Muslims fundamentalists are never the victims but the Muslim people are. Jews as people have nothing to do with the problem but the Zionists do. Same thing but we tend to brush Muslims as the terrorists and forget that there are people that are much more dangerous. Read about the Zionists and their plans. But do not confuse the Jewish people with their ideological (fundamentalist) group.
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11
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peapod said:
I'm not painting anyone anything. As for Gogotheb, I think his views are more insightful since he living within the conflict everyday. My other point was that outsiders lack the true facts of the Middle East. All our information is second hand, whereas his is first hand.
As for chasing someone, hey I'm a scientist. I took a collection of data (Moghrabi's posts) and made a conclusions based on the trend of that data. I don't think my analysis was incorrect, if you look at the threads and posts you cannot deny my claim.
I never told someone they couldn't post something, I just made a comment as to the general trend of a collection of comments? Is this not allowed? Am I not allowed to analyze what people say and make a comment about people leaning in one direction?
If people can really post what they want, then I think you should leave me alone. I'm not here to make things up, and simply spew out the first thing the comes into my head. I base my thoughts on fact and logic, if that is a problem, please let me know.
It is interesting that you told me to "Chase somebody else on this board" rather than telling me not to chase anyone at all. Why is that? Is Moghrabi's somehow special?
Is Moghrabi's somehow special?
and you reached that conclusion by scienctific method I assume. This is a touchy subject, and you are in no position to say what morghabi saw or didn't see when he lived in his country. I am not picking any side, but saying to you that both have the right to post there presceptives in this thread. Both are bias to their own beliefs. We all know here how morghabi feels, he has been coming to this board alot longer than you have. He is not insulting anyone, but simply stating his facts as he sees them. Gogotheb can do the same. Interesting that you don't have a problem with what he writes, but you do with morghabi. I am done with this thread. I am only here to see that it stays civil.
and you reached that conclusion by scienctific method I assume. This is a touchy subject, and you are in no position to say what morghabi saw or didn't see when he lived in his country. I am not picking any side, but saying to you that both have the right to post there presceptives in this thread. Both are bias to their own beliefs. We all know here how morghabi feels, he has been coming to this board alot longer than you have. He is not insulting anyone, but simply stating his facts as he sees them. Gogotheb can do the same. Interesting that you don't have a problem with what he writes, but you do with morghabi. I am done with this thread. I am only here to see that it stays civil.
What kind of scientific research are you doing. Going through my posts does not lead you to any conclusion about my feelings. You mention that I lean one way but you failed to observe that I distinguish Jews from Zionists, Muslims from Fundamentalists and Evangelist from Christians.
If you are doing this scientific research, can you tell me how I felt when the Zionists went through Beirut and slaughtered thousands of people. Last year in Jenin, there was a massacre. I have people (friends) there that tell me exactly what is happening. Read Human Rights latest report and you will discover more than what my posts would tell you.
As for me and Peapod, I think it is very inappropriate for you to even suggest what you suggested. I have known Peapod on this board for a long time and sometimes we agree and other time we disagree. But I always value her input and ideas. She tells it as is without doing a scientific research.
If you care to show your qualifications on this board then you are a scientist. If not, you are another blow Joe to me.
If you are doing this scientific research, can you tell me how I felt when the Zionists went through Beirut and slaughtered thousands of people. Last year in Jenin, there was a massacre. I have people (friends) there that tell me exactly what is happening. Read Human Rights latest report and you will discover more than what my posts would tell you.
As for me and Peapod, I think it is very inappropriate for you to even suggest what you suggested. I have known Peapod on this board for a long time and sometimes we agree and other time we disagree. But I always value her input and ideas. She tells it as is without doing a scientific research.
If you care to show your qualifications on this board then you are a scientist. If not, you are another blow Joe to me.
Re: RE: The Five Dancing Isra
Actually, my parents left cause they found India too hot, in that the heat gave my dad terrible headaches and what not.
They didn't escape any man made terror, only the terror of the sun.
You must be Caucasian, I love the comment "My daughters friends are also here from India". What does that mean, it adds nothing to the argument. A lot of Caucasians say this kind of statement to make them seem worldly and non racist by showing they have ethnic acquaintances and are open minded.
Look I'm not picking on you, just telling you how a lot of ethnic or minorities perceive that kind of statement. It makes me laugh.
I think this was pointed out already by someone else on this board when someone described how they "even had native children at their child's birthday party".
Twila said:
Actually, my parents left cause they found India too hot, in that the heat gave my dad terrible headaches and what not.
They didn't escape any man made terror, only the terror of the sun.
You must be Caucasian, I love the comment "My daughters friends are also here from India". What does that mean, it adds nothing to the argument. A lot of Caucasians say this kind of statement to make them seem worldly and non racist by showing they have ethnic acquaintances and are open minded.
Look I'm not picking on you, just telling you how a lot of ethnic or minorities perceive that kind of statement. It makes me laugh.
I think this was pointed out already by someone else on this board when someone described how they "even had native children at their child's birthday party".
Re: RE: The Five Dancing Isra
Actually, my parents left cause they found India too hot, in that the heat gave my dad terrible headaches and what not.
They didn't escape any man made terror, only the terror of the sun.
You must be Caucasian, I love the comment "My daughters friends are also here from India". What does that mean, it adds nothing to the argument. A lot of Caucasians say this kind of statement to make them seem worldly and non racist by showing they have ethnic acquaintances and are open minded.
Look I'm not picking on you, just telling you how a lot of ethnic or minorities perceive that kind of statement. It makes me laugh.
I think this was pointed out already by someone else on this board when someone described how they "even had native children at their child's birthday party".
Finally, being in Canada does shelter one from a lot of the world's happenings. We in North America (and other westernized countries) have no idea what happens in the hot spots of the world.
Twila said:
Actually, my parents left cause they found India too hot, in that the heat gave my dad terrible headaches and what not.
They didn't escape any man made terror, only the terror of the sun.
You must be Caucasian, I love the comment "My daughters friends are also here from India". What does that mean, it adds nothing to the argument. A lot of Caucasians say this kind of statement to make them seem worldly and non racist by showing they have ethnic acquaintances and are open minded.
Look I'm not picking on you, just telling you how a lot of ethnic or minorities perceive that kind of statement. It makes me laugh.
I think this was pointed out already by someone else on this board when someone described how they "even had native children at their child's birthday party".
Finally, being in Canada does shelter one from a lot of the world's happenings. We in North America (and other westernized countries) have no idea what happens in the hot spots of the world.
This statement...who said it???
"even had native children at their child's birthday party
When was archie bunker at this board 8O
"even had native children at their child's birthday party
When was archie bunker at this board 8O
peapod said:
I thought you were done with this thread. I do not recall who said, I'm trying to find it, but as I've said before, I just don't make stuff up.
You sound like a scientist-to-be-if-I-can. You are very biased and you contradicted your own words by saying that you like to hear both sides before making a judgment. Well, you made a judgment on me before the man from Israel came along (I forgot his name).
Also, it is a funny thing that your parents are not from here and you live in Canada along with them and yet saying that white people are racists because of the way they word things. Are you suggesting that the white man was racist about your Indian roots?
You are starting to make me a bit hesitant to reply to you since you are attacking every person on this board.
Let me tell you a secret. Your problem with me is not based on Israeli-Muslim relations but rather on Indo-Muslim relations. You are trying to connect the hate between the two people (Indians and Muslims) to other worldly problem. I urge to stay on the ground and not fly-off with weird and twisted ideas.
Also, it is a funny thing that your parents are not from here and you live in Canada along with them and yet saying that white people are racists because of the way they word things. Are you suggesting that the white man was racist about your Indian roots?
You are starting to make me a bit hesitant to reply to you since you are attacking every person on this board.
Let me tell you a secret. Your problem with me is not based on Israeli-Muslim relations but rather on Indo-Muslim relations. You are trying to connect the hate between the two people (Indians and Muslims) to other worldly problem. I urge to stay on the ground and not fly-off with weird and twisted ideas.
RE: The Five Dancing Isra
Now if you add the "i'd say that even though they are in Canada and not in India they may know something of terror... and fear. " and you get the POINT of what I was saying. Which since you missed it was that just because you live in Canada does not mean you don't understand living in fear. Just because you live in Canada does not mean you haven't lived in a country where you were targeted.
And by the way being caucasian does not exempt you from living or being from a country that has terrorists or death squads.
It sure doesn't when you only quote part of the statement. Although it adds more then the "you must be caucasian".
Now if you add the "i'd say that even though they are in Canada and not in India they may know something of terror... and fear. " and you get the POINT of what I was saying. Which since you missed it was that just because you live in Canada does not mean you don't understand living in fear. Just because you live in Canada does not mean you haven't lived in a country where you were targeted.
And by the way being caucasian does not exempt you from living or being from a country that has terrorists or death squads.
Re: RE: The Five Dancing Isra
Which since you missed it was that just because you live in Canada does not mean you don't understand living in fear. Just because you live in Canada does not mean you haven't lived in a country where you were targeted.
---When did I say otherwise? Even if you live here all your life, you can still know terror and fear.
And by the way being caucasian does not exempt you from living or being from a country that has terrorists or death squads.
---Again, when did I say otherwise? My comment is about you being Caucasian had nothing to do with terror or anything else, I was refering to the "My daughter's friend's parents are from India"
Which since you missed it was that just because you live in Canada does not mean you don't understand living in fear. Just because you live in Canada does not mean you haven't lived in a country where you were targeted.
---When did I say otherwise? Even if you live here all your life, you can still know terror and fear.
And by the way being caucasian does not exempt you from living or being from a country that has terrorists or death squads.
---Again, when did I say otherwise? My comment is about you being Caucasian had nothing to do with terror or anything else, I was refering to the "My daughter's friend's parents are from India"
Well I am done with this thread, but you posted something off topic that caught my eye which was:
even had native children at their child's birthday party
I am not calling you a liar at all, I would just like to know who would make such a ignorant statement...
even had native children at their child's birthday party
I am not calling you a liar at all, I would just like to know who would make such a ignorant statement...
Re: RE: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11
Das, there is a myriad of sources of information regarding the Arab-Israeli Conflict, many of which I - and a lot of other people - consider to be perfectly reliable sources of information. There will always be bias in the reporting of any event, but I believe there are many organisations and individuals, humanitarian and aid agencies, media, and even (shock, horror) some politicians who report on these issues with a great deal of integrity. The views expressed by Gogotheb are clearly one-sided. They were sweeping generalisations, tantamount to painting all Palestinians as fanatics and would-be suicide bombers, without offering anything in the way of analysis or solutions. If you chose to assume his posts offer a clearer picture of the situation in the occupied territories than these other sources, that's your prerogative.
How about an attempt on your part to actually engage with the topic of the thread, rather than merely denying other people the right to an opinion. In my post I merely cited the widely held view that, although movement is required on all sides, it is the Israelis - as the overwhelming power in this conflict - who hold the key to it's resolution. (This was borne out for me during our own recent experiences of terrorism over Northern Ireland. Not an entirely analogous situation, granted, but enough to lead me to believe that only a political solution, rather than a military one, will finally resolve such conflicts). I'd be interested to know what it was about this statement you found so disagreeable, that you felt the need to question my understanding of the issues involved. Fire away.
DasFX said:
Das, there is a myriad of sources of information regarding the Arab-Israeli Conflict, many of which I - and a lot of other people - consider to be perfectly reliable sources of information. There will always be bias in the reporting of any event, but I believe there are many organisations and individuals, humanitarian and aid agencies, media, and even (shock, horror) some politicians who report on these issues with a great deal of integrity. The views expressed by Gogotheb are clearly one-sided. They were sweeping generalisations, tantamount to painting all Palestinians as fanatics and would-be suicide bombers, without offering anything in the way of analysis or solutions. If you chose to assume his posts offer a clearer picture of the situation in the occupied territories than these other sources, that's your prerogative.
How about an attempt on your part to actually engage with the topic of the thread, rather than merely denying other people the right to an opinion. In my post I merely cited the widely held view that, although movement is required on all sides, it is the Israelis - as the overwhelming power in this conflict - who hold the key to it's resolution. (This was borne out for me during our own recent experiences of terrorism over Northern Ireland. Not an entirely analogous situation, granted, but enough to lead me to believe that only a political solution, rather than a military one, will finally resolve such conflicts). I'd be interested to know what it was about this statement you found so disagreeable, that you felt the need to question my understanding of the issues involved. Fire away.
RE: The Five Dancing Isra
Right here:
You assumed.
Which brings me to another point. Being able to sit back and learn about the situation gives an entirely different perspective (an unbiased perspective) on the current ME situation. Where as somebody who is in it may not be able to pull back and look at it objectively.
Right here:
You assumed.
Which brings me to another point. Being able to sit back and learn about the situation gives an entirely different perspective (an unbiased perspective) on the current ME situation. Where as somebody who is in it may not be able to pull back and look at it objectively.
RE: The Five Dancing Isra
No I showed a relationship to how I knew that people in Canada could also be fully aware of what it's like to live in terror. You assumed I must be bigotted or feel the need to prove my openmindedness. Funnier still because in another thread you used the very same tactic to explain why you believed that certain immigrants behaved a certain way.
Weirder still is that the vast majority of Canadians have IMMIGRANT parents or grandparents. And some of us actually have immigrant grandparents and parents from War torn countries. Some of us listened to our parents and grandparents talk about what it was like to be forced from their country.
I guess I should have used a family member to prove my point rather then my daughters friend. I had no idea that my 13yrs old daughter just showing how she wasn't racist by having a friend of a different colour. What you you have said if I'd used one of my daughters other friends who are from Poland? Would you have still said the same thing? They too were forced from their homeland. Or does it only work when the colour of the skin is different?
No I showed a relationship to how I knew that people in Canada could also be fully aware of what it's like to live in terror. You assumed I must be bigotted or feel the need to prove my openmindedness. Funnier still because in another thread you used the very same tactic to explain why you believed that certain immigrants behaved a certain way.
Weirder still is that the vast majority of Canadians have IMMIGRANT parents or grandparents. And some of us actually have immigrant grandparents and parents from War torn countries. Some of us listened to our parents and grandparents talk about what it was like to be forced from their country.
I guess I should have used a family member to prove my point rather then my daughters friend. I had no idea that my 13yrs old daughter just showing how she wasn't racist by having a friend of a different colour. What you you have said if I'd used one of my daughters other friends who are from Poland? Would you have still said the same thing? They too were forced from their homeland. Or does it only work when the colour of the skin is different?
What we need is a thread listing the crimes of the Israeli government, and the IDF...
Here's a start:
Rachel Corrie shares the fate of counless Palestinians
Palestinian Schoolgirl shot at least 20 times: Israeli soldiers exonerated
The Israeli government has been taken over by Zionists...there can be no peace while these people hold the reins of power...
I think that the fact that Gogotheb can't or won't see what's happening in his own country is a in all likelihood, a matter of not being able to see the forest for the trees, and the anti-Palestinian propoganda machine...
Here's a start:
Rachel Corrie shares the fate of counless Palestinians
Palestinian Schoolgirl shot at least 20 times: Israeli soldiers exonerated
The Israeli government has been taken over by Zionists...there can be no peace while these people hold the reins of power...
I think that the fact that Gogotheb can't or won't see what's happening in his own country is a in all likelihood, a matter of not being able to see the forest for the trees, and the anti-Palestinian propoganda machine...