The full text of AhmadiNejad's letter to Bush

[jimmoyer]

I dunno Moghrabi...

I sincerely believe no nation will give up its weapon
know-how once it has gained it.

So it seems fruitless to go after something so
unattainable.

But I think it is far more attainable and practical
to stop the spread of nuclear weapon capability.

And if we can prevent more countries from having it
we might lessen the odds of individuals getting it.

It is far more frightening in the hands of individuals
not associated with a government of any stripe.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: The full text of Ahmadinejad letter to Bush

I totally agree with you Jim. But it is a futile concept to think that once a nation got the know-how it will give it up. Also, as long as other nations enjoy and expand their nuclear arsenal (India, Pakistan, Israel.....), we can't expect others to halt their ambitions to build the weapon.

Also countries who have it can sell it to individuals in the black market. An example would be India, Pakistan, and the eastern block countries. They need the money, they will sell it to anyone willing to pay for it.

 

[moghrabi]

Israel and U.S. at odds over nuclear treaty proposal

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/717636.html

This is one of the problems. Israel is already worried.

 

[unclepercy]

Quote: [19,36] "And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serves Him; this is the right path, Marium."


This is where I quit reading. Who's is this Marium? And why is Allah my Lord? Plus the implication that my Lord serves Allah.
Frank, as Bill Maher calls you, you needed more coaching in the preparation of this letter.

Uncle

 

[Just the Facts]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the simple fact that the letter was a call to Islam. As I understand it, Islamic tradition, if not the Koran itself, demands that Jihadi armies first give a victim the opportunity to embrace Islam. If they refuse, then the Jihadis have the moral go ahead to attack.

Unless America embraces Isalm, Ahmed-in-jihad has paved the way for war.

 

[Naci_Sey]

Here's the link to the web version of the full article, courtesy of commondreams.org.

My take on that letter is that it allows us a glimpse on his sincere beliefs, whether we agree or not.

Agreed. What he sincerely believes is valuable to know. I hope the letter's public brush-off by Bush & Co. doesn't indicate their treatment of it behind-the-scenes. Alas, I'm not confident they didn't just enter it into File 13 (the trash bin).

I can summarize it in one sentence: It is written by a nutcase in Tehran to a nutcase in Washington.

:lol:

 

[Naci_Sey]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the simple fact that the letter was a call to Islam. As I understand it, Islamic tradition, if not the Koran itself, demands that Jihadi armies first give a victim the opportunity to embrace Islam. If they refuse, then the Jihadis have the moral go ahead to attack.

Unless America embraces Isalm, Ahmed-in-jihad has paved the way for war.

I've read the full text several times - 8O - and don't get the same interpretation as you. Ahmadinejad is calling for members of monotheistic religions to join together in peace. There's nothing there about conversion to Islam.

 

[unclepercy]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the simple fact that the letter was a call to Islam. As I understand it, Islamic tradition, if not the Koran itself, demands that Jihadi armies first give a victim the opportunity to embrace Islam. If they refuse, then the Jihadis have the moral go ahead to attack.

Unless America embraces Isalm, Ahmed-in-jihad has paved the way for war.

Good point. What other religion says, "Join us or die?" That's not a religion. That's a cult. A sick, crazed cult.

Uncle

 

[Just the Facts]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the simple fact that the letter was a call to Islam. As I understand it, Islamic tradition, if not the Koran itself, demands that Jihadi armies first give a victim the opportunity to embrace Islam. If they refuse, then the Jihadis have the moral go ahead to attack.

Unless America embraces Isalm, Ahmed-in-jihad has paved the way for war.

I've read the full text several times - 8O - and don't get the same interpretation as you. Ahmadinejad is calling for members of monotheistic religions to join together in peace. There's nothing there about conversion to Islam.

Hmm, well let's ask Ahmad-in-jihad himself how he interprets his own words:

President says his letter to President Bush was invitation to Islam

Not much room for interpretation there.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Thursday that his letter to President George W. Bush did not concern the nuclear dossier, but rather was an invitation to Islam and the prophets culture.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0605110155191821.htm

 

[Naci_Sey]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the simple fact that the letter was a call to Islam. As I understand it, Islamic tradition, if not the Koran itself, demands that Jihadi armies first give a victim the opportunity to embrace Islam. If they refuse, then the Jihadis have the moral go ahead to attack.

Unless America embraces Isalm, Ahmed-in-jihad has paved the way for war.

I've read the full text several times - 8O - and don't get the same interpretation as you. Ahmadinejad is calling for members of monotheistic religions to join together in peace. There's nothing there about conversion to Islam.

Hmm, well let's ask Ahmad-in-jihad himself how he interprets his own words:

President says his letter to President Bush was invitation to Islam. Not much room for interpretation there.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Thursday that his letter to President George W. Bush did not concern the nuclear dossier, but rather was an invitation to Islam and the prophets culture.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0605110155191821.htm

I checked the source you reference. In both cases, those are not Ahmadinejad's own words, but the spin given by the reporter or editor.

Fortunately, the article includes the statement from Ahmadinejad: "The letter was an invitation to monotheism and justice, which are common to all divine prophets. If the call is responded positively, there will be no more problems to be solved," added the president.

My sense is that he's being deliberately careful in his language exactly for the reasons you described (good call!)

What I find interesting is that Ahmadinejad always leaves out any reference to non-believers, aka 'infidels'. He treats them as though they don't exist; presumably, they are the ones he'd like to see exterminated. But maybe not.

 

[Just the Facts]

I checked the source you reference. In both cases, those are not Ahmadinejad's own words, but the spin given by the reporter or editor.

Yes you're right, I did notice that. It's a bit unclear as to whether the title was based on what you quote, or wether he said that in addition to the title. Either way, call me a skeptic if you will, but I don't believe the Islamic Republic News Agency has a lot of leeway for spinning.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: The full text of Ahmadinejad letter to Bush

I wonder why 1.5 Billion people would follow a cult. Leave your hatred to Islam behind you and think critically. The president of Iran is not calling anyone to join Islam. He is calling for the following of the prophets paths (Moses, Jesus, Mohammad).

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahmadinejad letter to Bush

He is calling for the following of the prophets paths (Moses, Jesus, Mohammad).

And how, pray tell, is calling someone to follow Mohammad (regardless of what other prophets are mentioned in the mix) different from calling someone to Islam? It's one and the same.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: The full text of Ahm

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: The full text of Ahm

The cult we should be worrying about in our western world is the godwhacked jesus freaks. The rest do not have aircraft carriers nor do they have a military big enough for seven or eight planets. The trouble in our world is not about terrorists but about resources and superfat capitalism. Arguing about the phoney reasons for modern warfare obscures the real reasons for conflict and the real criminals.Forget god start looking at the CEOs.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahm

The cult we should be worrying about in our western world is the godwhacker Jesus freaks. The rest do not have aircraft carriers nor do they have a military big enough for seven or eight planets. The trouble in our world is not about terrorists but about resources and superfat capitalism. Arguing about the phoney reasons for modern warfare obscures the real reasons for conflict and the real criminals.Forget god start looking at the CEOs.

Well said darkbeaver. However I want to ask Just the Facts to answer my question. Where did the president of Iran ask the west to convert to Islam? Provide a sentence, a paragraph or any proof from his letter if you don't mind.

When you read a letter, an article, a book, you have to leave your bias behind and carefully analyze what the other is saying without any presumptions. However, most people have a predetermined idea about how they are going to see things about others.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahmadinejad letter to Bush

I wonder why 1.5 Billion people would follow a cult. Leave your hatred to Islam behind you and think critically. The president of Iran is not calling anyone to join Islam. He is calling for the following of the prophets paths (Moses, Jesus, Mohammad).

I refuse to get into this with you again, Moggie. I am a Christian, and do not consider Jesus to be a prophet of Mohammed. Period.

Uncle

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahmadinejad letter to Bush

I wonder why 1.5 Billion people would follow a cult. Leave your hatred to Islam behind you and think critically. The president of Iran is not calling anyone to join Islam. He is calling for the following of the prophets paths (Moses, Jesus, Mohammad).

I refuse to get into this with you again, Moggie. I am a Christian, and do not consider Jesus to be a prophet of Mohammed. Period.

Uncle

You do not consider Jesus to be a prophet of Mohammad. But Jesus was a prophet for all mankind. Contradiction there? You consider Jesus as God while I consider him as a prophet. Mohammad is Islam's prophet. You do not have to accept him but I do accept Jesus as a prophet.

Does your reply imply that Islam is a cult? If so, then Catholicism and Christianity as a whole is considered a cult. You have to look at the definition of cult carefully before making these assumptions.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahm

However I want to ask Just the Facts to answer my question. Where did the president of Iran ask the west to convert to Islam? Provide a sentence, a paragraph or any proof from his letter if you don't mind.

Ummm...it's all right there, just go back a few posts. I'm just parroting what the Islamic Republic News Agency printed. Are you telling me that the Islamic Republic News Agency is biased against the president of Iran?

When you read a letter, an article, a book, you have to leave your bias behind and carefully analyze what the other is saying without any presumptions. However, most people have a predetermined idea about how they are going to see things about others.

How is saying that the President of Iran's letter to Bush was a call to Islam based on an article published by the official news agency of an Islamic dictatorship entitled "President says his letter to President Bush was invitation to Islam" attributing a predetermined idea about how they are going to see things about others.

It's black and white dude. If you don't think that's what it means, take it up with the Islamic Republic News Agency.

Edited for grammar.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: The full text of Ahm

However I want to ask Just the Facts to answer my question. Where did the president of Iran ask the west to convert to Islam? Provide a sentence, a paragraph or any proof from his letter if you don't mind.

Ummm...it's all right there, just go back a few posts. I'm just parroting what the Islamic Republic News Agency printed. Are you telling me that the Islamic Republic News Agency is biased against the president of Iran?

When you read a letter, an article, a book, you have to leave your bias behind and carefully analyze what the other is saying without any presumptions. However, most people have a predetermined idea about how they are going to see things about others.

How is saying that the President of Iran's letter to Bush was a call to Islam based on an article published by the official news agency of an Islamic dictatorship entitled "President says his letter to President Bush was invitation to Islam" attributing a predetermined idea about how they are going to see things about others.

It's black and white dude. If you don't think that's what it means, take it up with the Islamic Republic News Agency.

Edited for grammar.

You should read the letter and see for yourself if he is calling anyone to join Islam. I read it many times and not even one sentence. I do not give a F**k about the official news agency. It is what I read and what I understand not what I am told.

Do not forget that Iran has a crazy one just like the US has one maybe a bit smarter. They are not happy with his rhetoric. But I still do not see his letter as a call for Islam.