The "Harper Government"

[CDNBear]

So i am getting extremely tired of the arrogance of our reigning political party. I am constantly bombarded with news where references are made to the "Harper Government" and I am at a point of being past laughing. Do Steve and his minions not understand that it is the government of the people of Canada and not their own little kingdom? He is simply the caretaker of OUR government. It is not his any more than it is yours or mine so I thought I would throw this up for discussion.

So I was getting extremely tired of the arrogance of the past reigning political party. I was constantly bombarded with news where references are to the "Martin,/Cretien, Government" and I was at a point of being past laughing. Did Paul or Jean or their minions not understand that it was the government of the people of Canada and not their own little kingdom? They were simply caretakers of OUR government. It was not theirs, anymore than it was yours or mine. So I thought I would point that out to you, in hopes you grow out of your present condition.

 

[JLM]

Cops never bust into homes do searches and then get warrants later. That NEVER happens.

And sometimes they even bust into the home next door to the one they are targeting and ransack the place before they catch on to the error of their ways. :lol:

 

[Walter]

And sometimes they even bust into the home next door to the one they are targeting and ransack the place before they catch on to the error of their ways. :lol:

And sometimes doctors cut off the wrong appendage.
wrong leg amputated - Bing=

 

[JLM]

What we have is a Reform government committed to the issues of the eighties
even though the problems and issues have moved on. The Reform/Conservative
movement is not really a government at all they operate from an ideology rather
than reality. Taking on Medicare, Pensions, and the dismantling of what is left of
individual rights will hasten their demise. The Harper Government has already
had its day.
.

Do "Rights" include things that have to be paid for with legal tender? I don't think it's so much a matter of "taking on Medicare, Pensions and dismantling rights", as the problem in working out how they will be funded. Governments have to change with Demographics. When I first started in the workforce, the average retiree was dead within two years or so of when he/she retired, now there is a good percentage of people who are retired for longer than they work and the escalation of medical costs is parallel to the pension costs.

And sometimes doctors cut off the wrong appendage.
wrong leg amputated - Bing=

That sh*t happens once in awhile, other times the patient gets sewn up with half the doc's tools still inside him................trying to sh*t out a scalpel can be rather painful! :lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

This is a government born in the eighties out of a movement of a narrow view
of the world, The old Reform Party was an extreme right wing agenda waiting
to happen. In the nineties they realized their agenda would be rejected by a
majority of Canadians. That is when they set about hijacking the weakened
Conservative Party. The only thing they missed was a turncoat and someone
in that movement that would sell the fiscal conservatives out and they found their
man Peter McKay.
What we have is a Reform government committed to the issues of the eighties
even though the problems and issues have moved on. The Reform/Conservative
movement is not really a government at all they operate from an ideology rather
than reality. Taking on Medicare, Pensions, and the dismantling of what is left of
individual rights will hasten their demise. The Harper Government has already
had its day.
I refer them to the locust that come every half century and destroy almost everything
then then Canadians rebuild a social and economic society designed for a broader
range of Canadians only to have this lot of political locusts come again. Not to worry
their time in office is limited to the patients of Canadians and we have nearly run out
of that.

Ah, Grumpy. Unfortunately, gov't will always talk about doing something about something and by the time they actually get around to doing anything, the issue is old, their actions are inapplicable or just plain stupid. Most of gov't is loudmouthed and brainless. It really doesn't matter what gov't it is.

 

[damngrumpy]

It is as my grandfather once told me, governments are like babies, no matter how many
times you change them they keep on making a mess

 

[taxslave]

Do "Rights" include things that have to be paid for with legal tender? I don't think it's so much a matter of "taking on Medicare, Pensions and dismantling rights", as the problem in working out how they will be funded. Governments have to change with Demographics. When I first started in the workforce, the average retiree was dead within two years or so of when he/she retired, now there is a good percentage of people who are retired for longer than they work and the escalation of medical costs is parallel to the pension costs.



That sh*t happens once in awhile, other times the patient gets sewn up with half the doc's tools still inside him................trying to sh*t out a scalpel can be rather painful! :lol:

Now that we have our rights back we can use them to cure this excessive longevity.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hey, Petros - you're losing your edge, that don't make sense. It's the law non abiding types they are trying to address. Actually just for sake of argument let's say I'm suspected of pedophilia/ porn distribution, if they take an hour of my time to rule me out GOOD. It just expedites the rest of their investigation and one less person is a consideration. Now having said that I don't want them breaking my door down at 3 A.M. :lol:

Wow....that's a spooky proposed law. Lets say you are suspected of pedophilia/porn
distribution? "They" (being Law Enforcement) can take their evidence (to justify their
suspicion) to a Judge, and if he/she feels the evidence warrents it....a warrent can
be issued (removing the potential for unwarrented fishing expeditions into your, and
everyone else's, privacy), and then an hour of your time to rule you out as GOOD
can be taken. If it's just the non abiding types "they" are trying to address, then
a warrent granted with evidence to a Judge wouldn't be out of sorts, would it?

Once the door to this sort'a thing is opened, without having to justify a "suspicion" to
invade your (or anyone else's) privacy....where will it end? Right now it's proposed as
"just" your name & email & ph# & I.P. & so on and so forth...but can you not picture that
being expanded upon once the safeguards are removed and the taps are opened?

 

[damngrumpy]

The very premise that they are defending their offensive actions as a portrayal of being noble
suggests the opposite. It is funny how people view this for example if you have nothing to hide
no problem. Eventually it can be used to say, silence political opposition because some
conversation produces some embarrassment but nothing illegal. Or they can distort the original
facts to be used against political foes.
The government has no place in peoples private conversations and business that is in any way
lawful. In fact everyone is supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty and this flies
in the face of a fundamental law in and of itself. This government is trying to pry the door open
so they can circumvent democracy itself and that should be a cause for concern for any and all
patriotic citizens regardless of their political vent.
We are a nation of laws and social interaction. We are the symbol of democracy around the world.
For any government to wish to circumvent these fundamental rights, should sound the alarm bells
of concern as to what they are really up to. Any government without malice in its heart would have
no need to go there. Our democracy is being eroded by a social conservative agenda that is
bent on dictating the social edicate of our people for the future. We will resist going back to the
time of Queen Victoria.
Again I believe the present government is painting itself into a corner on a number of issues that
will lead to its resounding defeat in the next election. Harper has been given the trust of a majority
and they are abusing confirming what the opposition parties said all along, they have an agenda
and we can't trust them. This is another example of why they can't be trusted.

 

[JLM]

The very premise that they are defending their offensive actions as a portrayal of being noble
suggests the opposite. It is funny how people view this for example if you have nothing to hide
no problem. Eventually it can be used to say, silence political opposition because some
conversation produces some embarrassment but nothing illegal. Or they can distort the original
facts to be used against political foes.
The government has no place in peoples private conversations and business that is in any way
lawful. In fact everyone is supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty and this flies
in the face of a fundamental law in and of itself. This government is trying to pry the door open
so they can circumvent democracy itself and that should be a cause for concern for any and all
patriotic citizens regardless of their political vent.
We are a nation of laws and social interaction. We are the symbol of democracy around the world.
For any government to wish to circumvent these fundamental rights, should sound the alarm bells
of concern as to what they are really up to. Any government without malice in its heart would have
no need to go there. Our democracy is being eroded by a social conservative agenda that is
bent on dictating the social edicate of our people for the future. We will resist going back to the
time of Queen Victoria.
Again I believe the present government is painting itself into a corner on a number of issues that
will lead to its resounding defeat in the next election. Harper has been given the trust of a majority
and they are abusing confirming what the opposition parties said all along, they have an agenda
and we can't trust them. This is another example of why they can't be trusted.

You and Ron make good points.