The Donroe Doctrine

Ron in Regina

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About 15 years ago, I was in a conversation with a retired engineer that was driving for the trucking company I’m with. Back in the early 60s he was involved in exploration south of Moose Jaw, and they were finding oil there, but there was bigger better cheaper, easier elsewhere with 1960s technology…& I don’t think anything has been done about it since.
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Pete would be the one to add to this.
 

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I’m sure tourists generally avoid the poorer sections of Los Angeles, or other parts of America too, but that doesn’t justify anything…

Anyway…the five largest oil reserve countries in the world are Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Canada, and Iraq. Together, these nations hold a significant majority of the world's proven oil reserves.
  • Venezuela (approx. 303 billion bbl): Holds the world's largest proven reserves, mostly extra-heavy crude in the Orinoco Belt, invaded by America this year.
  • Saudi Arabia (approx. 267 billion bbl):possesses massive conventional light oil reserves and leads in exports with lower production costs, currently still allies even after 16/21 from 9/11 where from Saudi Arabia.
  • Iran (approx. 209 billion bbl): Significant reserves located in the Middle East, though its ability to monetize is hindered by international sanctions…currently being attacked by America.
  • Canada (approx. 163–171 billion bbl):Reserves are primarily in Alberta's oil sands (bitumen), requiring advanced extraction technology…51st the first state, etc…
  • Iraq (approx. 145 billion bbl): Holds substantial, under-developed, and low-cost reserves in the Middle East, that America hasn’t invaded since 2003.
  • The U.S. is the top oil producer, but ranks lower in total proven reserves compared to these five.
Totally different & you know it.
 
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How so? Levels of desperation or depravity. Law-enforcement or lack there of?
Well, I suppose you could say if you're poor in L.A. or in Bagdad, you're still poor. BUT the point I was trying (& apparently didn't do well) is that there's a difference between WHY these people are poor; Tyranny is one, being a drug addict is another - neither is the same as the other.
 

Ron in Regina

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Drug addiction (due to the tyranny of extreme Enforcement, based upon your reference of comparison) is almost nonexistent in Cuba…though it has reared its head, & that isn’t as valid a statement for America.

(The surge in addiction from almost zero to more than zero is linked to the deep economic crisis in Cuba, which has resulted in widespread shortages, rising poverty, and a lack of opportunities, particularly for young people)

Cuba is poor because….? It’s literally a large (comparatively for its neighbourhood) island in the Caribbean, that’s been under sanctions and embargo for 68 years as of…yesterday. To the best of my knowledge, there is no embargo or sanctions against the poorer neighbourhoods of Los Angeles or any other city or state or America itself.

Ask yourself, why Trumps focus on Cuban and not some other Caribbean island in that chain like….oh, let’s say Haiti? Haiti is like 90% controlled by various gangs, and pretty much Lawless, with a collapse of pretty much all of its services to its people, and crickets from America? But…but the distance from Haiti to Guantánamo Bay is almost exactly the same as the distance from Cuba to Florida…so it’s not a distance thing…🤔Why isn’t America clamouring to choke out the gangs and lawlessness in Haiti? Why the focus on Cuba?

Is America’s/Trump’s focus on Cuba more an issue of geography than anything else? Cuba is located roughly 700-800 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River, separated by the Gulf of Mexico. Situated just 90 miles south of Florida, Cuba lies directly below the U.S. Gulf Coast, positioning it as a strategic choke point at the entrance to the Gulf of Mexico, with the Mississippi River flowing into the Gulf significantly further north and west. Just pointing that out.
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Whose tyranny is inflicting hardship on Cuba if that’s where you’re going here? Don’t get me wrong here because I am neither a fan of the Cuban government or communism, but just trying to step back and look at the bigger picture.

Is America’s focus on Cuba more of a political thing (not democracy versus communism, but Democrats versus Republicans) with respect to Cuban expat populations (voting blocks) in Florida for example?

Cuba is like a gate for the Gulf of Mexico America Mexico “potentially” depending on who’s in control of it and what their motivation is. On that note, after Cuba, is America’s biggest next threat/issue going to be Panama (again, like in 1989-1990)?
 

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Ask yourself, why Trumps focus on Cuban and not some other Caribbean island in that chain like….oh, let’s say Haiti? Haiti is like 90% controlled by various gangs, and pretty much Lawless
Aside from the location, Cuba basically has 1 thugocracy in control. There is also a sizable voting block with Cuban ancestry in the US. Haiti, OTH is more like the muddle east with multiple problems and little if any reward for cleaning it up.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Aside from the location, Cuba basically has 1 thugocracy in control. There is also a sizable voting block with Cuban ancestry in the US. Haiti, OTH is more like the muddle east with multiple problems and little if any reward for cleaning it up.
Stability, for America (not necessarily to Cuba’s benefit, but it could be) in the western hemisphere that it (America) has decided upon being in its best interest regardless of the sovereignty or decisions of the other 34 countries that also happened to occupy the Western hemisphere?

Are there worse (in America’s opinion) countries in that neighbourhood that are not as geographically and nationally (for America in America) politically relevant? Like maybe my example of Haiti?

The U.S. alleges Cuba hosts Russian and Chinese intelligence facilities and actively supports anti-U.S. actors in the region, including Hamas and Hezbollah. It is seen as a persistent, ideological foe that could trigger a migration crisis if its government falls, like Trump is pushing for to happen?

Haiti's gangs themselves are designated as "foreign terrorist organizations" by the U.S., engaging in kidnapping, drug trafficking, and arms smuggling, which can directly affect U.S. citizens and interests. The total collapse of the Haitian state poses an immediate, chaotic threat to the surrounding Caribbean region and the U.S. border.

In early 2026, the U.S. initiated a "maximum pressure" campaign against Cuba (not Haiti), including an oil blockade designed to trigger regime change, while simultaneously dealing with the consequences of an underfunded UN "Gang Suppression Force" (= half assed) trying to stabilize Haiti.

Ultimately, some analysts argue that while Cuba poses a more significant strategic risk to U.S. foreign policy, Haiti’s ongoing collapse poses a more immediate and tangible threat to regional security and border management…so the next target of America’s “Shield of the Americas (plural)” would be….Panama? Columbia? Mexico? Ecuador? Greenland?
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(Of the 13 members of the “Shield of the Americas (plural)”, there are three nations involved in the initiative that have English as a first language or official language, although it is the primary native language for only two, one of those being America)

On March 7, 2026, President Trump signed a proclamation launching the Shield of the Americas initiative, establishing an Americas Counter-Cartel Coalition. The signing took place at the Shield of the Americas summit at Trump National Doral Miami because Trump owns a golf course there (I shit you not).
 

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The U.S. alleges Cuba hosts Russian and Chinese intelligence facilities and actively supports anti-U.S. actors in the region, including Hamas and Hezbollah. It is seen as a persistent, ideological foe that could trigger a migration crisis if its government falls, like Trump is pushing for to happen?
And we just HATE it when other people do what we do!
 
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Stability, for America (not necessarily to Cuba’s benefit, but it could be) in the western hemisphere that it (America) has decided upon being in its best interest regardless of the sovereignty or decisions of the other 34 countries that also happened to occupy the Western hemisphere?
Eminent Domain? Trump is a firm believer that the US is the rightful world director. Lots of Americans used to fully support this.