The Gun Registry Must be Deregistered!!

[bluealberta]

That's why it's so difficult to try to reason with leftists. The only way they can stay leftist is to continually deny reality.

It is my OPINION that right-wing people are the people who are denying reality. You accuse US of being unreasonable? The right wing )again this is my opinion) is composed of people who have never learnt to reason. I arrived at most of my views by thinking about it, where did you get yours Blue? Right out of the mouth of Stephen Harper no doubt.

Actually, I have moved very close to the center, politically, in the past several years, agreeing with SS unions, when a few years ago I would have espoused a total rejection of the gay agenda. I support controlled immigration now, instead of closing the borders as I did a few years ago.

What has the left come to the center on? Nothing. SSM or nothing. OPen the doors to the country with virtually no limitations or qualifications. Support and pay for any and all special interest group in the country.

I am much less socially conservative than I was before, but I still retain my fiscal conservatism. I have no problems with accountable social spending, but all I see is the left identify something as a social need, whether it is or not, and then demand money for it. And when anyone wants to take a look at it, or disagrees with it, then that person is against, oh, pick one: Kids, poor, African nations, gays, abortion on demand, whatever. Wanting the spending to be accountable is not the same as not wanting to spend the money. Surely Adscam, HRDC, EI surplus, the gun registry, the helicopter program, the ill advised lawsuit against Mulroney and Moore should have taught us that we need to have accountability when it comes to spending the money of the taxpayers. Anything less is a capitulation to corruption.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

That's why it's so difficult to try to reason with leftists. The only way they can stay leftist is to continually deny reality.

It is my OPINION that right-wing people are the people who are denying reality. You accuse US of being unreasonable? The right wing )again this is my opinion) is composed of people who have never learnt to reason. I arrived at most of my views by thinking about it, where did you get yours Blue? Right out of the mouth of Stephen Harper no doubt.

Actually, I have moved very close to the center, politically, in the past several years, agreeing with SS unions, when a few years ago I would have espoused a total rejection of the gay agenda. I support controlled immigration now, instead of closing the borders as I did a few years ago.

*cough, cough, BULLSHIT*

 

[bluealberta]

Vanni, I guess you need to see a doctor. Believe me or not, your opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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[Vanni Fucci]

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[Reverend Blair]

Once again, there is no sense responding to opinions as facts.

Blue, you haven't put a fact up since you've been here. All you've voiced is opinions...opinions that have been shown to be wrong time and again.

Run off and play with your little friends now.

 

[Andem]

Let's get this topic BACK on topic.

It's about the Gun Registry and not about SSM or bickering about completely off-topic subjects.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Okay, lets. How come the US has such per capita rates of gun crime if regulation and registration is not the answer?

The fewer rules you have about guns, the more mayhem that guns produce. Registration forces gun owners to be responsible for their guns, just as registering your automobile makes you responsible for it.

 

[bluealberta]

Once again, there is no sense responding to opinions as facts.

Blue, you haven't put a fact up since you've been here. All you've voiced is opinions...opinions that have been shown to be wrong time and again.

Run off and play with your little friends now.

Pretty cocky tonight. I have no little friends. I state facts, you state opinions as facts. Big difference.

There is no proof at all that the gun registry has worked. No stats, no reports, nobody even knows anyone who works for this sinkhole of money. The money spent did absolutely no more than what the previous procdedures, regulations, and restrictions did. It was a political reaction to a terrible event, and was used to by urban votes. Urban votes who have no idea of life outside the confines of city limits where at times a gun is a necessary tool for living.

You claim that registering a gun forces owners to be responsible. Are you then saying that every gun owner who does not now, or did not previously, was NOT responsible for their guns? I know a lot of gun owners who would take you to task for that argument, because it is totally without basis and merit. The only gun owners who take no responsibility for their guns are the criminals who will not be registering their guns anyway.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must

Okay, lets. How come the US has such per capita rates of gun crime if regulation and registration is not the answer?

The fewer rules you have about guns, the more mayhem that guns produce. Registration forces gun owners to be responsible for their guns, just as registering your automobile makes you responsible for it.

Okay, how come the Pacific NW of the US, without the regulations we have in Canada, has less crimes involving guns per capita, than do the Canadian prairies?

How come we do not register knives, they are dangerous too, and many crimes are committed with knives? If you have to be responsible for your vehicle, should you not have to be responsible for your knives? How about your baseball bats, in the wrong hands, they can do a lot of damage too, and you should be responsible for it. The argument about vehicle registration is flawed for these very reasons.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I have no little friends.

I'm not surprised...your attitude kinda sucks.

Okay, how come the Pacific NW of the US, without the regulations we have in Canada, has less crimes involving guns per capita, than do the Canadian prairies?

How come we do not register knives, they are dangerous too, and many crimes are committed with knives? If you have to be responsible for your vehicle, should you not have to be responsible for your knives? How about your baseball bats, in the wrong hands, they can do a lot of damage too, and you should be responsible for it. The argument about vehicle registration is flawed for these very reasons.

There are restrictions on knives though, Blue. Try walking down the street with a sheathed Bowie knife sometime...the cops will stop you and you will be charged. The knife will be confiscated. You also cannot own a switchblade legally.

Keeping a baseball bat (or the fat end of a cue stick) under your car seat can also lead to charges.

Bats and most knives have purposes other than killing things though. Guns do not. Your straw-man argument falls apart again.

 

[bluealberta]

I have no little friends.

I'm not surprised...your attitude kinda sucks.

Okay, how come the Pacific NW of the US, without the regulations we have in Canada, has less crimes involving guns per capita, than do the Canadian prairies?

How come we do not register knives, they are dangerous too, and many crimes are committed with knives? If you have to be responsible for your vehicle, should you not have to be responsible for your knives? How about your baseball bats, in the wrong hands, they can do a lot of damage too, and you should be responsible for it. The argument about vehicle registration is flawed for these very reasons.

There are restrictions on knives though, Blue. Try walking down the street with a sheathed Bowie knife sometime...the cops will stop you and you will be charged. The knife will be confiscated. You also cannot own a switchblade legally.

Keeping a baseball bat (or the fat end of a cue stick) under your car seat can also lead to charges.

Bats and most knives have purposes other than killing things though. Guns do not. Your straw-man argument falls apart again.

I reiterate my question about the Pacific NW.

Bats, knives, pool cues, etc. do not have to be registered, either, to refute your argument. Knives can be hidden, handguns can be hidden. As you state, bats under a seat are hidden, handguns are hidden. Whether or not bats and knives have other uses, they can still kill, and have. So they are killing weapons when used a certain way. Ergo, they should be registered, according to the same arguments of the gun registry supporters.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Reiterate all you want, Blue. I could care less. The reality that the US has a higher per capita rate of gun violence than any other deveoped country. They also have the laxest gun controls and the worst social programs. Think there might be a connection there?

Your other argument is silly. Guns are made to kill. Handguns are made to kill people. That is their purpose. Everything you listed has a legitimate purpose other than inflicting death.

 

[stratochief]

So let me get this right Rev the NDP would keep the registry :? Keep throwing good money down an ever deepening whole :x

I didn't know the NDP supported the registry. The Western NDP provincial parties and northern territories NDP parties don't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I didn't know the NDP supported the registry. The Western NDP provincial parties and northern territories NDP parties don't.

You didn't know because the party is split on it. If you look at the post after the one you quoted from, you'll find I already said that though. You'll also find that I said I didn't speak for the NDP.

 

[mrmom2]

Is there anybody on the board that does Rev? I ask you because you are very knowledgable about their policys :wink:

 

[MMMike]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must

Reiterate all you want, Blue. I could care less. The reality that the US has a higher per capita rate of gun violence than any other deveoped country. They also have the laxest gun controls and the worst social programs. Think there might be a connection there?

Your other argument is silly. Guns are made to kill. Handguns are made to kill people. That is their purpose. Everything you listed has a legitimate purpose other than inflicting death.

A statistical link between one thing and another does not imply causation. You know that. I guess gun control legislation is the only thing different about the U.S. than Canada? How about this.... most of the U.S. is hotter than Canada, AND they have higher per capita rate of gun violence. Think there might be a connection THERE?

The FACT is, despite your wishful thinking, there is not one shred of proof that the gun registry has saved even one life. How many lives would have been saved if the $2 billion was spent on cancer research instead? Why do you let ideology trump reality?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Imagine the lives saved if the $2 billion was put towards foreign aid.

Nice try MMMikey, but the US has a higher gun crime rate than every other developed nation, no matter what the climate. The correlation between more regulation leading to lower gun crime is pretty clear.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: The Gun Registry Must

Opps...forgot to add...The FACT is that you guys are spinning harder than Willie Mosconi in a trick shot competition.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: The Gun Registry Must

Imagine the lives saved if the $2 billion was put towards foreign aid.

Nice try MMMikey, but the US has a higher gun crime rate than every other developed nation, no matter what the climate. The correlation between more regulation leading to lower gun crime is pretty clear.

Better yet, how many lives could have been saved if that $2billion had been spent on over 27,000 police officers? How many other crimes could have been solved, and how many more investigations may have been undertaken which would have discovered illegal guns before they were used? It is patently obvious that only criminals have a lot of guns, and they are using them, another gang related gun incidente in Calgary on the weekend. And guess what? They do not register their guns, so someone, please, tell me exactly how this idiotic gun registry is going to take the guns out of the hands of the criminals? No, wait, don't bother, because the answer is simple. IT WON'T.

Welcome back MMike.