The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

moghrabi

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Re: RE: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11

I think not said:
moghrabi said:
Thanks I Think Not. Views are healthy if taken in wisdom. No one should attack the other for his/her views as they only reflect his/her own. My experiences and what I went through helped me to develop these views and principles. If someone never witnessed a 9/11, they won't understand how it feels. All I am saying is people in the ME and especially the Pals being hit with 9/11 on a daily basis. How do you think the people of Iraq (the innocent ones) are feeling eveyday when their cities and towns are bombed with daisy chain bombs?

They aren't feeling very happy thats for sure. And you're right, personal experiences matter. As the personal experiences of the Israeli posting here (I forget his name).

I agree on one point with some of you, that Israel holds the power hence the solution. Pals are equally powerful with their methods, though. Strapping bombs around them and killing themselves only means that someone or something is telling them its a good thing to not value life, including their own.
That tells me other forces are at work.

Give the Pals the same kind of weaponary, and you will not see one suicide bomber. But that is the only thing they have to fight. I do not agree with it but they see it as an honor. Everyone values his/her life but if you have no life, what do you value?
 

Twila

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RE: The Five Dancing Isra

I just said it sounded weird cause you dropped that piece of information when it had no impact

Actually it did have an impact. The impact was that Canadians (of which my daughters friends are) CAN understand living in terror because being CANADIAN does not exclude you from having lived through terror.

My understanding of what you said was that being in North America we can't possibly understand what it might be like to live in fear for your life. So I attempted to prove to you that Canadians can know. And as I said earlier I should have mentioned our polish friends or maybe my grandparents who fled a nazi occupied Norway. Unfortunatley I didn't think of the ramifications of choosing the family I did. I hadn't thought about the colour of their skin only their origins.

But you are right about 1 thing. this entire line of banter should stop. Because I don't think about the colour of my skin nor do I think about the colour of the people around me. Unfortunatley you have placed an inordinate amount of importance on the assumption of the colour of my skin.
 

mrmom2

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Your right I'm talking about your people Das I'm sorry but they are just as rascist as white people .Not all of them of course but I would bet that theres just as many as there are white ones :( I'm was just trying to say that theres rascist's in every group and the only group that seems to be called on it is whites :wink: Sorry about the language had a bad day and I should not be venting on the board
 

moghrabi

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Thank you mrmom2 for clarifications. We all had a bad day on this board today. Let's all take a deep breath.
 

moghrabi

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I have the following points for my friend the Scientist to either agree with or prove otherwise.
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DID you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? Did you know that Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

Did you know that Jerusalem, both east and west, is considered by the entire world community, including the United States, to be occupied territory and NOT part of Israel?

Did you know that Israel allots 85 per cent of the water resources for Jews and the remaining 15 percent is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85 per cent of the water is given to about 400 settlers, while 15 per cent must be divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians?

Did you know the United States awards Israel $4 billion in aid each year? Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the whole African continent?

Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons? Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

Did you know that Israel currently occupies territories of two sovereign nations (Lebanon and Syria) in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?

Did you know that Israel has for decades routinely sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies? Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed by the IDF? Did you know that Israel refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?

Did you know that Israel routinely confiscates bank accounts, businesses and land and refuses to pay compensation to those who suffer the confiscation?

Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

Did you know that the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders, is the Israeli AIPAC?

Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 70 United Nations Security Council Resolutions? Did you know that today's Israel sits on the former sites of more than 400 now-vanished Palestinian villages, and that the Israelis renamed almost every physical site in the country to cover up the traces?

Did you know that it was not until 1988 that Israelis were barred from running "Jews Only" job ads?

Did you know that four prime ministers of Israel (Begin, Shamir, Rabin, and Sharon) have taken part in either bomb attacks on civilians, massacres of civilians, or forced expulsions of civilians from their villages?

Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays three American public relations firms to promote Israel to Americans?

Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party - Molodet - which advocates expelling all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

Did you know that Israel's settlement building increased in the eight years since Oslo? Did you know that settlement building under Barak doubled compared to settlement building under Netanyahu?

Did you know that Israel once dedicated a postage stamp to a man who attacked a civilian bus and killed several people?

Did you know that recently declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion in at least some instances approved of the expulsion of Palestinians in1948?

We often hear of Ehud Barak's generosity about an alleged return of 95 per cent of the Palestinian Occupied Territories. When Palestinians refused, they were blamed for "missing an opportunity." Did you know that the Palestinians have already accepted Israel's existence on 78 per cent of what was Palestine? Bible: God said to Abraham, "Unto thy seed, I will give thy land." Abraham had two sons. Ismael – the Arab son, and Isaac - the Jewish son. So even if one wants to go to the Bible, the land would belong to both.

Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ?

Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued by Shin Bet interrogators of Palestinian prisoners?

Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

To top it all the Government if USA pumps in as aid to Israel US $4 billion each year which can be used for much needed programs on health, education, housing and welfare for the "poor" in USA and around the world.



Question: which country alone in the Middle East has had Prime Ministers responsible for the massacres of refugees and acts of terrorism in the past century?

Answer: Israel is the leader in terrorism. As you already know, its current leader Ariel Sharon (who claims that the United States Government is under his control) ordered the murder of four Belgium War Crimes Trial star witnesses who was going to testify against him about the Sabra/Shatila massacres. Other Israeli leaders such as Shamir and Begin were also terrorists. Israel under the leadership of Mr. Sharon (Sabra and Shatila) and Mr. Shamir (King David Hotel).
 

Machjo

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mrmom2 said:
You guys been to Vancouver latley ?I'm a minority there boys I'm white and getting sick off Assholes like you playing the race card .I find your people are just as prejudiced as whites who are we kidding here 8O

I don't fully understand what you're trying to communicate here? Is it that being a minority bothers you? I'll tell you what, here in Hefei (population roughly 2.5 million) there's an estimated 500 or so foreigners, some of whom are Korean or Japanese. Granted there are Uighurs around too, but they look more turkic, speak a turkic language, and practice Islam. So that makes fewer than 500 caucasians of European origin in a city of about 2.5 million. I've also lived in Vancouver, on Vancouver Island, in Ontario and Quebec and, if anything, enjoyed the diversity. And here in China, I really couldn't be bothered with skin colour, language, religion or whatever. So I'm sorry, but I really don't get what you're getting at, unless there's something I misunderstood. If so, my apologies.
 

I think not

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moghrabi said:
I have the following points for my friend the Scientist to either agree with or prove otherwise.
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Did you know the United States awards Israel $4 billion in aid each year? Did you know that yearly US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the whole African continent?

Just so you know, our benevolent assholes here in the States in order to maintain peace between Israel and Egypt give aid to both countries, not Isreal alone. To date Israel has received $84 billion and Egypt $58 billion, since 1948.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/egyptaid.html

Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?

You speak of the USS Liberty I'm assuming. Nothing has ever been proven, but I'll go in your corner on this one.
 

DasFX

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moghrabi said:
I have the following points for my friend the Scientist to either agree with or prove otherwise.

I do not think I am responsible to refute these claims. As you are the accuser, I believe the onus is on you to provide some proof on these accusations.
 

DasFX

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mrmom2 said:
Your right I'm talking about your people Das I'm sorry but they are just as rascist as white people .Not all of them of course but I would bet that theres just as many as there are white ones :( I'm was just trying to say that theres rascist's in every group and the only group that seems to be called on it is whites :wink: Sorry about the language had a bad day and I should not be venting on the board

I do not disagree with you, racism is not isolated to one group of people. Indians are notorious for being racist, even amongst their own people.
 

DasFX

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Re: RE: The Five Dancing Isra

Twila said:
Actually it did have an impact. The impact was that Canadians (of which my daughters friends are) CAN understand living in terror because being CANADIAN does not exclude you from having lived through terror.

--Agreed, when I first wrote what I wrote I was thinking of born and brought of Canadians and not immigrante.

Unfortunatley I didn't think of the ramifications of choosing the family I did. I hadn't thought about the colour of their skin only their origins.

---There were no ramifications, I simply told you how some people would misconstrue that exact paragraph. I fully realize that is not what you meant, I was just trying to be helpful in pointing out how some people may misunderstand your meaning and take the phrase in question a totally different way.

Unfortunatley you have placed an inordinate amount of importance on the assumption of the colour of my skin.

--Look, I could care less if you were blue and purple. I only made the comment based on previous dealings. For the record, the only assumption that I made was that you were caucasian and I was right.

We live is a too politically correct world, everyone's afraid of being labelled a bigot or racist. Why?

"Because I don't think about the colour of my skin nor do I think about the colour of the people around me. "

I never claimed you did , but what would be so wrong if you did think about colour?
 

moghrabi

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DasFX said:
moghrabi said:
I have the following points for my friend the Scientist to either agree with or prove otherwise.

I do not think I am responsible to refute these claims. As you are the accuser, I believe the onus is on you to provide some proof on these accusations.

I am not the accuser. These are known facts that happened and still happening. I provided you with these and it is up to you to believe them or not.
 

DasFX

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moghrabi said:
DasFX said:
moghrabi said:
I have the following points for my friend the Scientist to either agree with or prove otherwise.

I do not think I am responsible to refute these claims. As you are the accuser, I believe the onus is on you to provide some proof on these accusations.

I am not the accuser. These are known facts that happened and still happening. I provided you with these and it is up to you to believe them or not.

You've provided a list of statements without any link for supporting information. I'm not so interested in the absolute facts of the conflict, I more interested in understanding why and how.