The death of personal responsibility

JLM

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The long and short of it is, there is no point in having a government body trying to keep our kids alive if we bind and gag them from doing their job. Kids die because of crap passed off to save a buck. Expired car seats, car seats that have been in accidents, cribs that no longer meet code...products people have deemed unfit for their own children but have no qualms about selling to someone else's. Buyer beware only goes so far when it comes to children.

There are, btw, simple ways of dealing with selling things that the gov. has deemed are unsafe (car seats do not apply, those are illegal to sell or trade no matter what)

"For doll use only, deemed unsafe for children by Health Canada" is one of the simplest. Feel free to buy it, I've made you aware it's unsafe.

The burning question is "did the car seat save the child from injury or death"? If not it should definitely be jettisoned.
 

karrie

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The burning question is "did the car seat save the child from injury or death"? If not it should definitely be jettisoned.

Any car seat that has been in an accident is now no longer safe for use. The plastic isn't designed for repeated impacts. There can be faults and damage that will prevent it saving the NEXT child from injury. Just like any expired seat is no longer safe for use, because despite looking fine, the plastic, straps, and buckles may be degraded.
 

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Any car seat that has been in an accident is now no longer safe for use. The plastic isn't designed for repeated impacts. There can be faults and damage that will prevent it saving the NEXT child from injury. Just like any expired seat is no longer safe for use, because despite looking fine, the plastic, straps, and buckles may be degraded.

I wonder if one can make a couple changes to the laws to handle this scenario.

1. Imprint an expiry date on the car seat. Much like milk or eggs, the seat is invalid and not resellable after a certain date. I don't know how long the seat has been on WalMart shelves either.
2. Add a jelly pack or something that will break upon imact. Make it illegal to sell a car seat without this jelly pack or whatever intact.

As a buyer, they should also not accept anything which is expired or with a damaged jelly pack.
 

karrie

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I wonder if one can make a couple changes to the laws to handle this scenario.

1. Imprint an expiry date on the car seat. Much like milk or eggs, the seat is invalid and not resellable after a certain date. I don't know how long the seat has been on WalMart shelves either.
2. Add a jelly pack or something that will break upon imact. Make it illegal to sell a car seat without this jelly pack or whatever intact.

As a buyer, they should also not accept anything which is expired or with a damaged jelly pack.

Car seats already have an expiry date printed on them that does exactly what you're discussing.

The problem with a gel pack idea is that with all the moving around mothers do with these seats, I could easily foresee the pack getting smashed on a shopping cart, etc.

personally, I don't see a problem with Health Canada expecting people who are profiting off the sale of items, to follow the laws that they have put in place.

For a more comprehensive list of what not to sell (or what not to buy, for you avid garage salers), here's the HC website.
 

JLM

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One problem I can see is what constitutes an accident? Hitting another car's bumper at 3 mph in a parking lot? I know that is ridiculous but WHERE do you draw the line?
 

karrie

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One problem I can see is what constitutes an accident? Hitting another car's bumper at 3 mph in a parking lot? I know that is ridiculous but WHERE do you draw the line?

Generally speaking, if it requires emergency responders, they will tell you if you need to chuck the seat. If it doesn't require emergency responders, it wasn't much worse than slamming the seat into a shopping cart.
 

JLM

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Yep, there might be. Pitch your idea to a manufacturer, you never know.

Possibly pretty haphazard in that there may be a slight chance it wouldn't break in a serious accident. Another test would be.... if there's blood on the seat it's not fit for resale. :smile:
 

karrie

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Do you think one would do it without force of law?

Heck yeah. Manufacturers already use 'tattle tales' on shipping packages, that will tell you any manner of things about the package... if it was tipped, if it was dropped, even the specifics of how hard it was dropped. If a manufacturer could put a tattle tale on a car seat that would make it easier for you to see you needed a new one, they'd be on that like white on rice.
 

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One problem I can see is what constitutes an accident? Hitting another car's bumper at 3 mph in a parking lot? I know that is ridiculous but WHERE do you draw the line?

The makers of the car seat would know how much stress the car seat could take. They could make the the jelly pack withstand that amount of stress and no more, no less.
 

JLM

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Heck yeah. Manufacturers already use 'tattle tales' on shipping packages, that will tell you any manner of things about the package... if it was tipped, if it was dropped, even the specifics of how hard it was dropped. If a manufacturer could put a tattle tale on a car seat that would make it easier for you to see you needed a new one, they'd be on that like white on rice.

"White on rice".......... that's a new one to me!!!!!!! Have I led a sheltered life? :lol:
 

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Last weekend my wife picked up a booster seat from a garage sale. The seat seemed reasonable and the price was $5.00.
After reading this topic I had a quick look at the seat and I was relieved to see a CSA label on it. I don't know when CSA started
labeling car seats but I think it is a good indication that the thing will probably be reliable.
 

JLM

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Last weekend my wife picked up a booster seat from a garage sale. The seat seemed reasonable and the price was $5.00.
After reading this topic I had a quick look at the seat and I was relieved to see a CSA label on it. I don't know when CSA started
labeling car seats but I think it is a good indication that the thing will probably be reliable.

Yep, you're probably safe there.