The astronomers mistake about Jupiter

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There was a theory that the small rocky worlds in our Solar System formed closer to the Sun because the proto-planetary disc during the birth of the Solar System contained heavier gases and silicates closer to the Sun, whereas lighter gases were found further from the Sun, producing the four has giants. But this theory has been largely discredited.
This is not the sure science; it is the postulation and theories, not facts.
 

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The Swedish scientists were wrong because they compared the Asteroid Belt without considering it had been a planet in this orbit that had been broken up to form the present Asteroids in this site.
The size of the broken planet is bigger than Mars and smaller than Jupiter.
The mistake of Astronomers about the Asteroids 1

The Asteroid Belt was never a planet. Those billions of chunks of rock never accreted into a planet because the gravitational pull of Jupiter stopped them from doing so.
 

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But science shows that not to be the case. There are other planetary systems that we have discovered where the larger planets, around the size of Jupiter or even larger, are very close to their star.

What science shows that?
Moreover, we have not agreed upon the planets of our solar system; what about the far solar systems!?
 

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The balls would come closer to the finger if you let the balls dangle and not spin them, but it would be Earth's gravity acting on the balls and not your finger's much much weaker gravity.

In the Solar System the planets are forced inwards towards the Sun, which is the OPPOSITE to your spinning balls of wool. Your experiment with the wool would only be accurate if the rotating planets around the Sun displayed centrifugal force, which they don't.
So you want to give you an example: to bring you the sun and its gravitational force, and the planets with their gravity!!? It is only an example.
 

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Who cares about science when you have a pedophile prophet to give you talking points.

It's like those Flat Earthers who ignore science and just believe everything they heard on dodgy YouTube videos.
 

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The Asteroid Belt was never a planet. Those billions of chunks of rock never accreted into a planet because the gravitational pull of Jupiter stopped them from doing so.
The billions of chunks of rock are the result of the burst up planet, not that the chunks will form a planet.

Quran 67: 16, which means:
(Do you [people] feel secure that [God] Who is in heaven may not cleave the earth with you, [as did He cleave another earth with its people before you], so that it then [will] violently heave?)

The interpretation: Have you [people] taken security from the punishment and might of God? Aren’t you afraid that He may destroy your Earth, as had He destroyed inhabited earth before you, then the pieces of that destroyed planet started to swim and move about, i.e. swim in the space, and none [of its inhabitants] survived alive, and as such will your earth be if He breaks it up.

 
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So you want to give you an example: to bring you the sun and its gravitational force, and the planets with their gravity!!? It is only an example.

If centrifugal force was at play, like your spinning balls of wool, the planets would get noticeably further away from the Sun each year. Over, say, a century the planets would be much much further away from the Sun than a century previously. But this isn't happening. There's hardly any movement away from the Sun at all.

The planets ARE moving further away from the Sun each year, but it's almost imperceptible and it's not centrifugal force like your balls of wool: each planet, including Earth, moves 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year - 0.00000000001% the Earth-Sun distance. And the reason for that is not like your spinning balls but due to the Sun's mass - every year, the Sun loses 4.7 million tons of matter. That means that over its 4.5 billion years of life so far, the Sun has lost 0.03% of its original mass - comparable to the mass of Saturn. So with the Sun becoming less massive each year its gravitational pull is becoming weaker each year, causing the planets to move 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year.
 

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The billions of chunks of rock are the result of the burst up planet, not that the chunks will form a planet.

Quran 67: 16, which means:
(Do you [people] feel secure that [God] Who is in heaven may not cleave the earth with you, [as did He cleave another earth with its people before you], so that it then [will] violently heave?)

The interpretation: Have you [people] taken security from the punishment and might of God? Aren’t you afraid that He may destroy your Earth, as had He destroyed inhabited earth before you, then the pieces of that destroyed planet started to swim and move about, i.e. swim in the space, and none [of its inhabitants] survived alive, and as such will your earth be if He breaks it up.


According to the Titius-Bode Law, it was once thought that the Asteroid Belt is the remnants of a destroyed planet, which was named Phaeton.

The Titius-Bode Law stipulates that each planet should be twice further out from the Sun as the one before. This law predicted the orbits of Ceres (part of the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter) and Uranus but failed in predicting Neptune's orbit (in fact, Pluto is where Neptune should be according to this law).


Modern scientific analysis has found that the bodies of the Asteroid Belt are make of wildly differing chemical compositions and that the entire mass of the Asteroid Belt is just 4% the mass of the Moon - so these don't really support the theory that the Asteroid Belt is the remnants of a planet.
 
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According to the Titius-Bode Law, it was once thought that the Asteroid Belt is the remnants of a destroyed planet, which was named Phaeton.

The Titius-Bode Law stipulates that each planet should be twice further out from the Sun as the one before. This law predicted the orbits of Ceres (part of the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter) and Uranus but failed in predicting Neptune's orbit (in fact, Pluto is where Neptune should be according to this law).


Modern scientific analysis has found that the bodies of the Asteroid Belt are make of wildly differing chemical compositions and that the entire mass of the Asteroid Belt is just 4% the mass of the Moon - so these don't really support the theory that the Asteroid Belt is the remnants of a planet.
Galileo as I remember thought of a missing planet in the position of the Asteroid Belt.

Anyhow, the chemical difference of the asteroids in this location cannot contradict the destroyed planet; because even on Earth, the minerals are not distributed evenly, so that you see gold in this country, and iron in another location, and copper in some other state. So if Earth is broken up, its parts will not be homogenous in components. The same was true about that broken-up planet: Phaeton.
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Moreover, the entire mass of the asteroids in this Asteroid Belt should be less than the mass of the broken-up planet: because some of its parts went to Mars and Jupiter.
N.B. the southern hemisphere of Mars is full of rocks: were they some meteorites of the remnant of that destroyed planet?
The mistake of Astronomers about the Asteroids 1
 
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If centrifugal force was at play, like your spinning balls of wool, the planets would get noticeably further away from the Sun each year. Over, say, a century the planets would be much much further away from the Sun than a century previously. But this isn't happening. There's hardly any movement away from the Sun at all.
balls of wood not wool.
Anyhow, the planets will not go away because of the gravity of the Sun.
It means: 2 powers are working: the gravity of the sun to pull the planets to itself. and the centrifugal force repels the planets away from the sun.
 

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The planets ARE moving further away from the Sun each year, but it's almost imperceptible and it's not centrifugal force like your balls of wool: each planet, including Earth, moves 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year - 0.00000000001% the Earth-Sun distance. And the reason for that is not like your spinning balls but due to the Sun's mass - every year, the Sun loses 4.7 million tons of matter. That means that over its 4.5 billion years of life so far, the Sun has lost 0.03% of its original mass - comparable to the mass of Saturn. So with the Sun becoming less massive each year its gravitational pull is becoming weaker each year, causing the planets to move 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year.
The planets are governed by two factors:
1- the central heat of the planet itself.
2- the heat of the sun or its energy leading to its tremendous gravity.

So the hotter the planet is the farther will it be away from the sun, while the colder the planet the closer will it be to the sun.

How can we believe the planets as a whole will get away from the sun by 15 cm each year? because such 15 cm is almost negligible and cannot be detected practically.

In fact, the planets are losing their central heat, and becoming colder: because of volcanic eruption and the emission of their heat by time.

The other factor is the increase in the size of the planets by the falling down of the celestial dust and rocks: it is tremendous in amount. More dust and rocks are chased by the sun by time.
This leads to increasing the size of the planets and the sun.
Another factor is the loss of heat of the planets (and the sun) will lead to the contraction of each planet and the sun by time.

I derive all this from the book The Universe and the Quran by Mohammed-Ali Hasan Al-Hilly, who did not graduate at any school; only he knew reading and writing Arabic, but he had his inspiration by God.
And see also this subject in this book:
why the planet is near or far from the sun
 
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In fact, the planets are getting nearer to the Sun; this on Earth has led to the increase in general heat all over the world: the Global Warmth.
The earth approaches the sun

So the important factor of Global Warmth is the decrease in the distance of the Earth from the Sun, by the passing of years and time.
 
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balls of wood not wool.
Anyhow, the planets will not go away because of the gravity of the Sun.
It means: 2 powers are working: the gravity of the sun to pull the planets to itself. and the centrifugal force repels the planets away from the sun.

There is no centrifugal force because the planets are spinning and they wouldn't be able to spin if they were under centrifugal force.

The gravity of the Sun is getting weaker each year because it loses 4.7 million tons of mass each year causing each planet to move 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year.
 

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There is no centrifugal force because the planets are spinning and they wouldn't be able to spin if they were under centrifugal force.

The gravity of the Sun is getting weaker each year because it loses 4.7 million tons of mass each year causing each planet to move 15 centimetres away from the Sun each year.

The spinning of the planet is something else than the centrifugal force: the spinning is because of the central heat of the planet making it spin around itself.
The sun's gravity is getting weaker by time because the sun getting colder by time... at the same time the planets are losing heat also and so they are more under the influence of the sun's gravity.
The centrifugal force is because of the Sun itself spinning around itself and so repelling the planets away, while its gravity force draws the planets to itself.
Therefore, in this case, the planets should get nearer to the Sun by time: because relatively the loss of the central heat of the planet is faster than the sun getting colder over time.
And as much the object is small, the more quickly it loses its central heat: like Mercury lost its central heat before the rest of the planets, then Venus lost it, then the turn will be for Earth to lose its central heat by volcano eruptions and emission of its heat.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#How_the_Planets_Will_Standstill
 
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So the hotter the planet is the farther will it be away from the sun, while the colder the planet the closer will it be to the sun.

What?

How can we believe the planets as a whole will get away from the sun by 15 cm each year? because such 15 cm is almost negligible and cannot be detected practically.

I made a mistake. It's not 15 centimetres a year. It's 1.5 centimetres a year.

The Sun outputs energy, which we observe, which allows us to calculate the rate of mass loss via Einstein’s E = mc2.

The mass of the Sun, along with the orbital parameters of our planets, determines the path and shape of how they revolve around the Sun.

If we change that mass, the orbits change by an easily-calculable amount, even using straightforward Newtonian physics.

And when we do those calculations, we find that the Earth migrates away from the Sun at ~1.5 centimeters per year.

 

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The spinning of the planet is something else than the centrifugal force: the spinning is because of the central heat of the planet making it spin around itself.
The sun's gravity is getting weaker by time because the sun getting colder by time... at the same time the planets are losing heat also and so they are more under the influence of the sun's gravity.
The centrifugal force is because of the Sun itself spinning around itself and so repelling the planets away, while its gravity force draws the planets to itself.
Therefore, in this case, the planets should get nearer to the Sun by time: because relatively the loss of the central heat of the planet is faster than the sun getting colder over time.
And as much the object is small, the more quickly it loses its central heat: like Mercury lost its central heat before the rest of the planets, then Venus lost it, then the turn will be for Earth to lose its central heat by volcano eruptions and emission of its heat.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#How_the_Planets_Will_Standstill

The planets spin because the proto-planetary disc around the infant Sun was spinning. As the disc collapsed and formed clumps and started to form the planets those clumps started to spin faster due to conservation of angular momentum - similar to a spinning ballerina spins faster when she pulls her arms close to herself - as they became planets. The planets keep spinning today because of inertia - basically there is nothing (like friction) to slow them down.

All planets in our Solar System spin in a prograde motion, except Venus and Uranus, which spin in a retrograde motion. Uranus is lying on its side - its axis of spin is parallel to the plane of the Solar System. On Venus and Uranus, the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east.
 
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What?

This is in reply to my post:
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So the hotter the planet is the farther will it be away from the sun, while the colder the planet the closer will it be to the sun.
The more the planet's core is hot, the more it will get away from the sun, and the colder it is the more it will be nearer to the Sun.
This is for every planet including the Earth also.
The hot object attracts the cold one more than the hot one.
E.g. when the Earth becomes colder it will get nearer to the Sun: this is the reason for the Global Warmth (more than it is the glasshouse gases.)

why the planet is near or far from the sun
 

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The planets spin because the proto-planetary disc around the infant Sun was spinning. As the disc collapsed and formed clumps and started to form the planets those clumps started to spin faster due to conservation of angular momentum - similar to a spinning ballerina spins faster when she pulls her arms close to herself - as they became planets. The planets keep spinning today because of inertia - basically there is nothing (like friction) to slow them down.

This is what they say: only postulations.
Who told you there was such proto-planetary disc.. etc?
 
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