The astronomers mistake about Jupiter

Dexter Sinister

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No it's because of the gravitational pull of the Moon.
Actually old chap, I regret to inform you that Torch light is right about this one, it's the centrifugal effect of the Earth's rotation that causes the equatorial bulge, the tidal bulge is a small perturbation on top of that.
 

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Actually old chap, I regret to inform you that Torch light is right about this one, it's the centrifugal effect of the Earth's rotation that causes the equatorial bulge, the tidal bulge is a small perturbation on top of that.

On the side of Earth facing the Moon the bulge is caused by the Moon's gravitational pull. On the far side facing away from the Moon it's caused by centrifugal force (which isn't actually a real force like gravity is. It's known as a fictional force).
 

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On the side of Earth facing the Moon the bulge is caused by the Moon's gravitational pull. On the far side facing away from the Moon it's caused by centrifugal force (which isn't actually a real force like gravity is. It's known as a fictional force).
You (and I previously) were under the influence of textbooks; most of their knowledge is true, but not everything in textbooks is true.
E.g. the influence of Moon: Moon is under the influence and control of Earth and its gravity, but Earth is not influenced by Moon.
Read and understand and realize here:
The mistake of Astronomers about the tide
 

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Show us a photo, even if it's from someone's telescopes in their back garden.
Do you think that anyone may have such a photo of the Jupiter surface from a telescope in the back garden?
Even NASA cannot give you such a picture.
Therefore, you should know that most of their knowledge is only by deduction and guessing and they so are liable to many mistakes.
For this reason, we should not take every word they say about such far planets like Jupiter as certain and infallible.
E.g. Mars is far from us.. the journey of the probe from Earth to Mars takes many months when Mars is nearer to Earth.. but there have been much-accumulating knowledge about it, and many probes have been sent there.. and in spite, astronomers have much defect and wrong calculations and data concerning this planet.
 
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Torch light

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I have this picture of Jupiter from NASA:

 

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Moon is under the influence and control of Earth and its gravity, but Earth is not influenced by Moon.
Read and understand and realize here:
The mistake of Astronomers about the tide
So you're rejecting Newton's Laws of Motion in favour of religion-based puffery? The Moon and the Earth have significant influences on each other, the "facts" and logic offered at that link you provided are completely wrong.
 

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All that land appears to be moving...


This is a modified video, and is not real neither in sound nor in picture.
This is a faraway planet. They could not see other than some of its external atmosphere, and they admit it: it is its atmosphere which of course lies above its ground.
So it is very weird: your insisting on the absence of ground for this large planet!
 

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So you're rejecting Newton's Laws of Motion in favour of religion-based puffery? The Moon and the Earth have significant influences on each other, the "facts" and logic offered at that link you provided are completely wrong.
You are still bound to your old textbooks, and cannot consider any other idea or topic. And your non-Quranic programs blind you from seeing new knowledge, especially when related to the Quran: the word of God.
 

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On the contrary, I see the interpreter gave many arguments: about the frequency of tides and ebbs, and about the rain water: why doesn't it go towards or at least influenced by Moon?
So I do not ignore the scientist Newton, but to every time its knowledge level, and it will not be reasonable to stick to this or that scientist at all times when truth is evident of other concepts.
And you will keep like the ancient and their sticking to their scientists of their time.
 

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This is a faraway planet. They could not see other than some of its external atmosphere, and they admit it: it is its atmosphere which of course lies above its ground.
So it is very weird: your insisting on the absence of ground for this large planet!

Jupiter was discovered to be a gas giant in 1690 when Italian astronomer Cassini discovered it experiences differential rotation.
 

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On the contrary, I see the interpreter gave many arguments: about the frequency of tides and ebbs, and about the rain water: why doesn't it go towards or at least influenced by Moon?
So I do not ignore the scientist Newton, but to every time its knowledge level, and it will not be reasonable to stick to this or that scientist at all times when truth is evident of other concepts.
And you will keep like the ancient and their sticking to their scientists of their time.

If you're talking about puddles: Newton stated that the force of gravitational attraction is directly proportional to the product of the masses of two interacting bodies and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them (ruling out the gravity constant). Thus we have the formula F=G x m1. m2 / r(squared)

Using the formula, an average sized puddle would have a gravitational force from the Moon acting on it of just 0.0003 Newtons, so way too small to cause tides and bulging in puddles.
 

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On the contrary, I see the interpreter gave many arguments: about the frequency of tides and ebbs...
All of them wrong, it's the moon and to a lesser extent the sun that cause the tides. By your own admission, Al Hilly had no formal education, which is one explanation for why he got so much wrong. There's no similar explanation for you, with all the resources of the Internet available to you, being so wrong about so much. You *are* educated, or claim to be, at least by whatever standards apply in the Islamic theocracy you appear to live in.
, and about the rain water: why doesn't it go towards or at least influenced by Moon?
It is influenced by the moon, just not very much. It's influenced by you standing in it too, by a very tiny but calculable amount.
 

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All of them wrong,
This only is your insisting.
it's the moon and to a lesser extent the sun that cause the tides.
How can the seawater be under the influence of the Moon, while Earth is nearer to the seawater and Earth has the big gravity?
By your own admission, Al Hilly had no formal education, which is one explanation for why he got so much wrong.
If he gets no formal education, then he explains more correct than those having the formal education... what will this indicate: inspiration by God giving him more understanding than others.
Of course you disbelievers and atheists will not admit it and will keep to your formal learning without minding and realizing.
There's no similar explanation for you, with all the resources of the Internet available to you, being so wrong about so much. You *are* educated, or claim to be, at least by whatever standards apply in the Islamic theocracy you appear to live in.
This is what you think of yourself to be better than me .... in the Quran, the disbelievers boast to believers that they have a better livelihood.
While I am in a good condition and praise and thanks to God Most Merciful Who taught and provided for me.
It is influenced by the moon, just not very much. It's influenced by you standing in it too, by a very tiny but calculable amount.
I have just replied to this.