The Gathering and the Judgment will be in the space

[eanassir]

Gathering of what? All the souls from grave that are already supposed to be in heaven?

Not all souls will go to heaven immediately following death; only the souls of prophets, saints, righteous men who are upright on the devotion to God alone, and who work good work, and who are pious fearing God and who avoid wronging people; and the martyrs --> such men will go to Heaven or Paradise of Abode immediately following their death.

While people who mix good with evil work and are believers in God as One --> such will be punished mildly in the world of souls, then will also go to Paradise of Abode.

But disbelievrs, atheists, idolaters, associaters that associate others with God, in addition to their wronging people --> such cannot go to Heaven and will remain on Earth until it will break up.

The "gathering-togethere"
Such gathering of all people will take place in the space following the tearing up of the Earth on Doomsday.
Such "gathering-together" will be for Judgment of believers, whereas disbelivers, atheists, idolaters and associaters will have no judgment (other than detainment and rebuke questions) then will go to Hell without judgment.

In a following reply I - by the will of God - shall give the sequence of events of Doomsday.

 

[Cliffy]

So, what is you purpose for posting here other than to tell us all we are going to hell?

You are such a joyous fellow, eanassir. You make me want to stand up and dance.

 

[AnnaG]

Not all souls will go to heaven immediately following death; only the souls of prophets, saints, righteous men who are upright on the devotion to God alone, and who work good work, and who are pious fearing God and who avoid wronging people; and the martyrs --> such men will go to Heaven or Paradise of Abode immediately following their death.

While people who mix good with evil work and are believers in God as One --> such will be punished mildly in the world of souls, then will also go to Paradise of Abode.

But disbelievrs, atheists, idolaters, associaters that associate others with God, in addition to their wronging people --> such cannot go to Heaven and will remain on Earth until it will break up.

Well let me see, according to the latest estimate, Earth should be fine until the sun manages to boil off all the water about a half billion years from now.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Specials | Washington 2000 | Date set for desert Earth

We have a while yet to find a new spot before Earth is inhabitable.

 

[eanassir]

So, what is you purpose for posting here other than to tell us all we are going to hell?

All people will go towards Hell​

All people will go to Hell (or Saqar which is a great sun: following the breaking up of the present Sun), ​

but God will send some of His angels to pick the believers and take them away from Hell, and lead them to Paradise.​

"The sun has a gravitation that will attract souls to it on Doomsday, and none can escape it save that whom God wants to save; when He will send to him some of the angels to get him out of Hell, and guide him to Paradise.​

Evil souls will have their torment around that sun, i.e. in its gaseous layers and its heat, hot air and smoke.​

Therefore, Hell [or the sun whose name is Saqar] has a gravitation that attracts the souls to it, so that some of them will remain inside it suffering because of his deeds, whereas some of them will get out of it afterwards.​

· God - be exalted - said in the Quran 19: 71-72
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وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا. ثُمَّ نُنَجِّي الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظَّالِمِينَ فِيهَاجِثِيًّا

The explanation:
( There isn't anyone of you but will go towards it; that is an inevitable ordinance of your Lord.​

Then We shall save those who warded off [God's disobedience], and shall leave the wrong-doers crowding therein.)​

Therefore, (There isn't anyone of you but will go towards it) means: None of you but will go to Hell; because it will pull them, all, to itself by gravitation, then God will send His angels to pick the believers away from it, and leave the disbelievers in it.​

· Moreover, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 3: 185​

كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَآئِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ وَإِنَّمَا تُوَفَّوْنَ أُجُورَكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَمَن زُحْزِحَ عَنِ النَّارِ وَأُدْخِلَ الْجَنَّةَ فَقَدْ فَازَ وَما الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا إِلاَّ مَتَاعُ الْغُرُورِ​

The explanation:
(Every soul shall suffer [the feeling and pain] of death; and you shall only be paid your full recompense on the Judgment Day. ​

Then whosoever will forcibly be removed away from the Fire and admitted into Paradise will have indeed won; ​

and, surely, the life of this World is but a temporary deceptive enjoyment.)​

The interpretation:
>> (Then whosoever will forcibly be removed away from the Fire and admitted into Paradise, will have indeed won) is an indication that: ​

people, as a whole, will enter into Hell, then the pious will be removed from it and admitted into Paradise; ​

whereas as regards disbelievers, they will not be removed from it, but will remain suffering inside Hell."​

 

[eanassir]

Sequence of events of Doomsday​

The events of Doomsday will come in sequence one after another; and these are from the start to the last:​

1- Portents of Doomsday: The earth will slow down gradually, and many portents will appear one after another:
the elongation of the day and night until the day and night will equal each about 3 months of our months.
Then the moon will be fixed as full moon, and will not return to be a crescent once again, then the moon will split into two halves,
then comets will fall on the cold regions in large number,
then meteorites and moon will be drawn by the gravity of the sun and will be swallowed by the sun.
When one of these portents: namely the fixation of the moon, occurs then the repentance of disbelievers will not be accepted.​

2- The Last Day:the earth will gradually slow down until it will stop its spinning, and will circle around the sun with one side only facing the sun: this side will have a perpetual day, and the other side will not face the sun and this side will have a perpetual night. ​

The circumstances will be very hard and difficult
→ souls of believers will ascend to heaven together with angels;
→ souls of disbelievers together with devils will remain on earth, and will hide in graves, pits, fissures and subterranean caverns. ​

3- Events of Doomsday like falling of comets in large number, the turbidity of the atmosphere converting into smoke, all of that will be followed by the earthquake of Doomsday.​

4- The earthquake of Doomsday will be followed by tearing up of the earth.​

God -be exalted - said in the Quran 79: 6-7

يَوْمَ تَرْجُفُ الرَّاجِفَةُ .تَتْبَعُهَا الرَّادِفَةُ​

The explanation:
(On the day when the earthquake occurs.

Which the following [calamity: the tearing-up of the earth] shall succeed.)

It means: The second calamity will follow and come after it, which is the breaking up of the Earth. The first is the Earthquake, and the second is its breaking up and dispersion of its parts into the space.

5- The breaking up of the earth: into many pieces that will scatter in the space.​

6- Souls of disbelievers scatter in the space like the locust swarms.​

7- The caller or crier: the angel Israfel will call people: "Servants of God, come to the Judgment and requital."​

8- The gathering-together of all people towards the crier or caller the angel Israfel. ​

9- Judgment: Angels come in raws under the leadership of Gabriel; each prophet will be the judge of his people according to their alterations and deviation from their heavenly book, the angels give testimony, and the judgment will only be for monotheist who devoted themselves to God alone; the idolater and associater will not have any judgment.​

10- All people go to Hell, then God sends the angels to pick the believers from the influence of the gravity of the sun, and lead them to Paradise. ​

11- Admission to Paradise: whose site is unknown to people, and will be guided by angels to where Paradise is.​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well now...

I've been told at various times that I know a lot, but to me that's like telling a guy with a bit of mud on his boots that he sure has a lot of land. We are all vastly ignorant; there are landscapes of knowledge whose existence we haven't even guessed at.

It's the people who think they know what there is to be known that we have to watch out for. "Everything is explained in this text here," they tell us, "there's nothing else you need to know." Then along comes somebody who says, "Wait a minute, maybe we're a little ignorant here, maybe that's not so..." and he gets drawn and quartered, or blinded, or disemboweled, or burned, or something equally horrible, just for raising the issue. We've put up with crap like that for thousands of years, and people who'd continue to do it if they had the power are still with us. I think there are at least three of them posting on these boards.

 

[eanassir]

Well now...

I've been told at various times that I know a lot, but to me that's like telling a guy with a bit of mud on his boots that he sure has a lot of land. We are all vastly ignorant; there are landscapes of knowledge whose existence we haven't even guessed at.

It's the people who think they know what there is to be known that we have to watch out for. "Everything is explained in this text here," they tell us, "there's nothing else you need to know." Then along comes somebody who says, "Wait a minute, maybe we're a little ignorant here, maybe that's not so..." and he gets drawn and quartered, or blinded, or disemboweled, or burned, or something equally horrible, just for raising the issue. We've put up with crap like that for thousands of years, and people who'd continue to do it if they had the power are still with us. I think there are at least three of them posting on these boards.

In summary, you will not agree about anything we tell you. And will keep up in like manner until you face the real truth, when time will have passed, and no way to return to modify the previous ideas.

As in the Quran 22: 55​

وَلَا يَزَالُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِّنْهُ حَتَّى تَأْتِيَهُمُ السَّاعَةُ بَغْتَةً أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمْ عَذَابُ يَوْمٍ عَقِيمٍ​

The explanation:
(And those who disbelieve will not cease to dispute about [the Quran] :

>> until the Hour [of death] will come on them suddenly,

>> or there will come on them the torment of a terminal day.)
​

 

[Cliffy]

Yee Haw! We're all gonna fry!

 

[YukonJack]

The Gathering and the Judgment will be in the space


And spaced out individuals are already there!

 

[Cliffy]

I was thinking that if it is in space, then it will happen after we develop the technology to go off planet and colonize other planets. It won't happen in our lifetime, so "What Me Worry?"

 

[Dexter Sinister]

In summary, you will not agree about anything we tell you.

That's not a summary, it's a conclusion, but you're right, I will not agree with anything you tell me about this. The other two wouldn't either, really, they use a different text, and don't even agree with each other, despite all three of you claiming to have a lock on the truth.

 

[YukonJack]

"In summary, you will not agree about anything we tell you."

I will not agree with anything contained in a book dictated by an illiterate, pedophile, bigamist terrorist.

 

[eanassir]

"In summary, you will not agree about anything we tell you."

I will not agree with anything contained in a book dictated by an illiterate, pedophile, bigamist terrorist.

This reply is not scientific in any way.

Yes, he was illiterate; then how could he dictate such a miraculous book, from style and scientific and foretelling about the future, in addition to confirming the past heavenly books, and giving the law and religious rites?

Pedophile : not correct. It is only some narrations that almost not correct. At least the woman should be sexually mature which is earlier than the age of 18 years, specially for the female. But never being a child.

bigamist: is only rejected by your community, to which you (and we now) submit, and it is only to please your mate; you are free to choose the single woman, but man can take more than one wife. The law and the social and economic circumstances prevent you (and me) from such thing.

I tell you some points which you know, but are silent about: if man marries a woman about his age or only one or two years younger than him, which is the common situation now.

So here, the woman will be in her menopause at the age of about 45 years, while the man is strong sexually at this age and more than this age: then what will he do? he will resort to adultery or fornication or masturbation or will he neglect his sexual demand? Here I don't want to stir the lust of others or justify any unlawful sexual behavior, but only to expose the single wife defect, to which you and I submit. So do not object to such a thing, which your community has rejected, while many people resort to adultery.

Moreover, if the women are much more than the men; it means that many women will be without husbands and without marriage. So what is the solution in your opinion? I tell you this, and you have to know that our communities now refuse such bigamy: while this bigamy should be lawful, but not obligatory.

While at some other situations this "bigamy" is a sloution to the number of women more than the number of men, specially following some devastating wars.

Moreover, such "bigamy" was familiar before, and many prophets before Mohammed also married more than one woman.

terrorist: to his enemy who expelled him from his hometown, and started the offense agaisnt him and his comrades: by torturing and killing and making wars against him.

Moreover, he did not do anything other than justified defense and attacking the idolaters who transgressed on him and prevented him from praying exclusively to his Lord alone.

In addition, the terror was only by God: inserting such terror in their hearts.

Our links now are not working properly; however, in the book: The conflict between the Torah and the Quran, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan, there is the explanation of why Prophet Mohammed used the fighting and war.

Note: such "terror" is cast by God and inserted in the hearts of associaters, without any apparent reason: so they will be terrified even from the faint movement of a tree leave.

Prophet Mohammed, like other prophets who had fought the idolaters before, all these prophets (and even monotheists and believers themselves with no prophet among them) were helped by the terror: their enemies were terrified and flee before them.

 

[eanassir]

The Gathering and the Judgment will be in the space


And spaced out individuals are already there!

What do you mean by this? Explain clearly.

 

[eanassir]

That's not a summary, it's a conclusion, but you're right, I will not agree with anything you tell me about this. The other two wouldn't either, really, they use a different text, and don't even agree with each other, despite all three of you claiming to have a lock on the truth.

This will expose your non-scientific attitude, because you have already refused anything I tell you whatever it be, so how will you consent to any true idea?

Moreover, I display your design by saying: it is you: all three of you disagree with each other, but agree on one thing: antagonizing the Quran and the submission to God alone.

 

[eanassir]

That's not a summary, it's a conclusion, but you're right, I will not agree with anything you tell me about this. The other two wouldn't either, really, they use a different text, and don't even agree with each other, despite all three of you claiming to have a lock on the truth.

This proves that you have taken an attitude of refusing any idea beforehand.

Moreover, all three of you do not agree about each other, but only agree about one common thing: to antagonize the submission to God alone and to contradict the Quran and Mohammed.

 

[eanassir]

I was thinking that if it is in space, then it will happen after we develop the technology to go off planet and colonize other planets. It won't happen in our lifetime, so "What Me Worry?"

Doomsday will involve the solar system as a whole: the sun, the planets, and moons.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This will expose your non-scientific attitude, because you have already refused anything I tell you whatever it be, so how will you consent to any true idea?

You have to provide good evidence that the idea is true. Citing the Quran in support of itself doesn't do it. The Quran is just one of many supposedly sacred texts that certain groups of people simply assume to be true and argue on that basis, which is not a logically valid way to proceed. I've read several such texts, including the Quran (long before I encountered you) and the Bible, and found them to be so at variance with other things I know to be true beyond any reasonable doubt in the scientific sense that I reject those texts for most purposes. I'd rejected your ideas, after careful consideration, long before you showed up here to preach them.

 

[MHz]

I've read several such texts, including the Quran (long before I encountered you) and the Bible,

Perhaps it is in line with it not being with an open mind that has left you spiritually void (nothing was taken from you so don't blame God). Your condemnation of the Holy Bible knows no bounds, from Ge:1 to Re:22 it is complete.

 

[MHz]

I was thinking that if it is in space, then it will happen after we develop the technology to go off planet and colonize other planets. It won't happen in our lifetime, so "What Me Worry?"

Our lifetime??? If worked on full time til our sun is due to toast us we couldn't make it off world, yes that is billions of years. You must be forgetting about the near extinction type of events that will happen during that same time.
LOL In our lifetime we will probable see a decline in real-world advances. For everybody not just the elite.