The death of personal responsibility

JLM

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We are talking about safety standards, not whether or not a mechanic is reliable or not.:roll:

And the reliability of a mechanic doesn't tie in with safety standards?????????? If the manager puts up with substandard mechanical work, why would a substandard car seat bother him?
 

#juan

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And the reliability of a mechanic doesn't tie in with safety standards?????????? If the manager puts up with substandard mechanical work, why would a substandard car seat bother him?

Hopefully, the substandard car seat would not get to market. Nothing to do with a Canadian Tire manager.
 

gerryh

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OMG... it is so hard to believe that someone of your age and experience could miss the point by so much.
 

karrie

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I don't get why it's okay to expect that those profiting from the sale of goods should be expected to follow the law at one level, but not at another. Why expect Canadian Tire to sell only safe goods, but let Jane from down the road profit off a car seat that was in a vehicle rollover?


Okay, I'll clarify JLM... why expect CT to only sell goods (this thread is discussing child safety products, btw, just to clarify which goods we're talking about) that meet health canada standards (manuals, all parts included, within expiry dates, never been in a car accident), but not expect Jane from down the road to do the same when profiting off their sale?
 

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Okay, I'll clarify JLM... why expect CT to only sell goods (this thread is discussing child safety products, btw, just to clarify which goods we're talking about) that meet health canada standards (manuals, all parts included, within expiry dates, never been in a car accident), but not expect Jane from down the road to do the same when profiting off their sale?


Because selling used goods is not the same as selling new. But you know that already.

You have a point, though. All yard sales, swap meets, garage sales, church rummage sales, etc, should be licensed and regulated and everything for sale in them inspected and examined. All buyers need to be tracked as well, and a clear warranty should be provided.
 

karrie

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lol.... so telling someone that they have a responsiblity, amounts to flying off the deep end?

Perhaps the thread IS right... it's the death of personal responsibility if you can't tell people "Hey, you know that product we made sure was safe when you bought it? We expect you to extend the same responsibility forward if you resell it."
 

JLM

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Because selling used goods is not the same as selling new. But you know that already.

You have a point, though. All yard sales, swap meets, garage sales, church rummage sales, etc, should be licensed and regulated and everything for sale in them inspected and examined. All buyers need to be tracked as well, and a clear warranty should be provided.

Bureaucrat! :lol:

lol.... so telling someone that they have a responsiblity, amounts to flying off the deep end?

Perhaps the thread IS right... it's the death of personal responsibility if you can't tell people "Hey, you know that product we made sure was safe when you bought it? We expect you to extend the same responsibility forward if you resell it."

The expectation with yard sales is much different from retail outlets. You are typically spending 5% of the amount for some "junk" that may or may not be used for its original purpose. A car seat COULD be used for a child's doll. Let's not add to the plethora of bureaucrats who are already robbing us blind!
 

karrie

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Bureaucrat! :lol:



The expectation with yard sales is much different from retail outlets. You are typically spending 5% of the amount for some "junk" that may or may not be used for its original purpose. A car seat COULD be used for a child's doll. Let's not add to the plethora of bureaucrats who are already robbing us blind!

Go read my original post in the thread... I pointed out the very simplest way to circumvent the need for following standards.
 

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Okay, I'll clarify JLM... why expect CT to only sell goods (this thread is discussing child safety products, btw, just to clarify which goods we're talking about) that meet health canada standards (manuals, all parts included, within expiry dates, never been in a car accident), but not expect Jane from down the road to do the same when profiting off their sale?
Because it was new, in the box.

Used, sold as is, is a fair enough statement when selling a used car.

It should apply across the board.

The purchaser has to bear some responsibility.

Perhaps the thread IS right... it's the death of personal responsibility if you can't tell people "Hey, you know that product we made sure was safe when you bought it? We expect you to extend the same responsibility forward if you resell it."
Why should the same responsibility be passed forward?

Isn't that like saying you can't re/sell a 69 Pick up, because there's no seat belts?

The brakes don't work?

The tires are bald?

The purchaser bears all responsibility to ensure a vehicle is safe for the road, and meets present applicable standards.

If you buy a used car seat at a garage sale, it's used, and old. It's sold as is, it's use is the purchasers responsibility.
 

#juan

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I may have a bit of an advantage in that am a mechanical engineer but any sensible person should be able to look
at something like a car seat/boosterseat, and tell if it is any use as what it was designed to be. It's not rocket
science. In a town like Nanaimo, somebody has a garage sale every three years or so and it seems that everyone
has had most of that stuff at least once.
 

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lol.... so telling someone that they have a responsiblity, amounts to flying off the deep end?

Perhaps the thread IS right... it's the death of personal responsibility if you can't tell people "Hey, you know that product we made sure was safe when you bought it? We expect you to extend the same responsibility forward if you resell it."

I think that buying anything as important as a car seat where you have no way of tracking its history is not very personally responsible. Period. We can talk legal liability of the sender but the bottom line is if you are pursuing that liability, your kid is probably dead. A victory or not in court will not change that. Yet people will flock to garage sales and try to save a buck.
 

karrie

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I think that buying anything as important as a car seat where you have no way of tracking its history is not very personally responsible. Period. We can talk legal liability of the sender but the bottom line is if you are pursuing that liability, your kid is probably dead. A victory or not in court will not change that. Yet people will flock to garage sales and try to save a buck.
Well, while the OP has focused on the car seats and cribs, Health Canada hasn't. If you go read their website, there is a host of things that they warn garage salers and second hand stores, to watch out for when reselling. Hockey helmets, blinds, clothing.... it encompasses a lot of things.
 

JLM

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Because it was new, in the box.

Used, sold as is, is a fair enough statement when selling a used car.

It should apply across the board.

The purchaser has to bear some responsibility.

Why should the same responsibility be passed forward?

Isn't that like saying you can't re/sell a 69 Pick up, because there's no seat belts?

The brakes don't work?

The tires are bald?

The purchaser bears all responsibility to ensure a vehicle is safe for the road, and meets present applicable standards.

If you buy a used car seat at a garage sale, it's used, and old. It's sold as is, it's use is the purchasers responsibility.

Very sensible responses! :smile: