Monday to meet with Harper.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...onal/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20060328.wmorriss0328
 

Jay

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"Ms. Anderson, who is from Ladysmith, B.C., said she wants to visit Ottawa on Monday to meet with Harper."

I guess she doesn't know the Conservatives won the election.
 

#juan

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Oh God No!....

Former Smiths lead singer Morrissey says he won't play any Canadian dates on his upcoming world tour in protest of the seal hunt.

Who is he again?
 

Doryman

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It isn't actually a misconception, Amanda. IFAW has admitted that they average about 77 million a year from their protests and donations, most of which comes from their protest of the seal hunt.

And if sealers do not own the seals they kill, will you argue that fishermen do not own the fish they catch? I guess if you really want to take it farther, you'd have to admit that you do not own the seals either, nor do McCartney, Watson or PETA and thus have no say in the matter.

Drunken Statistics say... where? And please post a reputable link, not one for Paris Hiltons Webring or paul Watsons personal Blog.


No market for baby seals? You ever come to Newfoundland? There's barely a restaurant around that doesn't sell flipper pie and other dishes made from seal meat. There are thousands of items that use the Omega 3 we glean from harvested seals. And the furs sell like hot-cakes. If there was no market for this, why would we be doing it??....

Oh right! Once every year all us Newfoundlanders take a vacation from our million-dollar jobs, and scurry out to the ice for an old-fashioned drunken seal-clubbing soiree. We have bar-Mitzvahs out there as well, so come have a dandy time!!!

Who outlawed Newfoundland sealing, by the way, and why exactly would they do that while declaring the Greenland hunt and the Alaskan cull completely legal? Are these the same chaps that refuse to charge foreign vessels illegally fishing in newfoundlands Waters? NAFO perhaps? Or that lofty international institution, the FuzzyFriend Eco Buddies Brigade

we don't live in caves anymore, so we at least agree on that, so why act like cavemen?

And we've never lived in kennels, so why act like a b-....

:lol:

I don't know which of the intellectual luminaries PETA puts forward make me want to rally to ths cause more... the half-baked guitar strummer, the washed-up actress, or that Silicone Siren of the West Coast. MAN! Its like the Nobel Peace Prizes over there!
 

Sassylassie

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Ah, nothing like signing on to the forum to find a newbie posting insulting post towards NFL sealers, and the Newfoundland people.

Do I smell agenda, propaganda? What do they troll all day looking to find a forum so they can shove their beliefs down our throats.
I'd rather have Flipper Pie, thanks anyway.

P.S. Dory man have a great day and "Long Live the Seal Hunt."
 

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Dory most worthy causes I support, this one is not a worthy cause. It should be called Pita, as in Pita bread open it up and it's empty.

Money, money and more money. Green, yep the color of money. A charity I think not, it's nothing more than a PR stunt for celebs and the rich and famous. It's all about getting their pictures/names in the paper, flash and money. That reminds me it's time to take out the trash.

Soon they will get bored and head to their summer places in the Hamptons.

Thanks for the pie Dory.
 

Melanie

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As I read above, the international court for animal rights found sealers and the Canadian Government guilty of sadistic behaviour, that's who says its illegal. Remember, you can not be that far behind in times, we have one world courts now, which Canada did radify in agreement to. But I guess we can ignore what the courts tell us, because you know Canadians, some of us we will lie cheat and steal just to be right, others that don't just ignore it.
Oh I know there is a market for seal meat in northern areas of Canada, but not 325,000 carcusses. Also I know there is a demand for pelt, in asia. Greenland....Alaska? Greenland and America has banned all seal produsts from Canada. Mass slaughter of seal takes place in neither country, only ours, truth the ones killed there are trapped. Trapped, not so called hunted. So where is the reason, how is it like 325,000 dead seals for pelt? The fact is people like drug addicts never see the effect they have by the terrible things they do for money.
 

Jay

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Melanie said:
Remember, you can not be that far behind in times, we have one world courts now, which Canada did radify in agreement to.

That should change immediately.
 

Sassylassie

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Has anyone else noticed that these trolls only speak up when the Seal Harvest is active. If this cause is so un-just where are you and the rest of the activists after the Harvest. What I can't hear you from the Hamptons. Of course you only get photo ops once a year.

Yes it's about money, not the sealers being the greedy pigs, but the activist who are handsomley paid to scream and rant and rave. It's very amusing, like watching the bull across the street chase the the cows.
 

Melanie

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Funny, my friends and I researched all restaurants and their menues in NewFoundland and guess what? If they all serve it, they are ashamed of it. Then you won't have to worry about seeing us trolls next year, because by then with a second conviction in the world courts, boycotts, and other means this will be illegal completely, as like killing the white coats. Remember, the last time this happened in such a mass number white coats became illegal. Now we have an animal rights world court standing behind us on the rights of these animals as the people of the world do through the International Criminal Court.