The Conservative Culture Of Deceit

AnnaG

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It kind of amuses me that in spite of showing a list of accomplishments by Harpythe supporters of the Hypogrits always seem to be under the impression that the guy hasn't done ANYTHING good. And that's just straight bilgewater. Yet the supporters of the Cons seem to admit that the Hypogrits aren't ALL bad. So it seems to me that Con supporters are a bit more reasonable that the Hypogrit supporters. It's funny. Especially since I view both parties as being similar and neither is all good or all bad. So this bolsters my opinion that in the political wisdom sense, most Canadians are buffoons.
 

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The conservative 'vision' only works in the isolation chamber 'our' PM has turned the PMO into.

What do you want to bet if the lights were turned on in the room-metaphorically speaking-there would would be cockroaches running for cover everywhere.
hahahahahah :cool:
 

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The Conservative Culture Of Deceit

With the Afghan detainees and the Jaffer fiasco the Conservative brand is being shaken to its core.

The Conservative MPs are working hard to fix the cracks in their armour and their bubble gum can only do so much.

The Conservatives are lashing out at the media that give them negative exposure.

Evan Solomen of CBC’s Power and Politics on Thursday stepped on a political minefield when he interviewed EKOS president Frank Graves who operates a research company to get the latest polls of party standings

Frank suggested that the Liberal party should invoke a cultural war, then the proverbial sh!t hit the fan and the president of the Conservative party of Canada sent a letter to the CBC questioning their impartiality.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tory+party+president+questions+impartiality+letter/2944381/story.html

On Friday the day after the CBC incident Mr. Bev Shipley a Conservative of Lambton—Kent—Middlesex rose in member’s statement and said

“Mr. Speaker, Frank Graves, the Ekos pollster, is providing interesting advice to the Liberal leader and he is taking it. Graves, who also just happens to be the CBC's pollster of record, has publicly said that the Liberals should: “Stop worrying about the west...No need to fear of polarizing the debate...invoke a culture war. Cosmopolitanism versus parochialism...tolerance versus racism and homophobia, democracy versus autocracy. If the cranky old men in Alberta do not like it, too bad”.

“This is unbelievable and highly offensive that the CBC pollster is providing political advice to the Liberal Party to start a cultural war. Graves is hired by the CBC to poll and comment on party politics. He has been a major donor to the Liberal Party; however, he is providing clear and offensive messaging advice to the Liberals.”

For the CBC, this is a clear conflict of interest.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=40&Ses=3&DocId=4461089#SOB-3116227

If the Stephen Harper’s party can’t shake the label of “The Conservative Culture Of Deceit” they are doomed as a party and will have no hope of ever gaining majority status.


Just when you think the Conservatives will get a majority another skeleton falls out of their closet.

Why is it necessary to incessantly start new threads on the corruptness of politicians?
Let's just have one thread covering the corruptness and skulduggery inherent in ALL political parties. NO party is more guilty or innocent than any other party. They are all tarred with the same brush. Just like there's brown rats and white rats.
 

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Why is it necessary to incessantly start new threads on the corruptness of politicians?
Let's just have one thread covering the corruptness and skulduggery inherent in ALL political parties. NO party is more guilty or innocent than any other party. They are all tarred with the same brush. Just like there's brown rats and white rats.

This particular brand of propaganda that points to the errors of others in order to cover its own ass must have something worth hiding. What I find more amusing are the little minds with too much time who paint partisan titles on human faults.
 

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This particular brand of propaganda that points to the errors of others in order to cover its own ass must have something worth hiding. What I find more amusing are the little minds with too much time who paint partisan titles on human faults.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

QUITE SO- Lone Wolf.
 

AnnaG

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The conservative 'vision' only works in the isolation chamber 'our' PM has turned the PMO into.

What do you want to bet if the lights were turned on in the room-metaphorically speaking-there would would be cockroaches running for cover everywhere.
Yup. Those'd be the Gliberals who were trying to feed off Con crumbs. :D
 

wulfie68

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As for your long list of problems the Conservative party hasn't been in majority power for a long time and as a minority government have been restricted at what they can do

I always laugh when I see Liberal Party drones spit this excuse out: and just how many majorities did Martin win? In fairness he DID have a couple months of majority that he used to gear up for an election he triggered before the PC/Reform merger could be fully realized, with policy conventions and the like, but most of his tenure was as a Minority Government PM. And aside from that point, is Liberalman really saying that a majority excuses corruption and mismanagement?

I've said before Harper isn't my favorite PM, just the best of the bunch available. I don't think he's done a flawless job but he hasn't been that bad, especially compared to Martin and Chretien before him.
 

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I always laugh when I see Liberal Party drones spit this excuse out: and just how many majorities did Martin win? In fairness he DID have a couple months of majority that he used to gear up for an election he triggered before the PC/Reform merger could be fully realized, with policy conventions and the like, but most of his tenure was as a Minority Government PM. And aside from that point, is Liberalman really saying that a majority excuses corruption and mismanagement?

I've said before Harper isn't my favorite PM, just the best of the bunch available. I don't think he's done a flawless job but he hasn't been that bad, especially compared to Martin and Chretien before him.


You've got it nailed pretty close- I think there are three things to consider...............one Harper has made any major screwups lately..........two. no other party has a leader who could out perform Harper and three we can't afford another election, especially one that would just return another minority Gov't.
 

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is Liberalman really saying that a majority excuses corruption and mismanagement?

I am not saying that nothing excuses corruption and mismanagement and that's why the political parties that run the government are voted out so the next government can be formed by a better party until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar then at the next election they are voted out and the old party comes back in and one can only hope that they have learned their lesson in the opposition benches.

The Liberal of Canada got a majority for three terms and could have gotten a fourth majority but they ran into the same problem the Reforms had where the party wanted to get rid of the old leader which was Preston Manning and in the Liberal's case was Jean Chretien.

Unfortunately for the Liberal party they picked Paul Martin to lead the party the same guy the magazine The Economist that called him Mr. Dithers.

The Conservative broke a lot of their promises and are giving more money to their ridings that elected them and a perfect example is statements by the members this past week;

Mrs. Bonnie Crombie from Mississauga—Streetsville
Mr. Speaker, the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada was formed in Toronto on April 26, 1860. The regiment has been standing on guard for 150 years.


The Toronto branch is the oldest regiment of its kind, in fact, older than Confederation itself. This week, the regiment's colonel-in-chief, Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra, was supposed to be the guest of honour to commemorate this remarkable accomplishment in Victoria, Calgary and the biggest gala in Toronto. Unfortunately, the volcanic ash disaster hindered her flight plans.


I am sure all members will join me in wishing the Queen's Own Rifles a happy 150th and much continued success.


Now the bad news. The Queen's Own Rifles Toronto branch asked Veterans Affairs for financial assistance for its events in Toronto. Its request was denied. Today I learned that Calgary received money for its commemoration while the Toronto branch did not.


The Conservatives will honour requests from western Canada while the same requests from Toronto fall on deaf ears and that is not fair. It is too bad the Conservatives ignore pleas from the Toronto veterans.


Regardless of the Conservatives' failure to act, I know the Queen's Own Rifles will continue to stand on guard and I wish them congratulations and a happy 150th.


With the Afghan detainee crises and the Jaffer affair and I just heard that the Conservative party closed their main office in Quebec (I am still trying to verify that story), we can't forget this is a Conservative minority what more stuff is the Conservative party going to hide if they somehow did get the majority and would you really trust the Conservatives.

Now I will get accused of another partisan post but the government that you vote in controls your life there is no impeachment options that I know of so your life is in their hands.

Just when you think the Conservative will get a majority another skeleton falls out of their closet.
 
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AnnaG

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I always laugh when I see Liberal Party drones spit this excuse out: and just how many majorities did Martin win? In fairness he DID have a couple months of majority that he used to gear up for an election he triggered before the PC/Reform merger could be fully realized, with policy conventions and the like, but most of his tenure was as a Minority Government PM. And aside from that point, is Liberalman really saying that a majority excuses corruption and mismanagement?
I think Liberalman is just parroting Joey. He and Soc are twins in that respect.

I've said before Harper isn't my favorite PM, just the best of the bunch available. I don't think he's done a flawless job but he hasn't been that bad, especially compared to Martin and Chretien before him.
 

AnnaG

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I am not saying that nothing excuses corruption and mismanagement and that's why the political parties that run the government are voted out so the next government can be formed by a better party until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar then at the next election they are voted out and the old party comes back in and one can only hope that they have learned their lesson in the opposition benches.

The Liberal of Canada got a majority for three terms and could have gotten a fourth majority but they ran into the same problem the Reforms had where the party wanted to get rid of the old leader which was Preston Manning and in the Liberal's case was Jean Chretien.

Unfortunately for the Liberal party they picked Paul Martin to lead the party the same guy the magazine The Economist that called him Mr. Dithers.
So they aren't re-elected because they are old or because they waffle on issues and not because they get caught at corruption and ineptitude? WOW! That's deep.
 

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So they aren't re-elected because they are old or because they waffle on issues and not because they get caught at corruption and ineptitude? WOW! That's deep.

They get re-elected because voters like them
 

El Barto

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If it's not the Liberals then it's the Conservatives. If not the Conservatives then it's the Liberals :roll:
Give us a third paty in power and they too will be the same ..! It's a POLITICAL NORM FFS !