Teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with BRITISH soldier is murdered by father

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Teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with BRITISH soldier is murdered by her own father in honour killing

27th April 2008
Daily Mail


Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was killed by her father after falling in love with a British soldier

A teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with a British soldier when he was in Basra was murdered by her father in an "honour killing", it was revealed today.

Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was suffocated and then hacked at with a knife after her family discovered she was friends with the 22-year-old soldier who she knew only as Paul.

The pair first met when Rand was working on an aid project for displaced families but it is thought the soldier is unaware of the girl's fate.

She was stamped on, suffocated and stabbed - leaving her with puncture wounds all over her body, including her face.

Her own mother, Leila Hussein, has spoken out about the crime, revealing how her husband called out that he was cleansing "his honour" as he carried out the murder.

She told the Observer he was arrested after the brutal murder but was released without charge two hours later because it was an "honour killing".

"He was released two hours later because it was an 'honour killing'. And unfortunately that is something to be proud of for any Iraqi man," she told the paper.


Her funeral was done without any of the traditional mourning because she was deemed 'impure'. Her uncles were said to have spat on her body


Rand claimed she was in love from the first moment she met the soldier, who had been working alongside her on an aid project where she was volunteering.

She immediately told her best friend she was dreaming they could have a future together.

Five months on, she was brutally killed and buried without the traditional mourning ceremony in a mark of her "impurity".

Her uncles are also said to have spat on her body because of the shame they felt she had brought on the family.

The fact her relationship with the British soldier she knew as Paul was entirely innocent was not enough to save her.


The teenager's best friend had tried to hide the presents she was given by the soldier but a friend told her father after he saw the pair together


According to the Observer, she was seen conversing intimately with him and because he was a British "invader" and the enemy, this could not be tolerated.

The pair last saw each other in January but her father, Abdel Qader Ali did not learn of their friendship until two months later on March 16.

He was told by a friend that his daughter had been seen with the soldier and stormed home to confront her.

Ms Hussein described to the paper how he was in a complete rage and trembled as he asked Rand if the story was true, before starting to hit her repeatedly.

She said: "She started to cry, she was nervous. He got hold of her hair and started thumping her again and again.

"I screamed and called out for her two brothers so they could get their father away from her. But when he told them the reason, instead of saving her they helped end her life."

Qader Ali had used his own feet to press down on Rand's throat until she stopped breathing before cutting at her body with a knife, she said.


British soldiers in Basra: The pair first met when they were both working on an aid project in Basra

Sgt Ali Jabbar of Basra police said: "Not much can be done when we have an 'honour killing'. You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws."

Ms Hussein has now divorced her husband and is in hiding under the care of a charity for fear of reprisals from his family for speaking out.

A charity spokeswoman said: "She has been threatened by her husband's family and is very scared."

The Ministry of Defence is thought to be trying to track down the soldier, who is believed to have no idea his friendship with Rand might have put her at risk.

There is no official policy on advising troops how to behave with Iraqi women when they are deployed to the country.

An MoD spokeswoman said: "They are not told: don't go and fall in love."

The murder is believed to be the first "honour killing" in the war-torn country involving a British soldier.

But there were 47 such killing of young women in Basra alone last year and just three convictions, according to the city's Security Committee.

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Blackleaf - I want to acknowledge your post and the atrocity it reminds us is still a prevalent issue that must not be ignored. Yet anything I can think of to say is so completely obvious and redundant it seems inane to even try.

May that poor mother remain safe in her refusal to accept the inhumanity.
 

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How the hell can they call that an "honour" killing. I've never understood how a man's alleged honour is redeemed by beating his daughter to death. Then we find out that in Basra alone there were 47 such killings. These people shouldn't be let out of the house without sane supevision.
 

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honour.

what a tricky concept. It can mean so many things to so many people. For us it often means having the strength to treat everyone well, even if their views do not mesh with ours. In the middle East, it appears to mean having the strength to put to death anyone whose beliefs contradict with yours.

How can we even dare to compare our own sense of 'honour' with their sense of it? We may use the same words, but we are discussing such vastly different concepts that it seems almost like 'who's on third'.

I remain thankful that I grew up understanding the definition of honour that I do.
 

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honour.

what a tricky concept. It can mean so many things to so many people. For us it often means having the strength to treat everyone well, even if their views do not mesh with ours. In the middle East, it appears to mean having the strength to put to death anyone whose beliefs contradict with yours.

How can we even dare to compare our own sense of 'honour' with their sense of it? We may use the same words, but we are discussing such vastly different concepts that it seems almost like 'who's on third'.

I remain thankful that I grew up understanding the definition of honour that I do.

It gets trickier. Even if the daughter had been raped, chances are she would have been put to death as well. After while you notice that somehow every perceived affront has just one penalty: Death!.
Salman Rushdie published a book and Muslims everywhere called for his death. A few Danish cartoonists published cartoons thought by Muslims to be insulting and there were calls for their execution. Hell, even Cat Stevens called for their death. The penalty for adopting another religion is death. These people are in a time warp and they are all looney.




 

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Hey Blackleaf,

In case you forgot, there in jolly old England, a black guy was attacked and murdered for dating a white girl:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Black_teenager_murdered_in_racial_attack_in_Liverpool,_England


I guess it shows what a bunch of barbaric and racist lot you white Christian poms are like.


No, not really. I love the British and have had the privilege of having several friends from the old Isle. Generalizations such as those made on this thread don't serve any good purpose. But before we point the finger at others for their misdeeds, let's clean up our own backyards and treat everyone wih the equal respect they deserve.
 

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You know, instead of us all gasping and acting all shocked that this happened over in Iraq.... how about we all kinda take a look inside our own countries towards the immigrants who brought their ways such as the above into our lands first?

Every so often you hear in the news of some teenaged daughter who is killed by their father due to honor, etc.... you also hear a few reports here and there about forced marriages and the likes and when the daughter refuses, they suddenly drop from school and nobody hears from them again, either taken away and forced to be married and isolated, or killed...... this stuff is happening right here, right now in our own countries, and while this situation occured between a forign soldier in their holy land and a young Iraqi girl in the middle of a war..... where is the cloud of judgement on the matters that we see in the news everyday, or perhaps those we don't hear being reported here right in our backyard?

Regardless of if you think these things are justified or not, it makes more sense that we decide on the matter and find a way to resolve this conflict in our own towns and cities before we start pointing fingers in other countries and what they do.
 

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Regardless of if you think these things are justified or not, it makes more sense that we decide on the matter and find a way to resolve this conflict in our own towns and cities before we start pointing fingers in other countries and what they do.

But we have decided Prax. It's illegal here, and we put these people in prison. We speak out and condemn their actions. What more do you expect? To be able to be in people's homes monitoring their every thought? Personally I think attacking this problem at it's root, rather than trying to nip off a leaf here and there, is the only way it will ever truly end. You need to end these practices in their home countries.
 

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Hey Blackleaf,

In case you forgot, there in jolly old England, a black guy was attacked and murdered for dating a white girl:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Black_teenager_murdered_in_racial_attack_in_Liverpool,_England


I guess it shows what a bunch of barbaric and racist lot you white Christian poms are like.


No, not really. I love the British and have had the privilege of having several friends from the old Isle. Generalizations such as those made on this thread don't serve any good purpose. But before we point the finger at others for their misdeeds, let's clean up our own backyards and treat everyone wih the equal respect they deserve.

Yeah that happened once............once is an abberation.

How about 42 times?
 

karrie

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Hey Blackleaf,

In case you forgot, there in jolly old England, a black guy was attacked and murdered for dating a white girl:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Black_teenager_murdered_in_racial_attack_in_Liverpool,_England


I guess it shows what a bunch of barbaric and racist lot you white Christian poms are like.


No, not really. I love the British and have had the privilege of having several friends from the old Isle. Generalizations such as those made on this thread don't serve any good purpose. But before we point the finger at others for their misdeeds, let's clean up our own backyards and treat everyone wih the equal respect they deserve.


Oh wow. I didn't realize (it doesn't say it anywhere in the wiki article even), that the country had excused these men and called the killing of a black for dating a white 'justified'. Nor did I realize that 'our own backyards' had any such loopholes. If they exist, I will gladly do some housecleaning!
 

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But we have decided Prax. It's illegal here, and we put these people in prison. We speak out and condemn their actions. What more do you expect? To be able to be in people's homes monitoring their every thought? Personally I think attacking this problem at it's root, rather than trying to nip off a leaf here and there, is the only way it will ever truly end. You need to end these practices in their home countries.

The thing is, we are supposed to be the home country now.

Perhaps that hits the nail on the head though, stop allowing people in who do not consider Canada their home country. Revoke citizenships and seize assets for behaviour like that. If they apparently only move to Canada for Economic reasons, that could be a serious enough punishment to persuade them not to come over here.
 

karrie

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The thing is, we are supposed to be the home country now.

Perhaps that hits the nail on the head though, stop allowing people in who do not consider Canada their home country. Revoke citizenships and seize assets for behaviour like that. If they apparently only move to Canada for Economic reasons, that could be a serious enough punishment to persuade them not to come over here.

It makes me wonder Zzarchov, how many of the immigrants who have performed honor killings in our country are second generation immigrants. It seems to me to be an issue of carried over customs and ideas. Now if we see it often in second or third generation immigrants, then we know it is something slipping through Canadian culture. But if it's holdover notions we see only (or mainly) in people who lived elsewhere most of their lives, then I'm hesitant to say the problem lies with Canada, even if it happens here. The outrage when that girl was killed over not wearing her hijab was so palpable, that it just doesn't compare in my mind with a country letting this father go, because they feel it's his right to kill her for falling in love with the wrong man.
 

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But we have decided Prax. It's illegal here, and we put these people in prison. We speak out and condemn their actions. What more do you expect?

It's not done enough in my opinion, as it still occurs and many still get away with it. The laws are not enforced enough in our countries to increase these people's deterrants for acting on these beliefs within our borders and laws.

Case in point here in our country, Forced Marriages are a Civil Offence not Criminal, thereby the penalties are far less then they should be.

But back onto the Honor Killings:

'Honour' killings of women coming to Canada: study
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=5cf128cd-0ae5-44fd-9937-38bd42dd52b2

To be able to be in people's homes monitoring their every thought? Personally I think attacking this problem at it's root, rather than trying to nip off a leaf here and there, is the only way it will ever truly end. You need to end these practices in their home countries.

So, we need to start interfering in the affairs, religions and cultures of other nations to suit what we believe is right and wrong in the world?

I thought we were already doing this?

The World Police tactic doesn't seem to be working and going over into other countries and pointing fingers at them telling them that what they are doing is wrong, isn't going to solve anything until we correct our own ways first and stop with our hypocracy. Reviews/Interviews for new immigrants based on their religious backgrounds/beliefs is required prior to them entering our nation.... not to profile or deny their ability to come into Canada, but to know and understand where they are coming from in this area of their lives, where it conflicts with our laws and ways of our country, and followed through with proper education for them, informing them that although they are permitted to practice their own religious followings, they must abide to our country's laws and rights for every human, and that honor killings are not accepted as a religious right here. If they don't like it, they can goto some other country.

Until we control what happens in our own country, we have no place telling another what they should and shouldn't be doing. But currently there is limited resources and proceedures in our immigration to check in detail someone's religious background because it's not politically correct and some might think it's racial profiling, etc..... therefore most of these people along with their beliefs come in for the most part unchecked.... they may state they're muslim, or christian, or jewish, etc.... but as it goes for their overall beliefs and the divisions amongst all those religions and various beliefs.... there is a lot that goes unanswered and they cross through our country misunderstanding our freedoms of religion and how it actually works compared to our laws.
 

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The thing is, we are supposed to be the home country now.

Perhaps that hits the nail on the head though, stop allowing people in who do not consider Canada their home country. Revoke citizenships and seize assets for behaviour like that. If they apparently only move to Canada for Economic reasons, that could be a serious enough punishment to persuade them not to come over here.

Also they could be coming to Canada for their misinformed view of our freedoms, where perhaps in their original countries honor killings and forced marriages are no longer allowed, and think they can come here and continue to act apon those parts of their religion due to our freedom of religion practices and many of the laws we have which protect certain parts or actions of a religion.

I feel they maybe fully aware of our laws in our country and will abide to them..... but might be confused about where the law stands when it comes to relgious actions.

Anybody remember that girl out west who was killed by her father for dressing "Western" and refused to wear a Hijab?

Dad charged after daughter killed in clash over hijab
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=159480

Yes Karrie we do charge those caught in these crimes, but they're still occuring and it seems the parents in these cases don't get that it's illegal in our country, so what is the solution?

And I don't believe trying to force a completely different country to change their ways to suit our country's ways is going to work, because logically..... why should they change to suit our desires and us not change to suit their own?
 

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Hey Blackleaf,

In case you forgot, there in jolly old England, a black guy was attacked and murdered for dating a white girl:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Black_teenager_murdered_in_racial_attack_in_Liverpool,_England


I guess it shows what a bunch of barbaric and racist lot you white Christian poms are like.


No, not really. I love the British and have had the privilege of having several friends from the old Isle. Generalizations such as those made on this thread don't serve any good purpose. But before we point the finger at others for their misdeeds, let's clean up our own backyards and treat everyone wih the equal respect they deserve.

Gopher, there is a huge difference between isolated incidents and something that is ingrained within a whole culture.
 

Praxius

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Gopher, there is a huge difference between isolated incidents and something that is ingrained within a whole culture.

Yeah an Isolated Incident would be Roswell, New Mexico...... something ingrained within a whole culture would be the aliens on the Simpson Halloween Specials. Which one situation do you remember more details about?

*prax wtf are you going on about?*

Buttons man! They took my damn buttons!
 

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"once is an abberation.

How about 42 times? "


The article shows that there were at least 800 racialist incidents. And those are reported cases. Most likely, there are hundreds more that are not reported.


"ingrained within a whole culture."

You will recall my earlier thread re India's killing of over 10 million girls. Its culture of killing females is FAR worse than that of Islam. Yet, we heard very little of it from the critics on this forum.

Remember?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592890.stm
 
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if by "no critics"

You mean swarms of critics and many threads then yes.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your point.