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Chappaquiddick Revisited
Liberals still lionize Ted Kennedy. Forty years ago, he revealed his true character.

By R. P. George and D. Quinn


On the evening of July 18, 1969, Mary Jo Kopechne died while trying to free herself from Edward M. Kennedy’s submerged automobile in a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island.

The fortieth anniversary of Miss Kopechne’s death passed with scarcely a word’s being mentioned of it in the media. Perhaps it was not simply a matter of liberal bias. With Senator Kennedy now seriously ill, many journalists no doubt considered that it might be unseemly to bring up the subject.

But however uncomfortable it may be to recall the circumstances of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death, Americans must not forget what happened to her, nor must a delicate sensibility prevent us from remembering how a powerful man and his savvy handlers were able to shield him from responsibility for his behavior towards her. Mary Jo Kopechne died because, after recklessly causing an accident, Teddy Kennedy, in his nearly unfathomable self-absorption and political ambition, failed to do what almost anyone would have done to rescue her — namely, report the accident and call for emergency help. Instead, Kennedy thought only of himself and his political career.

Mary Jo Kopechne was 29 years old when she died. She was a bright and idealistic young woman who had worked closely with Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in the presidential campaign that ended tragically with his assassination in June 1968. On July 18, 1969, she attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island that reunited several of RFK’s campaign workers and friends. Teddy Kennedy also attended the party, and he and Miss Kopechne left together sometime before midnight, with Kennedy at the wheel of his 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88.

Having taken a wrong turn, and driving too fast along a dirt road, Kennedy was unable to brake properly when approaching Dike Bridge, which had no guardrail. The car went over the side of the bridge and plunged into the channel, known as Poucha Pond. Ted Kennedy managed to escape the submerged and overturned vehicle, but Mary Jo Kopechne did not.

Kennedy later claimed that he made several attempts to swim down to the car to rescue her. He then rested on the shore for a few minutes before walking back to the party. On the way, he passed several houses where he could easily have stopped, asked for help, and notified authorities. With a woman in danger of drowning, that is what any decent person would have done. But Kennedy did not do it. He later said that he had not seen a house with a light on. This would have been a pathetic excuse even if true. The evidence is, however, that the very first house that he had passed, only 150 yards or so from the scene of the accident, had a light on.

When Kennedy finally got back to the party, he enlisted a cousin, Joseph Gargan, and a friend, Paul Markham, to return to the accident scene and attempt a rescue. (What was needed, of course, was a properly trained and equipped emergency diver.) When their efforts failed, the two men — both of them lawyers — attempted to prevail on Kennedy to report the accident and get police and professional rescue help. But Kennedy did not report the accident. Gargan and Markham testified that they themselves did not report it only because they believed that Kennedy was going to do so. What Kennedy did, rather, was return to his hotel room in nearby Edgartown, where he retired for the night. Early the next morning, Gargan and Markham joined him and again pressed him urgently to notify the authorities. Instead, Kennedy found a pay phone and began soliciting advice from trusted friends and relatives. By this point, Mary Jo Kopechne was certainly dead, and Teddy Kennedy had still not notified the authorities.

The police first heard of the incident when a pair of fishermen, having seen the car in the water, went to one of the residences that Kennedy had passed the evening before to make sure that the authorities had been informed. The police sent a diver, who quickly recovered Miss Kopechne’s body. From its positioning in the car, it was clear that she had survived for some time before drowning or exhausting the available oxygen. It was surely a terrifying and perhaps an agonizing death. The diver later testified that, had Kennedy run to the nearest residence and called for emergency help, “there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.”

The police became aware that the car belonged to Edward M. Kennedy when they ran a check on the license plate. When Kennedy, still at the pay phone, saw that the body had been recovered, he went to the police station, where he made a few more calls and then dictated to Markham a statement for the police. It was carefully crafted to avoid saying very much, thus keeping open a range of explanatory options.

A week later, Kennedy pleaded guilty to the comparatively minor charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Astonishingly, the local Massachusetts judge, a man named James Boyle, gave Kennedy only the statutory minimum punishment — two months of jail time — which he immediately suspended. In explaining his leniency, Judge Boyle pointed to what he described as Kennedy’s “unblemished record.” One supposes that for the judge, it was a bit like having Mother Teresa in the dock.

Having managed the immediate legal issues, the legendary Kennedy machinery went to work on managing the political problem created by the senator’s shocking behavior. On the evening of his sentencing, one week after Miss Kopechne had died in his car, Kennedy read a prepared statement that was broadcast on network television. The statement was a masterwork of spin — telling parts of the story (in the least unfavorable light possible, of course); leaving out the more inculpatory parts; and vacillating between abject apology and excuse making. The most risible part was when he suggested that his conduct was accounted for by a cerebral concussion and shock, while insisting that, of course, he wouldn’t dream of using his medical condition as an excuse.

He asked the people of Massachusetts whether they wanted him to resign. “Think this through with me,” he said. “In facing this decision, I seek your advice and opinion. In making it I seek your prayers.”

It worked.

Six weeks later, an inquest into Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was held. Kennedy’s lawyers asked the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court to make it a secret inquest, and the judges proved to be entirely compliant. Later, a lengthy transcript of the inquest was made available to the public. The presiding judge was one who had already proven to be friendly from Kennedy’s point of view: James Boyle. Interestingly, Boyle found “probable cause” for believing that Kennedy was guilty of criminal negligence and even possibly manslaughter. Still, he did not issue a warrant for the senator’s arrest.

The district attorney, an ambitious Democrat named Edmund Dinis, almost certainly could have gotten a grand-jury indictment, but he, too, declined to pursue the matter. In fact, when a grand jury looked at the question, Dinis told the jurors that there was not sufficient evidence to warrant an indictment of the senator even on charges of reckless endangerment, much less manslaughter.

Did we mention that all of this happened in Massachusetts? Did we note that the perpetrator was Democratic United States senator Edward M. Kennedy?

In the end, Kennedy’s punishment for his appalling acts and even more appalling omissions at Chappaquiddick was that the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles suspended his driver’s license for a few months.

Many liberals lionize Teddy Kennedy. They like his politics and often thrill to his aggressive tactics against their adversaries. (That list begins with Robert H. Bork, whom Kennedy defamed brutally in a successful effort to block his confirmation as an associate justice of the Supreme Court.) But they should consider what kind of man Ted Kennedy is. His character was revealed at Chappaquiddick and in all that he said and did to evade responsibility for his conduct in the months and years that followed.

It is a sad irony that liberal groups heap praise on Kennedy as a champion of women’s rights. Of course, the reason they like him — and the reason he can always count on them to deflect attention from questions of character and to attack those who raise the questions — is that he is a champion of liberal ideology. Someone who honored women’s rights — someone who honored human rights — would have laid aside any question of political consequences, run to a nearby house, and called for emergency help to rescue a woman whose life, through his own fault, was in grave peril. Such a person would have honored the right to life of Mary Jo Kopechne.

— Robert P. George is McCormick professor of jurisprudence and director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University. Dermot Quinn is a professor of history at Seton Hall University.
 

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July 31, 2009, 0:00 p.m.

Chappaquiddick Revisited
Liberals still lionize Ted Kennedy. Forty years ago, he revealed his true character.

By R. P. George and D. Quinn


On the evening of July 18, 1969, Mary Jo Kopechne died while trying to free herself from Edward M. Kennedy’s submerged automobile in a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island.

The fortieth anniversary of Miss Kopechne’s death passed with scarcely a word’s being mentioned of it in the media. Perhaps it was not simply a matter of liberal bias. With Senator Kennedy now seriously ill, many journalists no doubt considered that it might be unseemly to bring up the subject.

But however uncomfortable it may be to recall the circumstances of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death, Americans must not forget what happened to her, nor must a delicate sensibility prevent us from remembering how a powerful man and his savvy handlers were able to shield him from responsibility for his behavior towards her. Mary Jo Kopechne died because, after recklessly causing an accident, Teddy Kennedy, in his nearly unfathomable self-absorption and political ambition, failed to do what almost anyone would have done to rescue her — namely, report the accident and call for emergency help. Instead, Kennedy thought only of himself and his political career.

Mary Jo Kopechne was 29 years old when she died. She was a bright and idealistic young woman who had worked closely with Sen. Robert F. Kennedy in the presidential campaign that ended tragically with his assassination in June 1968. On July 18, 1969, she attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island that reunited several of RFK’s campaign workers and friends. Teddy Kennedy also attended the party, and he and Miss Kopechne left together sometime before midnight, with Kennedy at the wheel of his 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88.

Having taken a wrong turn, and driving too fast along a dirt road, Kennedy was unable to brake properly when approaching Dike Bridge, which had no guardrail. The car went over the side of the bridge and plunged into the channel, known as Poucha Pond. Ted Kennedy managed to escape the submerged and overturned vehicle, but Mary Jo Kopechne did not.

Kennedy later claimed that he made several attempts to swim down to the car to rescue her. He then rested on the shore for a few minutes before walking back to the party. On the way, he passed several houses where he could easily have stopped, asked for help, and notified authorities. With a woman in danger of drowning, that is what any decent person would have done. But Kennedy did not do it. He later said that he had not seen a house with a light on. This would have been a pathetic excuse even if true. The evidence is, however, that the very first house that he had passed, only 150 yards or so from the scene of the accident, had a light on.

When Kennedy finally got back to the party, he enlisted a cousin, Joseph Gargan, and a friend, Paul Markham, to return to the accident scene and attempt a rescue. (What was needed, of course, was a properly trained and equipped emergency diver.) When their efforts failed, the two men — both of them lawyers — attempted to prevail on Kennedy to report the accident and get police and professional rescue help. But Kennedy did not report the accident. Gargan and Markham testified that they themselves did not report it only because they believed that Kennedy was going to do so. What Kennedy did, rather, was return to his hotel room in nearby Edgartown, where he retired for the night. Early the next morning, Gargan and Markham joined him and again pressed him urgently to notify the authorities. Instead, Kennedy found a pay phone and began soliciting advice from trusted friends and relatives. By this point, Mary Jo Kopechne was certainly dead, and Teddy Kennedy had still not notified the authorities.

The police first heard of the incident when a pair of fishermen, having seen the car in the water, went to one of the residences that Kennedy had passed the evening before to make sure that the authorities had been informed. The police sent a diver, who quickly recovered Miss Kopechne’s body. From its positioning in the car, it was clear that she had survived for some time before drowning or exhausting the available oxygen. It was surely a terrifying and perhaps an agonizing death. The diver later testified that, had Kennedy run to the nearest residence and called for emergency help, “there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.”

The police became aware that the car belonged to Edward M. Kennedy when they ran a check on the license plate. When Kennedy, still at the pay phone, saw that the body had been recovered, he went to the police station, where he made a few more calls and then dictated to Markham a statement for the police. It was carefully crafted to avoid saying very much, thus keeping open a range of explanatory options.

A week later, Kennedy pleaded guilty to the comparatively minor charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Astonishingly, the local Massachusetts judge, a man named James Boyle, gave Kennedy only the statutory minimum punishment — two months of jail time — which he immediately suspended. In explaining his leniency, Judge Boyle pointed to what he described as Kennedy’s “unblemished record.” One supposes that for the judge, it was a bit like having Mother Teresa in the dock.

Having managed the immediate legal issues, the legendary Kennedy machinery went to work on managing the political problem created by the senator’s shocking behavior. On the evening of his sentencing, one week after Miss Kopechne had died in his car, Kennedy read a prepared statement that was broadcast on network television. The statement was a masterwork of spin — telling parts of the story (in the least unfavorable light possible, of course); leaving out the more inculpatory parts; and vacillating between abject apology and excuse making. The most risible part was when he suggested that his conduct was accounted for by a cerebral concussion and shock, while insisting that, of course, he wouldn’t dream of using his medical condition as an excuse.

He asked the people of Massachusetts whether they wanted him to resign. “Think this through with me,” he said. “In facing this decision, I seek your advice and opinion. In making it I seek your prayers.”

It worked.

Six weeks later, an inquest into Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was held. Kennedy’s lawyers asked the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court to make it a secret inquest, and the judges proved to be entirely compliant. Later, a lengthy transcript of the inquest was made available to the public. The presiding judge was one who had already proven to be friendly from Kennedy’s point of view: James Boyle. Interestingly, Boyle found “probable cause” for believing that Kennedy was guilty of criminal negligence and even possibly manslaughter. Still, he did not issue a warrant for the senator’s arrest.

The district attorney, an ambitious Democrat named Edmund Dinis, almost certainly could have gotten a grand-jury indictment, but he, too, declined to pursue the matter. In fact, when a grand jury looked at the question, Dinis told the jurors that there was not sufficient evidence to warrant an indictment of the senator even on charges of reckless endangerment, much less manslaughter.

Did we mention that all of this happened in Massachusetts? Did we note that the perpetrator was Democratic United States senator Edward M. Kennedy?

In the end, Kennedy’s punishment for his appalling acts and even more appalling omissions at Chappaquiddick was that the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles suspended his driver’s license for a few months.

Many liberals lionize Teddy Kennedy. They like his politics and often thrill to his aggressive tactics against their adversaries. (That list begins with Robert H. Bork, whom Kennedy defamed brutally in a successful effort to block his confirmation as an associate justice of the Supreme Court.) But they should consider what kind of man Ted Kennedy is. His character was revealed at Chappaquiddick and in all that he said and did to evade responsibility for his conduct in the months and years that followed.

It is a sad irony that liberal groups heap praise on Kennedy as a champion of women’s rights. Of course, the reason they like him — and the reason he can always count on them to deflect attention from questions of character and to attack those who raise the questions — is that he is a champion of liberal ideology. Someone who honored women’s rights — someone who honored human rights — would have laid aside any question of political consequences, run to a nearby house, and called for emergency help to rescue a woman whose life, through his own fault, was in grave peril. Such a person would have honored the right to life of Mary Jo Kopechne.

— Robert P. George is McCormick professor of jurisprudence and director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University. Dermot Quinn is a professor of history at Seton Hall University.

That's one of the reasons I believe in a higher power. You take these bastards who have enjoyed a life of privilege and wealth while all the time abusing others.......I think in the big picture there is real justice...one of these days fairly soon he's going to have to take a look at the "report card"
 

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It’s too bad about Ted Kennedy.

He had a hard life but stuck to his beliefs and politics even after the death of his two brothers.

When Ted Kennedy leaves this place and takes the final journey to heaven he will be missed.
 

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It’s too bad about Ted Kennedy.

He had a hard life but stuck to his beliefs and politics even after the death of his two brothers.

When Ted Kennedy leaves this place and takes the final journey to heaven he will be missed.

Make that three brothers, that part of his life was tough.
 

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That's one of the reasons I believe in a higher power. You take these bastards who have enjoyed a life of privilege and wealth while all the time abusing others.......I think in the big picture there is real justice...one of these days fairly soon he's going to have to take a look at the "report card"

Yes, his private life was public, because of his wealth and fortune and pasts within his family, so the bad is blown up and thrown back in his/their faces
over and over, many many times, and that's just the way it is, but at the same
time he was one of the most respected senators, and did many good things for
his constituants, and on these posts, that is never mentioned, there is always
the good with the bad, with anyone, those who trash him over and over might
want to know the 'whole' ted kennedy, but on second thought I guess they don't.
 

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The most credible story i've heard about Chappaquiddick was that Kennedy might not have even been in the car. By this story line he had left a party with campaign workers, quite likely for a tryst, upholding the Kennedy womanizing tradition. He was looking for a place to park when he noticed headlights, and thought it might be press or police. He'd been drinking and the last thing he wanted was a drunk driving charge, or lurid headlines about being caught in a lover's lane with a young campaign worker. So he got out of the car, and told her to drive up the road, until the headlights drove off. But Mary Jo was unfamiliar with the road and bridge system there and drove into creek. That would explain a lot about the events of that night, his ability to 'get out' of the car. Whether he was actually aware that the car had gone into the water, only Ted knows for sure. It explains a lot of the inconsistencies in the story, and in a criminal sense would made him less culpable than with the story he made up after wards to deflect character questions, or at least to make him still seem as 'Presidential' as possible.
 
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Not to mention the pilot that was killed, he advised Kennedy that Hyanasport wasn't safe for landing and told Kennedy they were landing at an alternate airport and Kennedy told him to get that F'n plane into Hyanasport if he knew what was good for him. It crashed the pilot was killed, Kennedy suffered a broken leg.

If that was true, and its the first time i've heard of it, the responsibility is 100% on the pilot. A pilot on an aircraft, like a ship captain is the complete dictator of its destiny. He has to accept instructions from air traffic controllers but passengers have no say in any decisions. If Kennedy said that, the pilot should have told him to "shut up, you drunken sot" and landed where he felt it was safest.
 
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He may have escaped laws of man by virtue of money. If he has any sort of conscience, he's haunted.

Ted: may you rest in more peace than that which you lived.

There are neither rich folk in Heaven nor paupers in Hell.
 

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Not to mention the pilot that was killed, he advised Kennedy that Hyanasport wasn't safe for landing and told Kennedy they were landing at an alternate airport and Kennedy told him to get that F'n plane into Hyanasport if he knew what was good for him. It crashed the pilot was killed, Kennedy suffered a broken leg.

The only instance I remember happening re: airplane crash, ted kennedy broke
his back, have never heard the story above, and I agree with the other post, the
pilot would have had to take his orders from air traffic control, not kennedy,
just sounds like another kennedy hater who thought that one up.
 

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The only instance I remember happening re: airplane crash, ted kennedy broke
his back, have never heard the story above, and I agree with the other post, the
pilot would have had to take his orders from air traffic control, not kennedy,
just sounds like another kennedy hater who thought that one up.

That was the same plane crash. Technically Coldstream is right but morally that's questionable, given Kennedy's social stature and perhaps the pilot's boss for all I know. It's all laid out in that book "The Last BRother".
 

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That was the same plane crash. Technically Coldstream is right but morally that's questionable, given Kennedy's social stature and perhaps the pilot's boss for all I know. It's all laid out in that book "The Last BRother".

Well, obviously there is no proof of that statement, and I still believe the pilot
would have followed instructions from air control, and if he was going to change
his mind, air control would still have been notified of the decision, and there
would have been some 'back and forth' between air control and pilot, concerning
changing decision or not, and it would have been air control who would have
made the final decision, and if any of these people changed their mind because
of pressure from ted kennedy, it is their responsibility and their fault that the
crash happened. Those conversations could have gone on many times on many
flights between pilots and passengers (corporate/government,whatever), and
the buck stops with air traffic control.
It is amazing to me how 'those', who bring up the chappaquidick thing, which
I followed with great interest, and any of the other situations regarding the
kennedys, only 'remember' those particular unfortunate happenings, and never
ever bring up all the good he and his brothers have done over the years for
the people of the u.s. Why is that.
John Kennedy was a very good president, people loved him, but he also was
an over sexed womanizer, and had so many clandestine meetings with women
while president, but even I, who abhore such behavior has the ability to put
things in their proper order. When I think of him as president, I feel good to
have been a young woman who loved following the politics of the day, and
experienced his election and following efforts as president, not without mistakes, but no one is perfect, BUT when I think of him as the 'man' who
couldn't keep his hands off of women outside his marriage, I feel ashamed for
him and his behavior.
 

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Well, obviously there is no proof of that statement, and I still believe the pilot
would have followed instructions from air control, and if he was going to change
his mind, air control would still have been notified of the decision, and there
would have been some 'back and forth' between air control and pilot, concerning
changing decision or not, and it would have been air control who would have
made the final decision, and if any of these people changed their mind because
of pressure from ted kennedy, it is their responsibility and their fault that the
crash happened. Those conversations could have gone on many times on many
flights between pilots and passengers (corporate/government,whatever), and
the buck stops with air traffic control.
It is amazing to me how 'those', who bring up the chappaquidick thing, which
I followed with great interest, and any of the other situations regarding the
kennedys, only 'remember' those particular unfortunate happenings, and never
ever bring up all the good he and his brothers have done over the years for
the people of the u.s. Why is that.
John Kennedy was a very good president, people loved him, but he also was
an over sexed womanizer, and had so many clandestine meetings with women
while president, but even I, who abhore such behavior has the ability to put
things in their proper order. When I think of him as president, I feel good to
have been a young woman who loved following the politics of the day, and
experienced his election and following efforts as president, not without mistakes, but no one is perfect, BUT when I think of him as the 'man' who
couldn't keep his hands off of women outside his marriage, I feel ashamed for
him and his behavior.

You probably give it the proper prospective. However I do think the Chappaquidick incident can't be minimalized, anyone else but Ted Kennedy would have been charged with impaired driving causing death. He tried to lie his way out of it. Your evaluation of the whole Kennedy scene is probably a little fairer than mine, although I don't believe much dirt was ever cast on Bobby.
 

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You probably give it the proper prospective. However I do think the Chappaquidick incident can't be minimalized, anyone else but Ted Kennedy would have been charged with impaired driving causing death. He tried to lie his way out of it. Your evaluation of the whole Kennedy scene is probably a little fairer than mine, although I don't believe much dirt was ever cast on Bobby.

Teddy DID lie his way out of it. He got a slap on the wrist when he probably should have recieved jail time.

The only thing I ever heard about Bobby was rumors about Marilyn Monroe.

I have always been a big fan of JFK and Bobby. The Kennedy's that followed have not been stellar at all.
 

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Teddy DID lie his way out of it. He got a slap on the wrist when he probably should have recieved jail time.

The only thing I ever heard about Bobby was rumors about Marilyn Monroe.

I have always been a big fan of JFK and Bobby. The Kennedy's that followed have not been stellar at all.

The womanizing that JFK did was proven and true, and it is also rumoured that
Robert also had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, although not proven to my
knowledge. People choose what they want to believe or not about people,
and Ted isn't any worse or better than his brothers, his problem is that he
had a alchohol problem, and a bad marriage, lots of women on the side, but
so did JFK, (while very sober).

You know, the real important thing still never gets spoken about, and that is
their contributions to their people and country, and even now after all
this chit chat, it is still not mentioned, chappaquidick happened so many
years ago, and the work he has done in government since then is stellar, but
those who come on here, bring it up again as though it happened yesterday.
They are not interested in anything good, just the bad.
 

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Teddy DID lie his way out of it. He got a slap on the wrist when he probably should have recieved jail time.

The only thing I ever heard about Bobby was rumors about Marilyn Monroe.

I have always been a big fan of JFK and Bobby. The Kennedy's that followed have not been stellar at all.

I think you are pretty accurate in your evaluation of the clan. I think one of the biggest problems they all had was the visitation of the sins of the father to following generations.
 

talloola

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Teddy DID lie his way out of it. He got a slap on the wrist when he probably should have recieved jail time.

The only thing I ever heard about Bobby was rumors about Marilyn Monroe.

I have always been a big fan of JFK and Bobby. The Kennedy's that followed have not been stellar at all.
Many Kennedys followed after them, ted was the youngest in that family,
then all the children. Robert had eleven I think, he died before the last one
was born, jfk's kids, caroline and john jr., ted's kids, not sure, I think one son,
who had cancer, had a leg amputated when very young, not sure how many others he had.

Robert as a senator, and Ted as a senator, have helped so many poor and
struggling groups, and the kennedy family has always been concerned for
the struggling citizens, and reached out to them, without bragging or fanfare,
just doing their work.
It's just too bad that the only thing people seem to want to bring up and remember are the 'bad' events, why talk about the good people do, guess
that's boring.
 

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Robert as a senator, and Ted as a senator, have helped so many poor and
struggling groups, and the kennedy family has always been concerned for
the struggling citizens, and reached out to them, without bragging or fanfare,
just doing their work.
It's just too bad that the only thing people seem to want to bring up and remember are the 'bad' events, why talk about the good people do, guess
that's boring.

Kennedy's aren't concerned over struggling citizens...Kennedy's are concerned over their image.