Ted Cruz: Can't touch this

[pgs]

These sound like direct quotes from Fox News. What exactly is your point?



No, they are just talking points that his people use.

He certainly has a responsibility to advocate for the people who voted for him, but normally that is within reasonable ethical guidelines. Shutting the entire government down over an issue that you know you can't win is way outside of that.

So cha ching cha ching lets just indebt our children more , with no end in site . Responsible government much .
That sounds like what you are endorsing .
And no I know nothing of fox news I do not receive that station in Canada but please enlighten me as to which Senate Republicans voted for Obamacare and which senate Democrat voted against it. Thought so .

 

[BornRuff]

So cha ching cha ching lets just indebt our children more , with no end in site . Responsible government much .
That sounds like what you are endorsing .

I am certainly against Ted Cruz and his buddies wasting 24 billion dollars on a pointless political show.

And no I know nothing of fox news I do not receive that station in Canada but please enlighten me as to which Senate Republicans voted for Obamacare and which senate Democrat voted against it. Thought so .

I will ask again, what is your point?

 

[pgs]

I am certainly against Ted Cruz and his buddies wasting 24 billion dollars on a pointless political show.



I will ask again, what is your point?

A bill signed into law in the Senate covering 6% of the American economy is purely partisan in nature . Something that has never happened in American political life before . That is my point . But of course that is beyond you .
And by the way why is it that uninsured Americans are rejecting the ACA by refusing to sign up ?

 

[BornRuff]

A bill signed into law in the Senate covering 6% of the American economy is purely partisan in nature . Something that has never happened in American political life before . That is my point . But of course that is beyond you .
And by the way why is it that uninsured Americans are rejecting the ACA by refusing to sign up ?

Again, what are the actual implications of that? What would you have liked to see differently?

And most importantly, how does it relate to what Ted Cruz did?

Is your point simply that the Senate had a vote along party lines so Ted and his buddies had to shut the government down?

 

[pgs]

Again, what are the actual implications of that? What would you have liked to see differently?

And most importantly, how does it relate to what Ted Cruz did?

Is your point simply that the Senate had a vote along party lines so Ted and his buddies had to shut the government down?

No my point is that the American Government has to reign in it's spending and only the Tea party is doing something about it. And frankly that was what they were sent to Washington to do .
So what would I do differently . Simple I would cut spending wherever possible . I would try and reign in out of control bureaucracy
Exactly like Cruz and the Tea Party .
Life is grand until you run out of grandchildren's money to spend .

 

[BornRuff]

No my point is that the American Government has to reign in it's spending and only the Tea party is doing something about it. And frankly that was what they were sent to Washington to do .
So what would I do differently . Simple I would cut spending wherever possible . I would try and reign in out of control bureaucracy
Exactly like Cruz and the Tea Party .
Life is grand until you run out of grandchildren's money to spend .

What Cruz and his buddies did cost the US 24 billion dollars and gained nothing. How does the achieve that he was sent there to do?

What I am talking about here has nothing to do with his political views. It has to do with his tactics. He is more than free to advance whatever ideas he choose, but it is very selfish and undemocratic to do so in the way he choose to during budget stupidity.

 

[Walter]

I am certainly against Ted Cruz and his buddies wasting 24 billion dollars on a pointless political show.

Bogus number. WH talking point.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Life is grand until you run out of grandchildren's money to spend .

I don't have any grandchildren, and to be frank, I find the idea of spending your grandchildren's money rather appealing. . .

 

[pgs]

What Cruz and his buddies did cost the US 24 billion dollars and gained nothing. How does the achieve that he was sent there to do?

What I am talking about here has nothing to do with his political views. It has to do with his tactics. He is more than free to advance whatever ideas he choose, but it is very selfish and undemocratic to do so in the way he choose to during budget stupidity.

Actually he gained lots . The shut down plainly showed America where it's political elite's morals are . Closing of an open air memorial
so veterans could not pay respect to fallen comrades . But if the government was closed who closed those memorials ? Sending tourists out of National Parks . But why were those parks employees working with the government shut down .
Oh I know the 24 billion was spent to keep those shut down workers on the job .

I don't have any grandchildren, and to be frank, I find the idea of spending your grandchildren's money rather appealing. . .

I know you are a liberal .

 

[BornRuff]

Bogus number. WH talking point.

Well, no, it is a number calculated by Standard & Poor's, which is an organization that is notably not very friendly with the White House.

 

[Walter]

Well, no, it is a number calculated by Standard & Poor's, which is an organization that is notably not very friendly with the White House.

Link?

 

[damngrumpy]

Ted Cruz is someone who can't be taken seriously his actions demonstrate that.
some say oh we can just keep spending money. Well society has to be financed.
First Reagan decided the bills for infrastrure didn't need to be paid. That is one
example. Now of course roads, bridges, schools and other core infrastructure
programs can't be fixed cause there is no money.
How is it programs for people are expenses beyond the ability for government.
Yet tax breaks for business and corporate executives are good. The bloated
military budgets eat up the most of the rest. Oh I forgot the security departments
are out of control and they do little more than promote fear.
Now if we just spent money on people and not on sensible security, infrastructure
and the military it would be equally out of balance.
Priorities are required to provide a roadmap, and balance must be tempered by
wisdom and we appear to be short on that.

 

[Walter]

Ted Cruz is someone who can't be taken seriously his actions demonstrate that.
some say oh we can just keep spending money. Well society has to be financed.
First Reagan decided the bills for infrastrure didn't need to be paid. That is one
example. Now of course roads, bridges, schools and other core infrastructure
programs can't be fixed cause there is no money.
How is it programs for people are expenses beyond the ability for government.
Yet tax breaks for business and corporate executives are good. The bloated
military budgets eat up the most of the rest. Oh I forgot the security departments
are out of control and they do little more than promote fear.
Now if we just spent money on people and not on sensible security, infrastructure
and the military it would be equally out of balance.
Priorities are required to provide a roadmap, and balance must be tempered by
wisdom and we appear to be short on that.

More bull crap.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Priorities are required to provide a roadmap, and balance must be tempered by
wisdom and we appear to be short on that.

We have lots of wisdom. Wise people are wise enough to stay out of politics.

 

[BornRuff]

Actually he gained lots . The shut down plainly showed America where it's political elite's morals are . Closing of an open air memorial
so veterans could not pay respect to fallen comrades . But if the government was closed who closed those memorials ? Sending tourists out of National Parks . But why were those parks employees working with the government shut down .
Oh I know the 24 billion was spent to keep those shut down workers on the job .

If you mainly look at Ted Cruz as the "elites", then ya, I guess.

The 24 Billion includes all of the costs to the economy. Business was significantly hampered, millions of people were left in limbo. The creditors of the US are given more and more reason to jack up lending rates.

As far as the sites though, if you are forced to mothball all of these things, there still is work that has to be done to prepare the places to be mothballed. It would be extremely irresponsible to just walk away from these sites and leave them as is, since that would have incurred even more expenses.

Link?

S&P | Impact Of The Debt Ceiling Debate On The U.S. Economy--Getting Worse By The Day | Americas

 

[EagleSmack]

It is ridiculous that voters can elect a Democratic Senate and a Democratic President, yet a group of people in the house can demand that the central issue of their platform be scrapped or they will shut the government down.
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So what you're saying is that the voters who elected the the GOP dominated House of Representatives should have no say or power?

Yeah... that is bright.

 

[BornRuff]

So what you're saying is that the voters who elected the the GOP dominated House of Representatives should have no say or power?

Yeah... that is bright.

They should obviously get a say, but they shouldn't be able to burn the place to the ground if they don't get to overrule all other branches of government.

 

[EagleSmack]

Sure. In the same vein though, Obama was sent to Washington to do certain things too. If guys like Cruz are going to use ever legal loophole to stall and frustrate the legislative process, people like Obama are going to have to utilize all legal options available to them to get around this.

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What loop hole? You mean voting against a bill is considered a loop hole to Dems now?

They should obviously get a say, but they shouldn't be able to burn the place to the ground if they don't get to overrule all other branches of government.

Embellish much?

They do not over rule all other branches. They happen to have a majority of the House of Representatives and that is that.

 

[Walter]

S&P | Impact Of The Debt Ceiling Debate On The U.S. Economy--Getting Worse By The Day | Americas

False premise. The gubmint cannot create wealth.

 

[BornRuff]

False premise. The gubmint cannot create wealth.

It can certainly destroy it.