The Atheists' Case for Fighting Poverty

EagleSmack

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Not that I know of. Could you give me a little warning before you change subjects? I'm getting whiplash here.

We were talking about atheists and morality, until you apparently decided we were talking about the propaganda tactics of some atheists.

Do I need to follow you around and point out when you stray from a topic.

Stop being ridiculous.

At any rate... the new tactic of atheists... pushing morality without God dogma is ... eye rolling.
 

EagleSmack

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Wow. How did you dig that up so fast?

I mean, I'm flattered, really.

I typed in "napalm" in the search engine.

Badda-Bing!



Since we have drifted off topic, Eagle are you a marine?

Once a Marine... Always a Marine.

Yes... but no longer on active duty.
 

mentalfloss

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Mental, I see you have metnioned Christ's name. Were you praying or misusing His name?

The way of the sluggard is blocked with thorns, but the path of the upright is a highway.

The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Okay all of this is nice and something but do you have any evidence that a belief in God is absolutely necessary to be a morally good person?
 

cj44

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I typed in "napalm" in the search engine.

Badda-Bing!





Once a Marine... Always a Marine.

Yes... but no longer on active duty.
Indeed!
Thank you for your service.

Okay all of this is nice and something but do you have any evidence that a belief in God is absolutely necessary to be a morally good person?
Yes. And is that the end game? To be a morally good person?
 

cj44

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It's part of this discussion.

So you need to believe in God to be a good person then?
I find that believing in God (as He is found in both Old & New Testaments) defines a relationship with one's Creator. Knowing God does benefit a person and better equip them for good works. Not believing in God does not prevent atheists, agnostics, and otherwise specified spiritualists from doing good. I do not find that athiests or any other particular (religious or non religious) group are necessarily better equipped to resolve the issue of poverty. Rather, put in charge someone who understands and does not despise capitialism/supply-demand economics. Though, it would certainly be desired for such a person to be concerned and care for the "widow and orphan." Also, such a person must understand that socialism is poison and sure death.
 

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I find that believing in God (as He is found in both Old & New Testaments) defines a relationship with one's Creator. Knowing God does benefit a person and better equip them for good works. Not believing in God does not prevent atheists, agnostics, and otherwise specified spiritualists from doing good. I do not find that athiests or any other particular (religious or non religious) group are necessarily better equipped to resolve the issue of poverty. Rather, put in charge someone who understands and does not despise capitialism/supply-demand economics. Though, it would certainly be desired for such a person to be concerned and care for the "widow and orphan." Also, such a person must understand that socialism is poison and sure death.
How would you define "socialism?"
 

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I find that believing in God (as He is found in both Old & New Testaments) defines a relationship with one's Creator. Knowing God does benefit a person and better equip them for good works. Not believing in God does not prevent atheists, agnostics, and otherwise specified spiritualists from doing good. I do not find that athiests or any other particular (religious or non religious) group are necessarily better equipped to resolve the issue of poverty. Rather, put in charge someone who understands and does not despise capitialism/supply-demand economics. Though, it would certainly be desired for such a person to be concerned and care for the "widow and orphan." Also, such a person must understand that socialism is poison and sure death.



Ummm.... You might want to take up that whole 'socialism is death' thing with the pope. :lol:
 

cj44

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How would you define "socialism?"
Well, i suppose if we are going to get all particular - socialism is government ownership of buisness/industries rather ownership by private citizens. I would go beyond that definition to include the poison of entitlements, freebies, hand-outs. Don't hear what I am not saying. I do think SOME social services need to be in place for the "less fortunate". As for the pope - he is WAY OFF COURSE in SOME regards. For any further discussion on the Pope I will have to dig up his discourse on capitalism - it was quite a train wreck. Does he prefer the Stalin approach? Good Grief! Actually, if I recall the media focused mostly on his "captialism is tyranny" remark. There was more content to his thought than that.
 

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So the head minister of your belief institution doesn't accurately represent the moral compass of that institution?

Do you realize how screwed up that sounds?
 

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So the head minister of your belief institution doesn't accurately represent the moral compass of that institution?

Do you realize how screwed up that seems?

People having faith really bothers you doesn't it?

Sorry if you believe there is no hope and nothing but blackness awaits you in the end.
 

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Capitalism is tyranny, particularly in the US. In socialism, business is owned by the people, not the government. You are thinking of communism, which is a bastardized form of socialism and was turned into a totalitarian government by lunatics like Lennon and Mao.Look to Sweden and Norway if you want to see how socialism works.
 

cj44

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Capitalism is tyranny, particularly in the US. In socialism, business is owned by the people, not the government. You are thinking of communism, which is a bastardized form of socialism and was turned into a totalitarian government by lunatics like Lennon and Mao.Look to Sweden and Norway if you want to see how socialism works.
My dear Clliffy, you know not what you speak. Capitalism Good. Communism and Socialism and their relations BAD.

So the head minister of your belief institution doesn't accurately represent the moral compass of that institution?

Do you realize how screwed up that sounds?
Head Minister of my Belief????? WHAT???? WHO????? Mental, that is crazy talk.