The Hunt is Coming

[Melanie]

no I am not saying it is right. I am saying the cow industry is completely legal as accepted, for domestic use of livestock for food purposes. And is regulated, in order to insure survival. However wild marine mammals a long with environmental effects can not be counted or attributed to. We have many times in history tried to cull to protect the species or another species. It has never worked we have seen the mass extinction it causes and the greatest loss of animals since the dinosaurs. We can not keep meddling in wildlife. The past is proof of that. See everyone here thinks I am against the hunt because "they are cute" "honestly they are darn cute" but truth, I am against it because tons of documents and films observed by the world court shows there is more waste than not. More is left to rot than saved. Which proves most are in it for the pelt. I am for survival and I believe people should be able to hunt for personal consumption for food and should also be allowed then to sale the pelt locally or within Canada. Mass culls for pelt is the truth and that is what I am against the waste of it. The mass number is bound to be devastating as with cod and other species. However cold blooded animals are not as effected as warm blooded to changes in the environment, it is usually polution factors that effect the fish, over fishing etc. The fact remains we can never fix what we damage where the environment is concerned. Mass culling of wild life for any reason is wrong, monetarily driven is even more wrong, and babies under 10 months is also wrong where wildlife is concerned. Which is the cold hard truth to this.

Someone earlier stated I could not go into a restaraunt and not find seal, I was just stating other wise. Fact there are not enough low income familys to injest 325,000 seal. FACT. If you can prove there is a market for it or the consumption is plausible, then why hasn't that been shown to the court? If you could prove a market for it large enough for seal meat outside of Canada, I would seriously back it. But since it is inside Canada, it should only be for personal consumption based on family size. Also nowhere in the world are wild animals culled for supposed survival culling, where millions are made. In fact they use contraceptives for elephants. Also warm blooded wild animals are never mass culled for food or commercial purposes only the seal. Wild animals are hunted for personal consumption. Fact remains seal from Canada is illegal in most places and will be everywhere soon. Fact! The courts found Canada guilty of gross negligence and other crimes which they say are sadistic in nature and for no reason bare a place in modern society. So if this is validifiable....validate it, prove it to the courts and the world. This is not about ending the seal hunt as everyone has assumed it is but about saving it for personal consumption. If the protesters win, the courts have given them a green light for boycotts that will eventually work. Then killing seal period will be illegal, like other species. And that is what this is about, being intelligent and not pretending this isn't real. And that is the truth.

 

[FiveParadox]

I move that the membership assemble into the Supreme Court of Canadian Content and that Melanie be now charged and tried for gross ignorance of the facts, gross delusions due to cuteness, and attempts to destroy the Northern population of Canada.

Melanie, while you are pleading for us here to consider your arguments, you simultaneously seem to have resolved yourself to the logic that these seals are helpless little things who are on the brink of extinction due to these activities — whereas their termination is due to the opposite: their overpopulation.

We must keep in mind, please, that these seals are being killed for the purpose of keeping a healthy fish stock, so that the Northern population of Canada can continue to thrive in the manner in which it has. The population of seals continues to live strongly, notwithstanding this annual control.

It should also be noted that the Government of Canada makes no money from this.

 

[I think not]

You know there are some things I get and some things I don't, this thread is one I don't. It is true that cruelty to animals exists everywhere, and cruelty doesn't necessarily mean the method but it can also mean the reason for killing. This is the reason why organizations such as PETA exist. Now I'm sure the people who hunt these seals need the money, otherwise they wouldn't go on the hunt, but you all shouldn't decry organizations that seek to stop cruelty to animals.

The fact cows stand up in a box all their lives doesn't diminish the cruelty of killing seals for pelt, let's face it, seal meat isn't a world delicacy. These organizations fight the same fight all over the world, whether it be for drug research and development or just plain cruelty. The Spanish fishing fleets have done more to reduce your fish stock than the seals, what do you propose, club the Spaniards?

 

[Melanie]

Fact, did you personally count the seals? Are you following the hunt? They just are not out there in the vast numbers the Canadian government claims. Other governments UK+US+EU+++++ say opposite you. Funny this cull happens only to babies with real nice pelt not the older seal or the males, and this mass cull seems to have a large price tag on it, coincidence, NOT! The point is how do you know what might kill 325,000 tomorrow? Do you see the furture? The way the worlds weather has been no one can say for sure, let me see didn't Canada say 325,000 needed culling? Well if you cull 325,000 and the day after 300,000 drown or are poisoned because contaminates get into the water supply or some other event we as humans can't fore see. There goes your 325,000 needs to be culled. But hey what do you care, you made your cash? So in the end when all is said and done, and their is no more easy money of pelt, what will you say? Let's get the whales now? Hopefully it will be let's get real jobs that we can be proud of. But I doubt it, the mentality has just not arrived in that area. By the way, your government does lie to you, believe it or not, and to the world, but the world is catching on. Question is, when will you?

 

[FiveParadox]

Melanie, for the love of God, get off your high moral horse.

Have you counted those seals personally?

Can you see the future? Can you tell me that these seals are not, in fact, a danger to lingering fish stocks? Why should your information be any more valid than ours? And no, our Government does not benefit financially from the seal cull — nor do citizens of Canada outside the North. We simply have the common sense to consider facts, as opposed to cuteness.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

. So the issue is not the same. And the Inuits are also being mislead, again, it is not the Inuit hunt for survival on attack here, but the commercial cull of wild animals for pelt. Baby animals I might add.

I think the Inuit understand what is going on as well as the rest of us, Melanie. To assume that they believe only what the government spoonfeeds them is asinine.
That's what I hate about these protestors, the sense of superiority. "Those poor misled little Inuit can't possibly understand this issue."
"Those damn barbarian Newfies can't understand how to come into the 21st century.",

"we're the ONLY people who can understand this, and we need to tell everyone."

:roll:

 

[Melanie]

yes, please do tell everyone because you will need to, in fact an attorney for Canada has tried to present your case again same verdict, monetarily driven sadistic behaviour, I did not say it nine jurors and judges said it, but I am saying it now. The evidence just does not back what you say, in fact all video footage, documented evidence of the hunt, *why do you think you took the evidence this year? Or thought you did.. statistics everywhere but Canada are all in the favor of the seals.Truthfully through emails, we have found, inuits were under the belief system that people were trying to stop the hunt for personal consumption, when in fact we want the monetarily driven commercial hunt stopped. So it is you who do not truely know all facts only the ones that benefit you and your seal skin purse. FACT!

 

[Doryman]

Also I know there is a demand for pelt, in asia.

Does that diminish the demand? Asians aren't people, who cares what they want.... :roll:

Greenland....Alaska? Greenland and America has banned all seal produsts from Canada. Mass slaughter of seal takes place in neither country, only ours, truth the ones killed there are trapped.Trapped, not so called hunted.

They do hunt/cull seals. Greenland takes from the same herd as we do, actually. And what is the difference between being trapped, or being clubbed on the ice? They aren't tickled free of their pelt after being trapped Melanie, they are killed, most likely by clubs.

am saying the cow industry is completely legal as accepted, for domestic use of livestock for food purposes. And is regulated, in order to insure survival.

Legal slaughter is different than illegal...oh, wait... slaughter legal in Canada? The seal hunt is as regulated as the Cattle industry.

use to take up for you people when our own country made fun of you and your low intelligence,

That's obviously one for me... but I have to remind you that, as far as I know, I am the ONLY Newfoundlander involved in this thread. Soooo,,,"you people" must refer to Newfoundlanders, Quebecers, PEI'ers, new Brunswickers, Nova Scotians... maybe you're looking at Canadians in General?

Or mabe you don't see outside your frilly box?

 

[Melanie]

I don' t know, why not ask the court why Greenland was found humane and you inhumane. (meaning those who do and agree with this) Also while your at it why not ask Greenland why they refuse seal from you? And America, I think it is obvious, yours is commercially driven and shipped to other countries mainly...Asia. Where other countries do actually eat the seal they kill, think that may be it? And the fact they do not have the money making industry you do off of pelt and no proof the meat is being consumed. Except the films I saw last year of mass amounts of seal lying on ice, only missing their pelt. First film dates were three days prior to the last film date showing the same seals lying there rotting, on many ice spans. Many drowning after not being killed properly, if you must know what the world has seen, Greenland included. What's the difference?? DUH! So tell me again who does not have the facts? That's what the court saw....exactly what we saw.

Oh really the seal hunt is regulated, oh that would explain seal shot and lost in the water before the sealers reach them...oh right ok...I get it. And the seal meat left to rot in mass numbers. How can you lie when the world has seen the truth. Seals bleeding for long distances before they stop and die. And those seals you kill that you say is a necessity for the cod stocks, why are they babies with nice pelt? HMMM let me guess. Let me see if you can guess. Pelt +free money=dead seal. Oh yeah again they have to be culled, funny most countries that have culled as with elephants never make millions off of it. They also use world wildlife experts accompanied by the federal government. However they use contraceptives now, that's a large leap into this century for a country like Africa, which is more than Canada can say.

You People meaning everyone who allows this barbaric hunt and ignores the truth of it. You people meaning I use to take up for the fact you just didn't have the whole truth about the hunt, now that you do, I can see why, they call you barbaric and lazy and money hungry evil.

Frilly box, that is totally funny, you do not have any idea about me, you can only judge me because I am compassionate I can judge you with blood for money as the main reason you say this is ok. If you say yes to barbarism and a total lack of respect for the worlds opinion on such a thing. Great country we are suppose to be. Does it not bother you we yell at the world and then we view this ugly truth? I guess not, how can we lead a world as everyone screams when we don't care what people think of us,as long as we make a few bucks? Thought so.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

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Does it not bother you we yell at the world and then we view this ugly truth? I guess not, how can we lead a world as everyone screams when we don't care what people think of us,as long as we make a few bucks? Thought so.

Does the fact that poor lobsters a thrown into boiling water on a daily basis not bother you? Marry Tyler Moore would be disguested.

 

[Said1]

Amanda:

Are you a vegan?

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

I don' t know, why not ask the court why Greenland was found humane and you inhumane. (meaning those who do and agree with this) Also while your at it why not ask Greenland why they refuse seal from you? And America,

I think the term is Protectionism. IF Greenland and America ban our products, it leaves the market wide open for their own.

. And those seals you kill that you say is a necessity for the cod stocks, why are they babies with nice pelt? HMMM let me guess. Let me see if you can guess. Pelt +free money=dead seal.

Exactly. I have never argued that the seals are not killed for money. They are. The sealers kiled the seals to get paid, just like fishermen catch fish for money, chicken farmers slaughter chickens for money, etc...

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You People meaning everyone who allows this barbaric hunt and ignores the truth of it. You people meaning I use to take up for the fact you just didn't have the whole truth about the hunt, now that you do, I can see why, they call you barbaric and lazy and money hungry evil.

You used to pick up for Seal Hunt supporters? Naughty girl, if Greenpeace finds out about this your losing the Ecofriend of the week Starbucks certificate. Tsk Tsk..

Does it not bother you we yell at the world and then we view this ugly truth?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't yell at the world. I try not to go around blowing off at other people.

 

[Melanie]

The trouble with your world is not that you know so little, it is that the little you do know is just plain wrong. Fact! for ever little right reason you come up with for culling seal in this manner, there are 100 wrong ones. When something is more wrong than right, I suppose in your eyes it is ok to continue. Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't. Natural disasters could strike and cull that many without your help, you just do not know and if it does we are looking at extinction do to severe dramatical changes in the marine eco system, when giving something besides money a reason for hunting or not here, or mass culling, if we are honest we will see it is just plain ignorant and is an exact repeat of the past destroying many species.
There are nmany documented cases of seals washing ashore after mass culls and deaths caused by natural disasters. Fact 325,000 is not the true number many drown after being shot or not completely killed, we see the footage, so this hunt and the number of seals killed are not correct. In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds? Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So this is no different than china and their cats and dogs, they also have a mentality of a five year old. So please people don't even try it. They aren't lobsters, which by the way are worth nothing hardly coming from Canada now. They are not fish (I am not sure if you are aware of this)Fisherman say they don't even want to bother with them. Losing more in lobster sales for seal pelt is absurd, however you just want to continue on your way and will as long as the world lets you. Checking lately I believe you will just have to find something else to kill for your easy money. By the way there are help wanted signs all over Canada, I would suggest considering grabbing a job before you sealers are out of business, a real job, a humane one. On any note I am out of here, a lost cause is simply that, a lost cause. By the way culling means ridding of weaker species not babies....does that mean people should cull the Newfoundler's sealers because their actions are clearly from the stone ages and they are clearly a threat to our marine population? Hmmmmm...............I didn't think so

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't.

Translation into normal people talk...."if you don't agree with the activists you simply aren't seeing this from both sides".


I thought you said you had a job?

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

The trouble with your world is not that you know so little, it is that the little you do know is just plain wrong. Fact! for ever little right reason you come up with for culling seal in this manner, there are 100 wrong ones. When something is more wrong than right, I suppose in your eyes it is ok to continue. Driven by monetary gain you fail to step away from yourselves long enough to openly view both sides. (No one here can say I haven't) But I can tell you haven't. Natural disasters could strike and cull that many without your help, you just do not know and if it does we are looking at extinction do to severe dramatical changes in the marine eco system, when giving something besides money a reason for hunting or not here, or mass culling, if we are honest we will see it is just plain ignorant and is an exact repeat of the past destroying many species.
There are nmany documented cases of seals washing ashore after mass culls and deaths caused by natural disasters. Fact 325,000 is not the true number many drown after being shot or not completely killed, we see the footage, so this hunt and the number of seals killed are not correct. In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds? Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So this is no different than china and their cats and dogs, they also have a mentality of a five year old. So please people don't even try it. They aren't lobsters, which by the way are worth nothing hardly coming from Canada now. They are not fish (I am not sure if you are aware of this)Fisherman say they don't even want to bother with them. Losing more in lobster sales for seal pelt is absurd, however you just want to continue on your way and will as long as the world lets you. Checking lately I believe you will just have to find something else to kill for your easy money. By the way there are help wanted signs all over Canada, I would suggest considering grabbing a job before you sealers are out of business, a real job, a humane one. On any note I am out of here, a lost cause is simply that, a lost cause. By the way culling means ridding of weaker species not babies....does that mean people should cull the Newfoundler's sealers because their actions are clearly from the stone ages and they are clearly a threat to our marine population? Hmmmmm...............I didn't think so

I said

Are you a Vegan. And no, not eating seal doesn't count.

See, the way I see is that the slaughter, yes slaughter of any animal, for the purpose of profit is cruel, regulated or no. Period. You've heard of a kosher butcher, haven't you? I'm not much of a vegan though, I'll admit to eating chicken and fish - the hypocrite that I am. But chicken and fish and crustations (lobster) are stupid, so who cares right? Would you support a child buring ants with a magnifying glass too?


And try and asnwer me with three or four sentances, I have no desire to re-read your thoughts over and over and over. Mmmkay?

 

[#juan]

Melanie

Have you noticed? There are absolutely dozens of other topics on these forums.

The seal hunt has been going on in some fashion for going on four hundred years. Long before Newfoundland joined confederation. Who are we to tell them to stop. If the hunt bruises your tender sensitivities, don't look at it. You can't get much more remote that an ice floe in Labrador. It costs Protesters a lot of money to just get there. Don't feel sorry for them though, the protesters are making tens of millions more than the sealers.

 

[Said1]

Melanie

Have you noticed? There are absolutely dozens of other topics on these forums.

The seal hunt has been going on in some fashion for going on four hundred years. Long before Newfoundland joined confederation. Who are we to tell them to stop. If the hunt bruises your tender sensitivities, don't look at it. You can't get much more remote that an ice floe in Labrador. It costs Protesters a lot of money to just get there. Don't feel sorry for them though, the protesters are making tens of millions more than the sealers.

I don't think the protesters, such as her noticed the help wanted signs all over Canada either. :lol:

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: The Hunt is Coming

In fact video footage says one third went unreported or unrecovered. I am so emazed at people who honestly say this is ok and put seal in a catagory with fish all the time. Has it registered to anyone here that they are warm-blooded intelligent animals with mentality's of five year olds?Meaning they can learn things and do remember. So this is no different than china and their cats and dogs, they also have a mentality of a five year old.

That's just a lie, Melanie. Even Chimpanzees only have the intelligence of a 3-4 yr old... Seals don't come close to that. They are about as intelligent as otters or beavers. Simply learning and remembering cannot equate to the mental capacities of a 5 year old human.

By the way culling means ridding of weaker species not babies....does that mean people should cull the Newfoundler's sealers because their actions are clearly from the stone ages and they are clearly a threat to our marine population? Hmmmmm...............I didn't think so

Cull us then. We'll meet you on the floes. :lol:

 

[Said1]

Plus, learning and remembering things that are largely instinctual are not meausres of subjective potential intelligence. I think seals can be trained to do a little more than beavers, mostly involving hitting a ball with their nose and stuff.

 

[Melanie]

I am hypocritical if I eat meat and an extremist if I don't, fact Canada will continue to kill seal as long as the world lets them, the hunt has been going on since the 1700's which is longer than 400 years, the inuits longer and they do not kill 1 million seal in three years.

Fact the loss of lobster sales (even in statements made by fisherman) say lobster is virtually worth nothing and not worth fishing, makes since losing money in tourism and lobster sales for killing seal, unless you just like killing them.



"Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the 6 million seals, or whatever number is out there, killed and sold, or destroyed and burned. I do not care what happens to them... the more they kill the better I will love it."

John Efford, Canadian Minister of Natural Resources

Fact when man eliminates all prdators to obtain the prey for himself or for economic increase we rid our world of all natural predators leaving weak, sickly prey. Natures natural cull of the weaker species is destroyed. And this doesn't take lies it is common sense.

The 2010 Canadian Olympic symbol which was unveiled April 25th 2005 arrived interestingly on the same day that 1,700 infant Harp Seals washed up on the shores of Newfoundland (collateral damage) only days after the largest mass killing of marine mammals in the history of the world.

Did you count these in your cull last year, or the ones lost because they went into the water and drown? Even places that hunt condemns Canada, shame! Didn't think so.

Well if the activists make so much money which is a lie, Watson, whether you like him or not proved his point and proved where his money went, on the other hand what about the poloticians accusing him, that have since been fired for such things as misappropriating funds along with other charges? hmmm...

All I know if they make so much and you know you are losing money or will? Why not cut off their way of making the millions? Fact the last time the law was passed banning white coat there wasn't half the attention or protest. In the end you will lose even the right to hunt for personal consumption and then people who need it to survive will be the ones hurt. The ones who are in it for the pelt will just find something else to cull for profit in mass numbers. Sad. Honestly bye all. When you can't get anyone to even look at a hunt for personal consumption and the sale of pelt and oil inside of Canada alone, (eventually it will be banned all over anyway) And think it is a win win, you know it is for greed, and when money is involved the people will fight for their rights to kill for it, all the way to death. Greed= lost cause.