The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

[bluealberta]

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Opps...forgot to add...The FACT is that you guys are spinning harder than Willie Mosconi in a trick shot competition.

That may be true if Spin was a fact and not an opinion. :roll:

No spin, the registry does nothing more to stop crime now than before it came along. Two billion wasted. Yet people continue to try and justify it. Probably the same way the liberals justified Adscam. What a joke.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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27,000 police officers? You really do like the idea of a police state, don't you? By the way, that would make the $2 billion a cost that had to be paid over and over again. Now that the Registry is set up, costs are dropping.

 

[stratochief]

I don't want the 2 billion (and counting) wasted on the Gun Registry spent elsewhere. I don't want it taxed in the first place. Leave the money in the pockets of Canadians.

Note: unregistered .22 rifle in my house. The Alberta government has stated it will not enforce the law so is Ontario (home of Ottawa)going to send an army out to Alberta? Actually, the last I heard from the registry gurus is that you don't even have to register your firearm but have the 'intent' to register it. a group of Alberta MLAs made it clear they have no 'intention' of registration. They are still waiting for the Feds in Ontario to knock on the door.

 

[bluealberta]

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27,000 police officers? You really do like the idea of a police state, don't you? By the way, that would make the $2 billion a cost that had to be paid over and over again. Now that the Registry is set up, costs are dropping.

Oh? They just approved another $200million for the registry in the last budget. Again I remind you, the registry's initial cost was supposed to be $2million.

The point about the police officers was an example. So cut the number in half, and use the rest plus the ongoing money poured into the registry to pay them. Either way, having police officers is a much better way to spend the money than the useless registry.

And I have nothing to fear from the police, so I would not consider more policemen/women on the street a bad thing. Do you?

 

[Reverend Blair]

No spin, the registry does nothing more to stop crime now than before it came along. Two billion wasted. Yet people continue to try and justify it. Probably the same way the liberals justified Adscam. What a joke.

Nothing but spin, Blue. You guys haven't offered a fact yet. You know that you cannot prove that something didn't happen. That leaves you relying on statistics. Gun crime is down.

The point about the police officers was an example. So cut the number in half, and use the rest plus the ongoing money poured into the registry to pay them. Either way, having police officers is a much better way to spend the money than the useless registry.

And I have nothing to fear from the police, so I would not consider more policemen/women on the street a bad thing. Do you?

It was a bad example...we don't need a cop on every corner. I don't have a single thing to fear from the police, Blue. I do fear my country being turned into a police state by the fear-mongering radical right though.

 

[bluealberta]

No spin, the registry does nothing more to stop crime now than before it came along. Two billion wasted. Yet people continue to try and justify it. Probably the same way the liberals justified Adscam. What a joke.

Nothing but spin, Blue. You guys haven't offered a fact yet. You know that you cannot prove that something didn't happen. That leaves you relying on statistics. Gun crime is down.

The point about the police officers was an example. So cut the number in half, and use the rest plus the ongoing money poured into the registry to pay them. Either way, having police officers is a much better way to spend the money than the useless registry.

And I have nothing to fear from the police, so I would not consider more policemen/women on the street a bad thing. Do you?

It was a bad example...we don't need a cop on every corner. I don't have a single thing to fear from the police, Blue. I do fear my country being turned into a police state by the fear-mongering radical right though.

AS opposed to the lying and cheating of the fear mongering radical left?

Enough, you have your views, I have mine. Neither will change, and I would like to hear from others with other opinions which would add to this debate, instead of this continuing merrygoround.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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No lying and cheating here, Blue. No police states, detentions without charges, or golf rage either. Is that why you need all those cops, Blue...too much violence on Calgary golf courses?

 

[bluealberta]

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No lying and cheating here, Blue. No police states, detentions without charges, or golf rage either. Is that why you need all those cops, Blue...too much violence on Calgary golf courses?

Nope, but it appears you certainly need them in Manitoba:


Marine on leave attacked in The Pas
Last Updated May 10 2005 07:47 AM CDT
CBC News
Cpl. Leonard Anderson survived seven months in Fallujah, Iraq, without a scratch – but after just three days on leave in The Pas, the U.S. marine is fighting for his life after a vicious attack.

Anderson had returned home to visit friends and family, and he was booked to speak at several schools in the The Pas area to thank the children for sending cards and letters of support during his tour of duty with the U.S. Marine Corps.

FROM OCT. 25, 2004: Support my marine, says mom

Instead, Anderson was flown to Winnipeg for medical treatment after what police believe was a gang-related fight outside a local bar. His lung was punctured and his kidney and liver were cut with what is believed to be a machete.

"He's in a lot of pain and he had to be really quiet, because they said the organs need time to heal," says Anderson's mother, Marlene Starr.

Starr says her son was out to a local bar with some friends when a fight broke out. She says Anderson was watching the scuffle when he was hit from behind.

"There was a commotion in the crowd and he was standing on his tiptoes to see what it was about and that's when he was hit from behind with a machete," says Starr.

RCMP believe the fight was between alleged gang members and another patron of the bar. At least three other people were also injured in the melee.

Starr expects her son to be in hospital for the next seven to 10 days, and away from the marines for the next three months.

RCMP have charged a 26-year-old man from The Pas in the incident.


Between that and downtown Winnipeg, seems that you folks have all the rage. Probably comes from not being either western or eastern canadians, so you dont know which way to spin.

 

[frankhilliard]

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I passed my Canadian Firearms Safety Course last night and felt pretty good. Got 100% on the written and 88% on the practical. Now I have to do the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course in order to apply for a Posession and Acquisition License for a handgun. If all the timing works perfectly, I should have this in my hands in two months. That will make it three months from start to finish.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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That's not to bad, Frank. It takes longer than that to get a driver's license, after.

 

[Jay]

It was a bad example...we don't need a cop on every corner. I don't have a single thing to fear from the police, Blue. I do fear my country being turned into a police state by the fear-mongering radical right though.

Ok....but you have something to fear from someone who owns a hand gun?

Police carry them too...I don't get it.

Your accusing Blue of being a fear monger, but what is the left doing if not selling fear with this gun registry.

How on earth is keeping a list of people who have guns, anything but "police state" tactics. We on the right would relax guns laws, that’s how you keep a free nation, not by putting more cops on the street...you allow the citizens to defend themselves. Gun training and self-defense training are the answers to keeping a police state from coming in.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

How on earth is keeping a list of people who have guns, anything but "police state" tactics. We on the right would relax guns laws, that’s how you keep a free nation, not by putting more cops on the street...you allow the citizens to defend themselves. Gun training and self-defense training are the answers to keeping a police state from coming in.

Defend themselves from what Jay?

 

[Jay]

Criminals, and such.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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Criminals, and such.

I find stealth and a tire iron to be a far more effective deterrent than any firearm... :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Ok....but you have something to fear from someone who owns a hand gun?

Gertting shot, getting robbed, getting threatened...you know, ther usual things that guns get used for.

Police carry them too...I don't get it.

Police have a whole lot of explaining to do everytime they use their guns. They have guidelines and restrictions. They have special training. They still kill people wrongfully...by accident or on purpose depending on the situation.

Your accusing Blue of being a fear monger, but what is the left doing if not selling fear with this gun registry.

Selling responsibility. If you have to fear or to hide, then why are you afraid of the gun registry?

We on the right would relax guns laws, that’s how you keep a free nation, not by putting more cops on the street...you allow the citizens to defend themselves.

Why don't you ask the kids maimed at Columbine how free they feel? You are talking about relaxing restrictions on guns, after all. Presumably your model for this is the gun state to our south, since other developed nations retrict ownership.

Gun training and self-defense training are the answers to keeping a police state from coming in.

Bull-shit. You'll have people "defending" themselves in bars by shooting each other. You know how many bars I go to that have metal detectors on the way in? None. You relax gun laws though, and that goes away in a hurry. Of course the metal detectors will only keep the guns in the parking lot. That means you need more cops. It also means that those cops need to be better armed.

If you want a gun to hunt with, that's fine with me. If you are afraid to let the authorities know that you have that gun, I begin to get a little suspicious of your motives. When begin talking about relaxing laws on the ownership of presently restricted weapons like hand guns, alarm bells start to go off.

Increased access to guns is not a sign of freedom, it's a sign that you are trapped by fear.

 

[Jay]

It doesn't sound to me like I'm the one in fear.

 

[bluealberta]

Ok....but you have something to fear from someone who owns a hand gun?

Gertting shot, getting robbed, getting threatened...you know, ther usual things that guns get used for.

Police carry them too...I don't get it.

Police have a whole lot of explaining to do everytime they use their guns. They have guidelines and restrictions. They have special training. They still kill people wrongfully...by accident or on purpose depending on the situation.

Your accusing Blue of being a fear monger, but what is the left doing if not selling fear with this gun registry.

Selling responsibility. If you have to fear or to hide, then why are you afraid of the gun registry?

We on the right would relax guns laws, that’s how you keep a free nation, not by putting more cops on the street...you allow the citizens to defend themselves.

Why don't you ask the kids maimed at Columbine how free they feel? You are talking about relaxing restrictions on guns, after all. Presumably your model for this is the gun state to our south, since other developed nations retrict ownership.

Gun training and self-defense training are the answers to keeping a police state from coming in.

Bull-shit. You'll have people "defending" themselves in bars by shooting each other. You know how many bars I go to that have metal detectors on the way in? None. You relax gun laws though, and that goes away in a hurry. Of course the metal detectors will only keep the guns in the parking lot. That means you need more cops. It also means that those cops need to be better armed.

If you want a gun to hunt with, that's fine with me. If you are afraid to let the authorities know that you have that gun, I begin to get a little suspicious of your motives. When begin talking about relaxing laws on the ownership of presently restricted weapons like hand guns, alarm bells start to go off.

Increased access to guns is not a sign of freedom, it's a sign that you are trapped by fear.

There is no fear of the gun registry. The registry does nothing more or less than previous registration regulations did. Yet it costs us $2billion and rising to do not more or less. That is the problem with the registry. It costs a fortune and does nothing more or less than previous regulations did. Making farmer Brown a criminal because he does not register the .30-.30 he uses to shoot badgers, while not doing a thing to ensure guns do not end up in criminal hands is the height of luncacy and idiocy. The gang member in Calgary who just killed two other gang members undoubtedly registered his gun, right? :roll:

Spin it all you want, the registry does nothing more or less than previous registration requirements did. And costs us $2billion. Again I repeat, what a joke. Yet the left buys this as if it will stop all crime. Again I repeat, what a joke.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It doesn't sound to me like I'm the one in fear.

You are the one who wants a gun for personal protection and have remained ignorant enough of the situation in the US that you think we should loosen restrictions on hand guns in this country.

It sounds to me like you are afraid. It also sounds to me like the kind of fear that gets pizza delivery boys who go to the wrong house shot for knocking on the door.

 

[bluealberta]

It doesn't sound to me like I'm the one in fear.

You are the one who wants a gun for personal protection and have remained ignorant enough of the situation in the US that you think we should loosen restrictions on hand guns in this country.

It sounds to me like you are afraid. It also sounds to me like the kind of fear that gets pizza delivery boys who go to the wrong house shot for knocking on the door.

That response is typical of an uninformed response and promotes unnecessary fears to uninformed people. The same pizza guy could just as easily get stabbed by an unregistered knife. And I again reiterate, the Pacific NW in the US has fewer crimes per capita committed with guns than the Prairie provinces do. Same geographical location, much the same culture, much the same kind of political viewpoints, and much the same kind of urban/rural mix.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, Rev, as much as I hate this, I have to agree with blue on this one. It would be most interesting to see statistics on how many crimes are committed with registered guns as opposed to unregistered guns. The bad guys ain't going register. Never have. Back in "the day", many of my friends carried concealed weapons. Even then, it was illegal, but it did not stop them. Gun registration has probably had little effect on those people.

And, just to illustrate a point, I'd find it much more satisfying if blue showed up at my door and I greeted him with a shotgun full of rock salt rather than just my clever reparte!