The existence of Israel = the invalidation of Christianity and Islam

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What you end up with is a book about literal events over periods of time.
No, what you end up with is an inconsistent, mythologized, and largely incorrect account of origins and purposes, written in much less civilized, literate, and knowledgeable, times than ours, so it contains many errors of fact and some truly horrible advice about what constitutes proper ethical behaviour.
Ancient Aliens with the sound down would be a good primer for who the 'sons of God' were back in the time before the flood. The cities that Adam and Eve's children should have inherited...[etc.]
That's a pretty good capsule statement of where we disagree. There was no Noachian flood, there was no Adam and Eve, as described in the OT, and to maintain that there were is to deny the validity of the entire modern scientific understanding of the world. You have never legitimized your basic premise, that the Bible is literally true. Granting that assumption renders your analysis plausible, but there's no reason to think it's true except for the Bible's claims about itself. That's a self-referential fallacy, not a valid argument, so your analysis becomes the most elaborately worked out and detailed example of confirmation bias I've ever seen. You're just wrong, that's all, which is really a bit saddening. You're obviously not stupid, but you've spent an incredible amount of time and energy working out the consequences of a false premise. What your dedication and concentration could have achieved had you started with better ideas...
 
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No, what you end up with is an inconsistent, mythologized, and largely incorrect account of origins and purposes,
That pretty much describes the current version of how most people view the Bible. Perhaps the ones that are reading Re:1 and end up living in the period of time that the trumps reference that would end with a literal return. Until they start to sound 3 1/2 years before the climax there is not supposed to be any proof that God exists. People have been digging holes all over the place but nothing comes up as proof. The Bible explains it as being the way things are during a time when the Bible is the only gathering tool there is. In that respect God is ahead of the game by erasing all His physical tracks.
Perhaps something as simple as looking at the text from the perspective that Ge:1 was also written in a language that could only be fully appreciated by somebody who had the whole bible to reference in a way that took seconds rather than years. We can do that with an e-bible so having the text the same as it was when it was originally given. Lets say the NT was complied earlier rather than later so that would put the last book being written about 100AD. That would fulfill the text in Daniel where Daniel is denied some text that would clear up some of his questions, the Book of Revelations would have done that if you happened to know the material as well as a high priest would.
Rearrange it as I have already suggested, questions about who God is are in the first and last 3 chapters of the Bible. The NT part about 1 day being 1,000 years long is how the dating went back then, that style of dating will return the day the 7th trump sounds. If it sounded at noon then by 3PM all the sinners in the world would be in the grave, by 6PM all the people that needed a resurrection to be alive will have experienced that so Re:20:4 is completed by that time. By the end of that 'day' the people are holy enough that they survive God sending fallen angels to the fiery lake. The people alive for that time are equal to angels so they are being judged just like Satan and the other fallen angels.

written in much less civilized, literate, and knowledgeable, times than ours, so it contains many errors of fact
If the reader of today was to apply our knowledge in a way that meshed with the text you end up with powers of 10 being used to expand on what the text itself says. The exit from the garden at the end of day7 was 4,000BC, using the old earth version the end of day1 was 4,000,000,000BC. Fitting the other days in is pretty simple and it might have some bits that are missing from other ancient accounts, such as plants before oceans and 24hr days not happening until the end of day4 (4M years ago) At the other end is the 1,000 years which could be changed into 3.60B years before the sun melts the metals on the earth and that fate isn't covered in other ancient texts.

and some truly horrible advice about what constitutes proper ethical behaviour.
Everything between the 1st and last 3 chapters has to do with the two bruises from Ge:3:15, considering the bruise stands for death just how gentle should the subject be. The perfected earth is when that sort of lifestyle exists, you complaint seems to be that it isn't soon enough.


That's a pretty good capsule statement of where we disagree. There was no Noachian flood, there was no Adam and Eve, as described in the OT,
The oceans have risen more than 400 ft since the ice age began to end. The text says a little more than 360 days, how long would an ice-age last, 360,000 years? Using the same old earth timeline God brought Adam to life in 400,000BC and Eve came along at 40,000BC. During that 360,000 years the garden area went from a desert to a lush garden. If we were to enter an ice-age like that would the same pattern repeat itself via climate change?
The Ark would have to hold the animals God brought to Adam to be named so the amount and location of them is not global but rather local.
When it rains on high hills and the tops of mountains it falls as snow and that explains the 150 days it took for the mountain tops to reappear as rocks.

and to maintain that there were is to deny the validity of the entire modern scientific understanding of the world.
Try going the other way, apply our knowledge to their writings rather than their knowledge being higher than ours. What they find confusing is what we should be able to solve, so far that holds true.

You have never legitimized your basic premise, that the Bible is literally true. Granting that assumption renders your analysis plausible, but there's no reason to think it's true except for the Bible's claims about itself.
Think of it as a self contained mystery novel where we are left the task of applying all the passages to a specific event in the timeline the book is said to cover. The overall transition is from a broken world to one that has those imperfections fixed because there is somebodt named God that can do that very thing.

That's a self-referential fallacy, not a valid argument, so your analysis becomes the most elaborately worked out and detailed example of confirmation bias I've ever seen.
Using Revelations as an index to the rest of the book is not voodoo magic, that is as easy as comparing Re:12 and Ge:3:15, if you miss the relationship the flaw is in you rather than in the context of the two references.

You're just wrong, that's all, which is really a bit saddening.
Really?? You would like nothing better as this is more ego driven than reading comprehension on your part. 'I stand corrected.' is not in your vocabulary so that is what is making you sad.

You're obviously not stupid, but you've spent an incredible amount of time and energy working out the consequences of a false premise.
How do you find out if something is true or false if you don't follow all the leads. So far you have missed the literal version of Christian Theology. That is your own fault.

What your dedication and concentration could have achieved had you started with better ideas...
The Bible is a hobby. I have ideas all the time, some are new, some are solutions to old questions. Your idea of not listening to a version that is new to you is not the smartest move you have ever made.
 

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That pretty much describes the current version of how most people view the Bible. Perhaps the ones that are reading Re:1 and end up living in the period of time that the trumps reference that would end with a literal return. Until they start to sound 3 1/2 years before the climax there is not supposed to be any proof that God exists. People have been digging holes all over the place but nothing comes up as proof. The Bible explains it as being the way things are during a time when the Bible is the only gathering tool there is. In that respect God is ahead of the game by erasing all His physical tracks.
Perhaps something as simple as looking at the text from the perspective that Ge:1 was also written in a language that could only be fully appreciated by somebody who had the whole bible to reference in a way that took seconds rather than years. We can do that with an e-bible so having the text the same as it was when it was originally given. Lets say the NT was complied earlier rather than later so that would put the last book being written about 100AD. That would fulfill the text in Daniel where Daniel is denied some text that would clear up some of his questions, the Book of Revelations would have done that if you happened to know the material as well as a high priest would.
Rearrange it as I have already suggested, questions about who God is are in the first and last 3 chapters of the Bible. The NT part about 1 day being 1,000 years long is how the dating went back then, that style of dating will return the day the 7th trump sounds. If it sounded at noon then by 3PM all the sinners in the world would be in the grave, by 6PM all the people that needed a resurrection to be alive will have experienced that so Re:20:4 is completed by that time. By the end of that 'day' the people are holy enough that they survive God sending fallen angels to the fiery lake. The people alive for that time are equal to angels so they are being judged just like Satan and the other fallen angels.


If the reader of today was to apply our knowledge in a way that meshed with the text you end up with powers of 10 being used to expand on what the text itself says. The exit from the garden at the end of day7 was 4,000BC, using the old earth version the end of day1 was 4,000,000,000BC. Fitting the other days in is pretty simple and it might have some bits that are missing from other ancient accounts, such as plants before oceans and 24hr days not happening until the end of day4 (4M years ago) At the other end is the 1,000 years which could be changed into 3.60B years before the sun melts the metals on the earth and that fate isn't covered in other ancient texts.


Everything between the 1st and last 3 chapters has to do with the two bruises from Ge:3:15, considering the bruise stands for death just how gentle should the subject be. The perfected earth is when that sort of lifestyle exists, you complaint seems to be that it isn't soon enough.



The oceans have risen more than 400 ft since the ice age began to end. The text says a little more than 360 days, how long would an ice-age last, 360,000 years? Using the same old earth timeline God brought Adam to life in 400,000BC and Eve came along at 40,000BC. During that 360,000 years the garden area went from a desert to a lush garden. If we were to enter an ice-age like that would the same pattern repeat itself via climate change?
The Ark would have to hold the animals God brought to Adam to be named so the amount and location of them is not global but rather local.
When it rains on high hills and the tops of mountains it falls as snow and that explains the 150 days it took for the mountain tops to reappear as rocks.


Try going the other way, apply our knowledge to their writings rather than their knowledge being higher than ours. What they find confusing is what we should be able to solve, so far that holds true.


Think of it as a self contained mystery novel where we are left the task of applying all the passages to a specific event in the timeline the book is said to cover. The overall transition is from a broken world to one that has those imperfections fixed because there is somebodt named God that can do that very thing.


Using Revelations as an index to the rest of the book is not voodoo magic, that is as easy as comparing Re:12 and Ge:3:15, if you miss the relationship the flaw is in you rather than in the context of the two references.


Really?? You would like nothing better as this is more ego driven than reading comprehension on your part. 'I stand corrected.' is not in your vocabulary so that is what is making you sad.


How do you find out if something is true or false if you don't follow all the leads. So far you have missed the literal version of Christian Theology. That is your own fault.


The Bible is a hobby. I have ideas all the time, some are new, some are solutions to old questions. Your idea of not listening to a version that is new to you is not the smartest move you have ever made.
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I will give sporadic incidents of Moses and his people to see how they reacted towards him.

Quran 5: 20-26, which mean:

[Then to confirm our Prophet Mohammed, God – be glorified – mentioned the acts of Jews in opposing their noble prophet Moses:]

20. And [mention to them] when Moses said to his people: "My people, remember God's favor to you a: how He made among you prophets b, and made you kings c, and gave you that [d which] He gave not to anyone else out of all nations."

21. "My people, enter the holy e land [of Jericho, in Jordan] which God has decreed for you [that you will enter it in the future.]
Turn not your backs [in fight] f, for surely you will then lose g.

22. They said: "Moses, there are powerful giant people h in it; we will not enter it unless they depart from it i; if they depart from it then we will enter [it.]"

23. Then two men j from among those who feared [God's punishment k], – God bestowed on both of them [health and long life l]:, said `Enter by the gate [of Jericho] advancing against them; and once you have entered by it, then surely you will be victorious m. And put your trust in God, if truly you are believers.'

24. They said: "Moses, we will never enter it while they are therein. So go you and your Lord and fight [for our behalf!] We, here, are sitting n."

25. Said [Moses]: "My Lord, I rule no one [of these people] except myself and my brother [Aaron]; so do Thou part us from the people of the ungodly o."

26. [God – be glorified –] said: "Henceforth, the [holy land] is forbidden them for forty years p, during which they will wander about throughout the land q. So grieve not over the rebellious people." r}
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20 a And His bounties to you.
20 b To teach you the details of your religion and to save you from your enemy. Those prophets were Moses, Aaron and Joshua were with them, while those who preceded them were Isaac, Jacob and the patriarchs the sons of Jacob.
20 c And masters of yourselves, after being servants of Pharaoh enslaving and subjecting you.
20 d Blessings: like the parting of the sea, the gushing of water out of the stone and the sending of the "manna" and quails on them, and the over-shadowing of the cloud above you, etc.

121 e i.e. the purified, which is Jericho; God called it المقَدَّسَةَ"holy" because it is part of Jordan, and Abraham sojourned in Jordan and prayed in it when he departed from Ur in Iraq, then Jacob and his sons resided in Jordan after him.
121 f i.e. listen to the word of God, enter it with war and fighting, but don't return back and don't refuse to enter it.
121 g i.e. you will lose the holy land and God's care about you, if you don't hear His words and work according to His command.

22 h Whom we cannot fight and drive them away from their land.
22 i Without fighting.

23 j Joshua son of Nun and Caleb son of Jephunneh.
23 k And they used not to disobey Him.
23 l Until forty years later, they entered the holy land.
23 m Because God will cast terror in their hearts, so they will run away.

24 n Waiting for their departure [from Jericho.]

25 o He meant by "the ungodly" the ten men whom they sent to Jericho to spy out its land, farms and gardens; but when they returned they started to dispraise it, which was the reason for the rebellion of the Children of Israel and their refusal to conquer it; so God sent down plague on those ten men and they died with it.

26 p During which they will not enter it.
26 q i.e. in the desert, wandering about, and they will not enter the cities.
26 r So they remained in that desert for forty years, and the fathers died gradually, while the sons grew to become strong, and they fought and overcame [their enemies] and, after the death of Moses, they ,together with Joshua, conquered Jericho.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_20
http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#Their_Rebellion_against_Their_Prophet_

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Quran 14: 8, which means:
{And Moses said [to his people]: "If you disbelieve [and are ungrateful] together with whoso are on the earth altogether, then assuredly God is not in need [of your worship and gratitude, and He is] a Praiseworthy a."}
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a i.e. His angels praise and glorify Him.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/14.htm#a14_8
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Quran 61: 5, which means:
{And [mention to them] when Moses said to his people: "My people, why do you hurt a me, when you well know that I am God's messenger to you?"
So when they deviated [from piety b], God let their hearts deviate [from the way of the truth]; [for] God guides not the people that are disobedient. c}
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a They hurt him by disobeying his command and disbelieving him.
b i.e. when they deviated from doing charity, severed the relation with the kindred and disobeyed [God.] Therefore, He said after that:
c It means: God dislikes those having bad manners; and He likes the kind-hearted, the one who is truthful in his words, the generous and the one who fulfills his promise and covenant.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/61.htm#a61_5
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Quran 7: 138-139, which mean:
138. And We took the Children of Israel across the sea a, and they came to a people who were devoted to some idols which they had.
The [Children of Israel] said: "O Moses, make for us a god b, even as they have gods c." [Moses] said: "You are surely a people ignorant [about God and His might.]"

139. "Certainly, the work d of these [idolaters] will lead to destruction e, and all that they are doing is in vain f."

140. [Moses] said: "Shall I seek for you a god other than God when He has favored you [with excess bounties and surplus] above all peoples of the world?"

141. And [remember] when We did save you from Pharaoh's folk, who treated you with the worst persecution g, killing your sons and letting your women live; in that was a great trial for you from your Lord.
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138 a i.e. We made for them a road in it, and they crossed.
138 b Which we should worship.
138 c Which they worship.

139 d i.e. the idol worship.
139 e It means: they are going to be destroyed because of such act of theirs.
139 f They will not be rewarded for it, but will be punished and will lose.

141 g They dealt with you like their dealing with those whom they punished.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/7.htm#a7_138
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The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, who wrote what was dictated by inspiration.

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Quran 2: 88-90, which mean:
{And [Jews] say: "Our hearts are enveloped. a "
Not so, but God has cursed them for their blasphemy b, so it is only a few [of them] who will believe [in you, Mohammed.] c

89. And when there came to the [Jews, d the Quran:] a Book from God, confirming [the monotheism] that they already have e
– although aforetime they were foretelling [the prophecy and glad tidings] to those who disbelieve f –
when there comes to them [the messenger Mohammed] that they have recognized, they deny him g;
so God's curse h be on [his] deniers.

90. For a bad bargain have they sold their soulsi;
That j they deny the [Quran] which God has revealed [to Mohammed] because of their insolent envy;
grudging that God – with His bounty – should reveal to any of His servants He pleases k;
so they return [to Us after their death] incurring wrath after wrath l;
and for deniers m there will be a humiliating chastisement [on Doomsday.]}
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88 a i.e. there is a cover on our hearts so that we don't understand what you, Mohammed, say.
In fact that was because of their haughtiness and stubbornness.
88 b i.e. they in fact understand and know well, but it is only according to their stubbornness and haughtiness; therefore, they don't comply to the truth; so the curse is their reward for their blasphemy, and there will be an evil outcome for them.
88 c [As such will the situation be of the stubborn deniers of the Mahdi on his advent: They will deny him, in spite of that they see the description in their books applicable to him, although they are the first and most zealous than others to foretell about his coming.– the commentator.]

89 d i.e. the Jews contemporary to Prophet Mohammed.
89 e i.e. the monotheism included in the heavenly books, and that the worship and devotion should be for God alone and it is not allowed for anyone other than God.
89 f i.e. they had been foretelling the pagan Arabs [before Prophet Mohammed came] and giving them the prophecy and the glad tidings of the advent of a prophet whose description is so and so.
89 g When Mohammed came to them, whom they recognized and knew his description, and about whom they foretold the idolaters, they denied and did not believe him.
89 h i.e. His wrath and punishment.

90 i i.e. Evil indeed is the money for which they sold themselves, and preferred their life in the World for their Next Life; because they denied Mohammed for the purpose of seeking after the wealth and the position which they liked so much.

[This will be the situation of the deniers of the Mahdi on his advent; for they will resist him because of their loving the wealth and seeking after the position, although his mission is Islamic: inviting them to applicate the Quran statements — the Commentator.]

90 j i.e. their loss was because they denied the Quran revealed from God to Prophet Mohammed.
90 k Their envy and enmity to Mohammed was because he was Arabian, and not one of them, while God offers wisdom and prophet-hood to anyone of His servants whom He please, and does not regard any tribe or clan, but He chooses out of people the one who is kind-hearted, having a noble manner and good conduct, and being capable of carrying out this task.
90 l i.e. We prepared for them twofolds of punishment: the first wrath is according to their denial of Jesus, and the second is according to their denial of Mohammed.
90 m that are like them.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_88
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Quran 2: 88-90, which mean:
{88. And [Jews] say: "Our hearts are enveloped. a "
Not so, but God has cursed them for their blasphemy
b, so it is only a few [of them] who will believe [in you, Mohammed.] c

89. And when there came to the [Jews, d the Quran:] a Book from God, confirming [the monotheism] that they already have e
– although aforetime they were foretelling [the prophecy and glad tidings] to those who disbelieve f
when there comes to them [the messenger Mohammed] that they have recognized, they deny him
g;
so God's curse
h be on [his] deniers.

90. For a bad bargain have they sold their souls i;
That
j they deny the [Quran] which God has revealed [to Mohammed] because of their insolent envy;
grudging that God – with His bounty – should reveal to any of His servants He pleases
k;
so they return [to Us after their death] incurring wrath after wrath
l;
and for deniers
m there will be a humiliating chastisement [on Doomsday.]}
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88 a i.e. there is a cover on our hearts so that we don't understand what you, Mohammed, say.
In fact that was because of their haughtiness and stubbornness.
88 b i.e. they in fact understand and know well, but it is only according to their stubbornness and haughtiness; therefore, they don't comply to the truth; so the curse is their reward for their blasphemy, and there will be an evil outcome for them.
88 c [As such will the situation be of the stubborn deniers of the Mahdi on his advent: They will deny him, in spite of that they see the description in their books applicable to him, although they are the first and most zealous than others to foretell about his coming.– the commentator.]

89 d i.e. the Jews contemporary to Prophet Mohammed.
89 e i.e. the monotheism included in the heavenly books, and that the worship and devotion should be for God alone and it is not allowed for anyone other than God.
89 f i.e. they had been foretelling the pagan Arabs [before Prophet Mohammed came] and giving them the prophecy and the glad tidings of the advent of a prophet whose description is so and so.
89 g When Mohammed came to them, whom they recognized and knew his description, and about whom they foretold the idolaters, they denied and did not believe him.
89 h i.e. His wrath and punishment.

90 i i.e. Evil indeed is the money for which they sold themselves, and preferred their life in the World for their Next Life; because they denied Mohammed for the purpose of seeking after the wealth and the position which they liked so much.

[This will be the situation of the deniers of the Mahdi on his advent; for they will resist him because of their loving the wealth and seeking after the position, although his mission is Islamic: inviting them to applicate the Quran statements — the Commentator.]

90 j i.e. their loss was because they denied the Quran revealed from God to Prophet Mohammed.
90 k Their envy and enmity to Mohammed was because he was Arabian, and not one of them, while God offers wisdom and prophet-hood to anyone of His servants whom He please, and does not regard any tribe or clan, but He chooses out of people the one who is kind-hearted, having a noble manner and good conduct, and being capable of carrying out this task.
90 l i.e. We prepared for them twofolds of punishment: the first wrath is according to their denial of Jesus, and the second is according to their denial of Mohammed.
90 m that are like them.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_88
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Quran 5: 60, which means:
Say [Mohammed d]: "Shall I tell you [Jews] about something worse than that [you mock at, of our religion]e – concerning a reward from God [that will be for us?f]
They are those [your ancestors and you] whom God cursed g, and His wrath was kindled against them h,
and He made out of their [dead bodies] the apes and swines i [in Palestine, after the coming of Nabuchodonosor],
and [those who] served the Taghoot: the tyrant [: Nabuchodonosor, and Pharaoh before him.]
j
Those [who served Baal and Astaroth] are [today] worst in abode and farthest [than others] astray from the right way."
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d To these Jews who mocked your prayers and denied your belief.

e Because we believe in God alone and we do not associate anything with Him.

f And we will not have evil as do you claim, but the evil will be for you and your ancestors who associated with God, and worshipped the calf, Baal, and Astaroth.

g i.e. God shifted him away from His mercy, and humiliated him.

h Because of their disbelieving and worshipping the idols.

i i.e. He created the apes and swines, in the country of Palestine, out of their dead corpses, and that was after the event of Nabuchodonosor.

j i.e. God caused them to be slaves of Nabuchodonosor who enslaved them for seventy years, as had Pharaoh enslaved them for two hundred years. This is in the in the life of the World; while in the Next Life, the spirits of the associaters and idolaters among them serve the devils in the Barzakh world (or the spirit world or the afterlife world.)
 

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That's not the way things work. It's up to Fomenko to make his case to the academic and scientific communities, it's not up to them to disprove his claims. I'd never heard of him before your mention of him, I had to look him up, and spent an interesting 90 minutes or so cruising through several discussions of him and his works. It's clear that he hasn't made his case to anyone but the foolish and gullible, and there's lots of perfectly sound criticism of his ideas. You do realize, don't you, that if Fomenko is right then another of the pseudosciences you admire, Velikovsky's catastrophism, must be wrong, and vice versa? You must spend a lot of time in a state of serious cognitive dissonance.
He's very much an insider DS.


Fomenko, Anatoly Timofeevich. Born in 1945. Full Member (Academician) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Full Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Full Member of the International Higher Education Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, Professor, Head of the Moscow State University Department of Mathematics and Mechanics. Solved the Plateau s Problem from the theory of minimal spectral surfaces. Author of the theory of invariants and topological classification of integrable Hamiltonian dynamic systems. Laureate of the 1996 National Premium in Mathematics of the Russian Federation for a cycle of works on the Hamiltonian dynamic system multitude invariance theory. Author of 180 scientific publications, 26 monographs and textbooks on mathematics, a specialist in geometry and topology, variational calculus, symplectic topology, Hamiltonian geometry and mechanics, computer geometry. Author of a number of books on the development of new empirico-statistical methods and their application to the analysis of historical chronicles as well as the chronology of antiquity and the Middle Ages.
 

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He's very much an insider DS.


Fomenko, Anatoly Timofeevich. Born in 1945. Full Member (Academician) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Full Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Full Member of the International Higher Education Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, Professor, Head of the Moscow State University Department of Mathematics and Mechanics. Solved the Plateau s Problem from the theory of minimal spectral surfaces. Author of the theory of invariants and topological classification of integrable Hamiltonian dynamic systems. Laureate of the 1996 National Premium in Mathematics of the Russian Federation for a cycle of works on the Hamiltonian dynamic system multitude invariance theory. Author of 180 scientific publications, 26 monographs and textbooks on mathematics, a specialist in geometry and topology, variational calculus, symplectic topology, Hamiltonian geometry and mechanics, computer geometry. Author of a number of books on the development of new empirico-statistical methods and their application to the analysis of historical chronicles as well as the chronology of antiquity and the Middle Ages.
That's all well and good DB but can the azzhole filet a fish or make blackberry wine ?
 

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The quality of the rebuttals would say a lot about who they are and how solid their position is. The problem with reading is you don't get to question the author directly to clear up the questions that arise as you read something new.

How about this part be added to the bear incident.
The 40 children were from the Temple staff that were in conflict with the Prophets by that time. Parting the water was the first time for Elisha and some did notice that he had his father's abilities. Abilities that an anointed High Priest would have. They were not cursing a bald man, they were cursing somebody who had the same authority that Moses had and the odds are he did a 'WTF!' when it happened and that was the last time he cursed anybody.

Would you bet that he didn't?
The grapevine says the Ruskies can multi-task. One author who writes many different books while in prison probably got the details from other inmates and used them as a base for his own stories. I'm sure a white Canadian in the far north in the winter has used socks for mittens on more than one occasion rather than that option only coming after years in a gulag..
 

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I have a celtic cross that is a device for measuring angles...for building navigation trade and surveying
all you religious types are just wrong

but keep on arguing about how many angles can dance on the head of a pin
don't let me spoil your fun
 

Dexter Sinister

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So far you have missed the literal version of Christian Theology. That is your own fault.
No, I know the literal version of Christianity quite well, I've been hearing about it and reading about it and thinking about it for decades. I haven't missed anything, I'm just convinced it's demonstrably false.
Your idea of not listening to a version that is new to you is not the smartest move you have ever made.
If that's what I'd done you'd be right, but it isn't so you're not. Despite your assumptions to the contrary, every post of yours I respond to I've read carefully and thought about. It always comes back to the same point: your arguments do not meet a standard of evidence I find acceptable. They are entirely arguments from the authority of scripture, and until you can provide evidence and argument that legitimizes that authority you've got nothing convincing. You've got only the well known argument from authority fallacy, which always deserves to be rejected.

Fomenko, Anatoly Timofeevich. Born in 1945. Full Member (Academician) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Full Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, Full Member of the International Higher Education Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Physics and Mathematics, Professor, Head of the Moscow State University Department of Mathematics and Mechanics. Solved the Plateau s Problem from the theory of minimal spectral surfaces. Author of the theory of invariants and topological classification of integrable Hamiltonian dynamic systems. Laureate of the 1996 National Premium in Mathematics of the Russian Federation for a cycle of works on the Hamiltonian dynamic system multitude invariance theory. Author of 180 scientific publications, 26 monographs and textbooks on mathematics, a specialist in geometry and topology, variational calculus, symplectic topology, Hamiltonian geometry and mechanics, computer geometry. Author of a number of books on the development of new empirico-statistical methods and their application to the analysis of historical chronicles as well as the chronology of antiquity and the Middle Ages.
Yeah, and so what? No credentials put anyone above the risk of being wrong, that's just another argument from authority fallacy. He hasn't convinced his peers or the experts in other fields he's making claims about, therefore we do not accept his claims as proven. He's got a lot more work to do. When Alfred Wegener first floated the idea of continental drift he lacked the evidence or any plausible mechanism to explain it so his ideas were rightly not accepted. Eventually the evidence was found and the mechanism discovered and now we know he was right and he rightly gets credit for that. That's the way it works.
 
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