The $8 billion Indian Problem

Hoid

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It has been decided by the the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal that Canada owes the Indians about $8 billion in compensatory damages for the survivors of the federal child welfare programs and/or those denied health care.
The Trudeau government opinion is that the Tribunal finding is an "over reach".
So while agreeing in principle that the federal government owes something to these Indians they are of the opinion it is not in the order of $40,000 each but something along the lines of maybe a tearful apology and maybe a couple of government focus groups.
In the new minority parliament the Liberals can count on the backing of the conservatives. They are on board with not paying $8 billion to Indians.
I would predict that every MP who is not a Liberal or a Conservatives (and probably some who are) will vote against whatever delay/deny/defray tactic is used - but it will pass as will all this jibber jabber about paying Indians $8 billion.

The government cannot be held responsible for it's actions. That wouldn't work at all.
 

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It has been decided by the the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal that Canada owes the Indians about $8 billion in compensatory damages for the survivors of the federal child welfare programs and/or those denied health care.
The Trudeau government opinion is that the Tribunal finding is an "over reach".
So while agreeing in principle that the federal government owes something to these Indians they are of the opinion it is not in the order of $40,000 each but something along the lines of maybe a tearful apology and maybe a couple of government focus groups.
In the new minority parliament the Liberals can count on the backing of the conservatives. They are on board with not paying $8 billion to Indians.
I would predict that every MP who is not a Liberal or a Conservatives (and probably some who are) will vote against whatever delay/deny/defray tactic is used - but it will pass as will all this jibber jabber about paying Indians $8 billion.

The government cannot be held responsible for it's actions. That wouldn't work at all.
:lol::lol: Looks who's suddenly concerned about govt accountability. For 4 years you defended every reprehensible action of Groper and his "team" but now that he's been reduced to a minority, suddenly you're all concerned about govt accountability? Spare us your faux morality. It ain't fooling anyone.
 

Hoid

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I'm trying to think of a single time I have ever defended a reprehensible action by anyone.

Are you sure this isn't about climate change being a hoax and only white people being discriminated against?
 

spilledthebeer

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It has been decided by the the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal that Canada owes the Indians about $8 billion in compensatory damages for the survivors of the federal child welfare programs and/or those denied health care.
The Trudeau government opinion is that the Tribunal finding is an "over reach".
So while agreeing in principle that the federal government owes something to these Indians they are of the opinion it is not in the order of $40,000 each but something along the lines of maybe a tearful apology and maybe a couple of government focus groups.
In the new minority parliament the Liberals can count on the backing of the conservatives. They are on board with not paying $8 billion to Indians.
I would predict that every MP who is not a Liberal or a Conservatives (and probably some who are) will vote against whatever delay/deny/defray tactic is used - but it will pass as will all this jibber jabber about paying Indians $8 billion.

The government cannot be held responsible for it's actions. That wouldn't work at all.




EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS to be DUMPED on natives????????????????????????????


Can you picture the drunken suicidal rampages they would go on.............................


once cash like that was in their hands?????????????????


Or consider what such a payout would do to LIE-beral .........



deficit financing plans.................................


to BUY the support they need to remain in power with a minority govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are NOT focused on natives at this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals ARE FOCUSED on winning over NDPee supporters - most of whom seem to live in cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The chances for survival of the LIE-beral minority JUST SHRANK DRASTICALLY.............................


if they are forced to go ahead with that big a payment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As for natives - they SHOULD BE CAREFUL what they wish for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If they get cash like that handed to them....................................


and piss it away on alcohol and drugs and atv`s and pick up trucks and such............................................


and end up dead broke in a few years...............................


just as depressed as before............................................


then there will be pressure NOT TO WASTE MORE EFFORT ON DRUNKEN ill-educated DORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or maybe Our idiot Boy has decided the best thing to do is to complete the Kinder Morgan pipeline..........................


at tax payer expense...........................................


and GIVE IT TO THE NATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all - the pipeline was about half completed for about $4 billion dollars so another roughly $4 billion should finish it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And voila - give it to natives and they have their $8 billion payout that will generate income for decades to come................................


unless natives screw it up - as they are likely to since clearing brush along the right of way...............................


DOES NOT give training in handling pipeline maintenance...............................


nor provide expertise in selling oil in an international market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The while LIE-beral minority situation is degenerating into a cluster FCUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are in such a mess they cannot even respond to the CN rail strike................................................


without risking a non confidence vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

harrylee

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I love how Hoid feels entitled to call the "Indians", when we have all been told to call them Native Canadians, Indigenous People or whatever........Just sayin'
 

DaSleeper

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I love how Hoid feels entitled to call the "Indians", when we have all been told to call them Native Canadians, Indigenous People or whatever........Just sayin'
Better than calling them "sauvage" in french
I remember about 15 to 20 years ago, I was jamming with a native fiddle player playi ng what is called Métis fiddle style and I was backing him up playing rhythm guitar.
After a few tunes, we took a break for a beer and he tells me "in french" that not too many people can can back up metis fiddle, but you beeing a "Sauvage" helps...
When he saw the "say what?" look on my face.... he said you should check your ancestry, I can see in your eyes that you're a "Sauvage" too" Injun= sauvage <french>
A nephew of mine helped me because he had an ancestry program on his PC
That's when I found out about my maternal grandmother.....

So, maybe Injuns can can call each other Injuns ,If they're good friends.....
:lol:
 

petros

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Better than calling them "sauvage" in french
I remember about 15 to 20 years ago, I was jamming with a native fiddle player playi ng what is called Métis fiddle style and I was backing him up playing rhythm guitar.
After a few tunes, we took a break for a beer and he tells me "in french" that not too many people can can back up metis fiddle, but you beeing a "Sauvage" helps...
When he saw the "say what?" look on my face.... he said you should check your ancestry, I can see in your eyes that you're a "Sauvage" too" Injun= sauvage <french>
A nephew of mine helped me because he had an ancestry program on his PC
That's when I found out about my maternal grandmother.....
So, maybe Injuns can can call each other Injuns ,If they're good friends.....
:lol:
I don't know any who don't call themselves Indians.
 

DaSleeper

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I don't know any who don't call themselves Indians.
A nephew on my wife's side of the her sister married a status Native so that makes my nephew a status indian...
I jokingly call him injun sometimes and he calls me "half breed", so the word Indian is not derogatory ....I don't think....The tone of voice or the way it's said would be
 

harrylee

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It's just like everything else. The "offended" ones are the so called ones that think they know what's best for the rest of us, but they can do as they please, because they are the elite.
 

spilledthebeer

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It's just like everything else. The "offended" ones are the so called ones that think they know what's best for the rest of us, but they can do as they please, because they are the elite.








Here is an article illustrating the depth and range of LIE-beral racist policy and discrimination!!


With some comments of my own in brackets):

Wilson-Raybould's troubling 'lay down your tools' legal directive

By Lorne Gunter

Published: September 17, 2019. Updated: September 17, 2019 5:01 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

Before she demonstrated the guts to defy all efforts to pressure her into making a cozy plea bargain with SNC-Lavalin, I thought Jody Wilson-Raybould had been a bad justice minister.

She had had her successes – the legalization of marijuana and medically assisted dying. But she had also introduced amendments to impaired driving laws that permit police to demand a breath sample even if they have no reason to believe you’ve been drinking. Officers may even come to your home up to two hours after you finish driving and demand you blow.

(In the latest news a Cdn woman HAS BEEN convicted of drunk driving - OVER 2 hours after arriving a a friends house for party -with some drinking involved at the party - in other words she ha been convicted of being DRUNK BEFORE she had any alcohol!! Such is double dealing LIE-beral justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

She also changed the Criminal Code to make it very difficult for men to defend themselves against sexual assault allegations and she changed court procedures so juries can be stacked against non-Indigenous defendants in cases in which the victim is Indigenous.

(We KNOW that some unscrupulous women DELIGHT in making false sex assault claims against men simply because it is a GREAT WAY to harass people they are angry with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(As for the changes to jury selection process - that is a DAMNING ACT that offers up easier EXCUSES to drunken native thieves!! The poisoned LIE-beral changes to the jury selection process makes it easier to get racists and bigots and criminals onto a jury and EXCUSE natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(LIE-berals are upset that there were no natives on the jury that freed farmer Gerald Stanley in the death of Colton Boushie - and there were NO NATIVES SELECTED simply because convicted criminals - of any race are not allowed onto a jury and LIE-beral prosecutors apparently could not find any local natives who had never been convicted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(That there were no natives on the jury speaks loudly of the screwed up lives natives to often live on a typical reserve!! The reserve system has failed utterly and the history of drug and alcohol abuse, chronic unemployment. Family violence and suicide graphically illustrates the damaged mental state of too many natives!! Natives lost and hopeless in the forest seem to feed on each others despair!!!!!!!!!)
Wilson-Raybould’s “progressive” activism came close to reversing the onus in important criminal cases from “innocent until proven guilty” to “guilty until proven innocent.”

(LIE-berals have revealed they are quite willing to COMPROMISE our legal system if it will buy them some desperately needed votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

But the most radical of Wilson-Raybould’s redesigns of the Canadian justice system has received very little attention. During her final days as justice minister in January of this year, Wilson-Raybould sent out a document entitled Directive on Civil Litigation Involving Indigenous Peoples.

Last week, a senior Justice Department lawyer in Alberta asked if I had heard of this document, which he said government lawyers have nicknamed the “lay down your tools” policy.

The directive compels government lawyers to avoid going to court against First Nations and Indigenous organizations whenever possible. Negotiation should be the first option, always.

That’s not a bad policy, per se, although most often the reason Indigenous lawsuits go to court is that taxpayers pay First Nations’ legal bills, even when their lawsuit is against the government. First Nations, therefore, have little incentive to settle.

(“No incentive to settle”? Such a diplomatic UNDERSTATEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The real controversy arises from the instructions Wilson-Raybould gave to justice lawyers when a lawsuit cannot be settled out of court. Where government lawyers cannot come to terms with First Nations, her directive all but prohibits an “adversarial” approach in court. The lawyers who are supposed to be protecting the interests of the nation, of citizens or even of taxpayers are prevented from offering a spirited defence or even any defence at all.

(Sun news media has written in the past about the LIE-beral fondness for sponsoring radical groups who are pushing an agenda that LIE-berals do like but do not dare to publicly support for fear of losing votes!! Such sponsorship of radicals is policy implementation by STEALTH and deception!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

That is why the lawyer who called me refers to this as a laying down of tools. Indigenous organizations are now to go largely unopposed in court.

(Such a policy is sure to make it MUCH HARDER to get the Kinder Morgan pipeline built in the face or radical native opposition!! LIE-berals are being deliberately deceptive when they tell us Kinder Morgan is important to them!! LIE-berals are again simply running out the clock and hoping for a MIRACLE that absolve them of responsibility for either Kinder Morgan or the chaos in the Alberta economy!! And conditions in the general Cdn economy are not at their best either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(LIE-beral thinking on pipelines is SO CONFUSED - it seems not to have occurred to them that increased oil tax revenue would give LIE-berals MORE GRAVY TO PLAY WITH and to buy votes - but such is LIE-beral loathing for the West and for Yankees and white people generally that they are willing to FOREGO that revenue just to SPITE US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Apparently, Justice Canada had been testing out this approach for nearly two years before Wilson-Raybould made it official policy. During that time, internal government memos described this procedure as “decreasing the likelihood of Canada mounting a successful defense to litigation.”

(In other words LIE-berals are seeking - as I have said before - to PARALYSE our parliament and turn it into an out of control spending machine with no OFF SWITCH!! This idea of sabotaging govt legal actions is just one more way that LIE-berals are trying to SCREW US OVER while buying votes from BIGOTS AND HOGS so LIE-berals can cling to power at ANY PRICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Important issues in seminal cases might not even be raised if the Indigenous plaintiffs don’t raise them themselves. And that was seen as unlikely since raising such issues would hurt their chances of winning their cases.

(We need only think of the recent SCANDALS involving LIE-berals sending several Child KILLERS AND HARD CORE CHILD MOLESTERS to native “healing lodges” where life is MUCH MORE PLEASANT THAN JAIL!! Yes - LIE-berals will even stoop to win the support of CHILD MOLESTERS AND CHILD KILLERS - just so long as they CLAIM TO BE NATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The approach was seen by government lawyers as “inconsistent with democratic values and … with upholding the rule of law.” Still, Wilson-Raybould went ahead.

Last week, the Federal Court of Appeal allowed six Indigenous appeals of the Trans Mountain approval to proceed mostly because Ottawa’s lawyers raised no objections, introduced no documents, offered the court no information on the extent of consultations Ottawa had engaged in with over five dozen First Nations communities.

(The reality in this case is that LIE-berals ARE NOT supporting natives re the pipeline- LIE-berals are merely supporting THEIR OWN truth - that they DO INTEND to kill the ENTIRE Cdn oil patch and push the price of oil so HIGH that we will NEVER use any of it in future!! That Alberta will certainly be bankrupted by such action and that Canada will be SEVERELY CRIPPLED is NOT A CONCERN to ever GREEDY and power mad LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The practical effect of Wilson-Raybould’s directive is that a vital pipeline that has been the subject of the most extensive environmental and Indigenous consultations in our history is at risk – again – because government lawyers were forbidden by their political masters from making even basic legal arguments in court.

(Even worse is that Cdn oil is ALREADY being produced under the most stringent environmental laws on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

This is the kind of stupefying thinking that will only get worse if the Liberals are re-elected, even if Wilson-Raybould is not part of their caucus.

(Obviously the reality of the LIE-beral minority govt means LIE-berals have had their hands TIED!! Any action LIE-berals take will rebound to the credit of their idiot cousins the NDPees and Greenies - and LIE-berals are terrified they will be replaced by the idiot cousins in the next election and so the cousins must be thwarted at every turn - thus our parliament is PARALYSED - as LIE-berals run out the clock while waiting for a Miracle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

spilledthebeer

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I love how Hoid feels entitled to call the "Indians", when we have all been told to call them Native Canadians, Indigenous People or whatever........Just sayin'




Well.............THERE IS A PROHIBITION against cursing on this site...............................


so we aint allowed to call radical native extremists by their true earned names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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As for that $2 billion versus $8 billion dollar compensation price tag.........................


it is my guess that LIE-berals have just telegraphed the amount ................................


THEY ARE WILLING.........................


to offer as compensation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hoid

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The "courts" have now determined that the government owes the veterans a billion dollars over sex abuse or some such proggy BS.

I would imagine that also is a massive over reach.

Will Justin be able to count on Scheer to help foil this one too?
 

spilledthebeer

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The "courts" have now determined that the government owes the veterans a billion dollars over sex abuse or some such proggy BS.

I would imagine that also is a massive over reach.

Will Justin be able to count on Scheer to help foil this one too?


LIE-berals have said the cost of compensation is about two billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Other politicians have suggested the real number is closer to six billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cynics and natives have suggested the REAL COST is more


like eight billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have told us they intend to fight the ruling....................................


which suggests LIE-berals have budgeted A MAXIMUM of two billion dollars and thus will screw around killing time........................


till either their low ball offer is accepted ......................................


or the minority govt is put out of its misery and the problem is kicked down the road to a new govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals certainly will not risk a non confidence vote over compensation to some unemployed drunks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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WE need to end this kangaroo human rights court. They seem to be offended by everything and think the cure is a massive money transfer to the self identified aggrieved.
 

spilledthebeer

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WE need to end this kangaroo human rights court. They seem to be offended by everything and think the cure is a massive money transfer to the self identified aggrieved.




Hey....................here is a bet for you..................................


want to bet that the native compensation package becomes a 2020 BUDGET ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE KNOW that NDPees want to end the boil water advisories on reserves............................


and we KNOW that LIE-berals DO NOT want to spend $6 billion dollars on compensation......................


for drunken suicidal natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you imagine the WILD BINGES that natives would go on..............................


if LIE-berals were STUPID ENOUGH to cut cheques in the amount of $40 grand for each native person??????????????????



Giving such gravy to suicidal drunks is like putting an alcoholic in charge of a LIQUOR WAREHOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You have to know it will END BADLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Want to bet that LIE-berals and their idiot cousins will end up "investing" that compensation..............................


in infrastructure that "benefits the lives of natives"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals NEED NDPee support to get their spring budget passed...........................


and NDpees DESPERATELY want to steal native votes from LIE-berals...........................


there should be some WILD POLITICAL HORSE TRADING going on in early 2020!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUT WE CAN BE SURE that one way or another......................................


natives WILL NOT be getting those govt $40 grand cheques in hand to spend as they please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the Devil is in the details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOW MUCH GRAVY will LIE-berals throw around??????????????????????/


And WHERE will they throw it - in hope of salvaging a year of life for the LIE-beral minority????????????????????????