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Nailed it, ts and bills C-69, C-48 and C-88 are absolute proof of that assertion.
'It is shameful to have bills such as Bill C-69, Bill C-48 and Bill C-88. Bill C-88 would give the minister the authority to shut down the north and essentially turn it into a park, taking away any economic opportunity for indigenous peoples and those who live there. That is the worry."
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Yep and this is the result of having just the Fed. Gov. in charge of project approvals

Liberal MPs Urge Trudeau To Reject Massive Alberta Oilsands Mine

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau heard an earful from his Liberal caucus Wednesday, with MPs passionately urging his cabinet not to approve Teck Resources Limited’s massive $20-billion Frontier Oil Sands Mine Project in Alberta.
Many Grit MPs, having promised voters during last fall’s election campaign that they would be an environmentally focused government, are adamantly opposed to the approval of a huge new carbon-intensive project. The proposal would see the mine north of Fort McMurray operate for 41 years, cover more than 29,200 hectares and produce about 260,000 barrels of bitumen per day.
“If we are truly committed to net zero by 2050, and to the science, and to the world, and to our future and tackling climate change,” Beaches–East York’s Nathaniel Erskine-Smith told HuffPost Canada, “there is no explanation sitting here today as to how this project fits within that commitment. So should it proceed as it stands? I think it’s a pretty easy no.”
Pontiac MP Will Amos seemed to agree.
“I think we have made significant commitments to achieve net zero by 2050,” he said. “I think we’ve made significant commitments to achieve our Paris climate commitments. … we have to meet those and my constituents demand that we meet those, and our grandchildren demand that we meet those.”
Many Liberals acknowledged that during the campaign they were frequently met with pushback from constituents incredulous at the Grits’ new environmental pledges after the Trudeau government approved not once but twice the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project — and purchased the existing pipeline to ensure the project got built.
Candidates who were eager to talk about the Trudeau government putting a price on carbon, phasing out of coal-fired electricity, curbing methane emissions, and making large investments in greener transit and clean technology were met with comments such as, “Yeah, but you bought a pipeline.”
Towards the end of the campaign, in Ontario especially where the Liberals won enough seats to form government, the party ran ads showing smokestacks and Conservative leader Andrew Scheer. The message was that Tories would rip up the Liberals climate plan and trumping their climate fighting credentials.
As parliamentary secretary for science, Amos said he was urging cabinet to have “regard for the science, have regard for climate science, have regard for the science laid out quite clearly in the joint panel report.”
Last July, a report by a Joint Review Panel found the project would result in 7,000 jobs during its construction phase and 2,500 thereafter, as well as about $70 billion worth of taxes and royalties to local, provincial and federal governments. But the project would have “significant adverse environmental effects” on wetlands, old-growth forests, wetland- and old-growth-reliant species at risk, the Ronald Lake bison herd, the Canada lynx, woodland caribou and other biodiversity. It would also significantly adversely affect Indigenous groups, their land rights, resources and culture.
The project has been estimated to produce 4.1 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent a year and, the joint panel found, might make it more difficult to achieve Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets — though it acknowledged that it did not have the scope or the authority to evaluate just what the mine’s impact might be on Canada’s international commitments or Alberta’s climate plan.
Weak energy prices a factor in project, Tech CEO says
Pickering–Uxbridge MP Jennifer O’Connell called the environment “one of the biggest issues” in her riding. The government needs to help grow the economy, she said, but “I just know that if we are going to be serious about climate change and hitting our emissions, then that is what we need to factor [into] any project and any policy we consider as a government.”
As the federal cabinet weighs approval, Teck CEO Don Lindsay said in a news release Monday that the company would set an objective to be carbon neutral by 2050. It didn’t explicitly say how it would achieve that goal. In January, Lindsay noted that even with federal approval, the project may not get built because of, among other factors, weak energy prices.
Liberal sources say some in cabinet want to explore the possibility of tying approval of the project to tougher environmental regulations in Alberta — something that would be hard, if not impossible to ensure, but could help avoid inflaming sentiments of Western alienation.
Liberal MP John McKay said he hadn’t decided one way or another where he stands on the issue. “I’m at sixes and sevens; I haven’t come around to it.”
Others, such as parliamentary secretaries Joël Lightbound, from Louis-Hébert, Que., and Adam van Koeverden, from Milton, Ont., said they did not want to comment on the Teck mine. “I’m listening with my ears and gathering as much information as I can,” Van Koeverden offered.
I think it’s a challenge.Liberal MP Peter Schiefke
Peter Schiefke, the parliamentary secretary to the minister of the environment and climate change, said he is confident the cabinet will take “everything under consideration.”
“I think it’s a challenge, I think one of the things we have to do as a government, which we’ve pledged to Canadians, is find that balance between economic growth and environmental protection, and the decision rendered by cabinet is going to have to be one that finds that balance.” He noted that he would support cabinet whatever it decides.
“I know that they’ve listened to all of us and also looked at all the options on the table in rendering that decision.”
Erskine-Smith said he believes the government could show Albertans it is serious about their future by “putting lots of money” into a “Just Transition Act” to help citizens and workers. It isn’t a wise strategy to approve projects hoping they don’t get built, he said.
“The legacy that we leave in this place will be on climate action. I truly believe that. If we are not leading the world on this, I’m not really sure what we are doing.”

Secretary of Science? wtf?

With FN 30% stake in the project they are telling FN they know better than them what's right for them. This is the problem that we have an area the size of a postage stamp in our country is going to decide what is good for us, and our economy Bill C-69 is the worst legislation ever to come out of this Gov. handing the Western resource industry's future over to a bunch of snowflakes is bad for business
 

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Yep and this is the result of having just the Fed. Gov. in charge of project approvals

Liberal MPs Urge Trudeau To Reject Massive Alberta Oilsands Mine



Secretary of Science? wtf?

With FN 30% stake in the project they are telling FN they know better than them what's right for them. This is the problem that we have an area the size of a postage stamp in our country is going to decide what is good for us, and our economy Bill C-69 is the worst legislation ever to come out of this Gov. handing the Western resource industry's future over to a bunch of snowflakes is bad for business
Yes cleaning up a massive oil spill is bad for the environment. Only in Canada .
 

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Rex Murphy: The Liberals are pouring kerosene on the flames of Western separation

"If they say no to this project, then they are signalling … that he (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau) wants to phase out the oilsands,” Kenney said.
It was not a sentence I was prepared to read. Not even in the central Canadian press.
The sentence was this: Canada is preparing an aid package for Alberta.
Let me detail how wrong this is, and outrageous.
Where did this “Canada” come from? The Liberal government is not Canada. And everyone in Canada except, perhaps, the Liberal government, knows this.
The headline should read: The minority government of Justin Trudeau, having already strangled Alberta’s energy industry with pipeline bans and carbon taxes, has come up with a new, most devastating insult to that province. It is contemplating an “aid package” (UN administered?) in the event it makes the most bottomlessly stupid decision in the history of the country and denies the go-ahead to the Teck mine.
Completely rewritten headline with same meaning: Trudeau government mulls speeding up Western separation. Bright Toronto backbencher has brilliant idea: “I know. Let’s cancel the $20-billion Teck oilsands mine and all its good-paying jobs and send every Albertan a copy of Coding for Dummies. For free. A few for the farmers as well. We can call it an aid package.” Chuckles from the back of the caucus. Wide grins in front.
This “aid package” formulation deserves an emphasis. What is this about Canada preparing an aid package for Alberta? We send aid packages to foreign countries, usually after great disasters.
Alberta is not a foreign country. Alberta is in Canada. Alberta is part of Canada. Alberta is a province of Canada. Jason Kenney, however much the Liberals might wish it, is not the premier of Yugoslavia or Ethiopia. No really, he isn’t. He’s the premier of the Canadian province of Alberta.
Have you read ever of “aid packages” being sent to Quebec for SNC-Lavalin, or Bombardier? To Ontario for big auto companies?
Here’s what a real person, making an online comment about the story in the Post, said about the aid package, which is the weasel term for welfare, to Alberta workers: “We don’t want welfare, we want work , and the self-respect and community-building opportunities that honest work brings.” (The emphasis is mine.) Everything this government needs to know about Alberta is in that sentence.
A news story tells me that Chrystia Freeland, and Natural Resources Minister Seamus O’Regan are widely believed to be “tilting” toward approving Teck’s Frontier mine project. And just how far off the perpendicular would that be? Are they at an angle of 85 degrees yet? Will their tilt graduate to a full lean? Will they recur and stabilize? Who knows?
That’s just what Canada needs now. More cabinet ministers who are willing to be “widely believed” by “sources” to be “tilting” in favour of a project that over time would bring $70 billion to a province and ever so many thousands of jobs. Real Horatio at the bridge stuff, profiles in courage, gallantry under fire. It takes great stomach to tilt towards jobs, work, dignity. And face down the How Dare You banshee.
Denying the Teck mine project in the current political and economic atmosphere would be unspeakably stupid. And dangerous. Which is why this other sentence in the same report is staggering: “There will be a big fight inside cabinet over this.”
There well might be a “big fight” in cabinet. But, why, in the name of the Lord, why? There will only be a fight if there are those in that cabinet determined to push Alberta out of Confederation, and engender the most intense resentment and anger that province has ever felt, by choking a $20-billion project.
Just to slake the fanaticism of the wildest climate worshippers and earn the fluttering approval of a couple of out-of-country folk singers and yacht-housed movie stars.
What is the possible “thinking” around this? Is there a faction which thinks you can build a Confederation around banning plastic straws, multiplying bicycle paths and manufacturing yoga mats? Plus slopping out million-dollar subsidies to billionaire grocery chains headquartered in Toronto? Stephen Leacock, Stephen Leacock, where are you now that we need you? Sunny Day Sketches of a Small Mind awaits your pen.
Has the insight descended that our fine Confederation is overcrowded with farmers and fishermen and miners and oil workers, people who like to work for a living, and that the first smell of any needed resource development sets off an alarm in the PMO? Tax it. Regulate it. Protest it. Kill it. Now there’s a philosophy for a new Canada.
Global warming. Global warming. Global warming.
The fact that this present government, penalized to minority status, even thinks sending an aid package in place of a major project approval is appalling. It is incompetence in all its intellectual rags exchanging wedding vows with toxic recklessness. The idea of an “aid package” to our most productive province is blissfully disdainful. It’s loading the water bomber sent out to curb the flames of separatism with kerosene.
Here’s what should happen.
The full cabinet should go to Edmonton at the end of the month and announce that to its immense delight and pride it has approved Teck’s Frontier mine; and more than that, speak out loud about how it is supersaturated with gratitude and has extended a real hand to a province too long on the second tier of Confederation.
That after 10 and more years of the oil industry and its workers getting beaten up by the insanity of pipeline embargoes and witless protests, your government has finally seen the light.
That work is good for people, energy is a necessary and worthy commodity and the Canadian government 100 per cent backs the industry, and Alberta is once again welcome, welcome, welcome in the Confederation.
And, finally, that “aid package” is deep in a place where the sun will never shine.
 

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Does anyone honestly believe this project is going to be approved? The Liberals have been clearly and concisely telegraphing their intent for the last two weeks with talks of aid packages for AB, headlines of Liberal MP's urging Trudeau to reject the mine....and now Liberal "special prairie representative" Jim Carr moving the goalposts by now declaring that the project must achieve zero emissions in order to be approved....a ridiculous and impossible requirement. Canadians are being played for fools by a circus clown who's currently on a world tour racking up the Canadian credit card, giving away millions of dollars we don't have to third world countries to promote gender equality.

My prediction...Trudeau and the Liberals will defer a decision and drag this out another couple of months, then they will kill it outright. Is there anyone out there who honestly believes this is going to go any other way? This country is being torn to shreds by Trudeau and his destructive foolishness.
 

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It's going to take a strong Indigenous voice that are partnered and benefiting from the project for it to have a remote chance. That would slam the Lib. narrative that the cancellation of the project is for native concerns, and put it squarely up against the economy/Carbon argument.
 

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It's going to take a strong Indigenous voice that are partnered and benefiting from the project for it to have a remote chance. That would slam the Lib. narrative that the cancellation of the project is for native concerns, and put it squarely up against the economy/Carbon argument.


the Indigenous voice is a perfect reflection and microcosm of the larger overall situation, it's divided between overwhelming positive support coming from first nations who will directly benefit from the project, versus Indigenous groups outside of Alberta who won't be impacted one way or the other in the least but are loudly protesting against it... groups who are quite likely being supported by foreign groups who have a larger agenda. The fact that the indigenous support has the appearance of being divided makes it easy for Trudeau to cancel it.

Teck is done...and so is national unity.
 
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the Indigenous voice is a perfect reflection and microcosm of the larger overall situation, it's divided between overwhelming positive support coming from first nations who will directly benefit from the project, versus Indigenous groups outside of Alberta who won't be impacted one way or the other in the least but are loudly protesting against it... groups who are quite likely being supported by foreign groups who have a larger agenda. The fact that the indigenous support has the appearance of being divided makes it easy for Trudeau to cancel it.

Teck is done...and so is national unity.
The government needs Tech , they supply China with coal .
 

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It's going to take a strong Indigenous voice that are partnered and benefiting from the project for it to have a remote chance. That would slam the Lib. narrative that the cancellation of the project is for native concerns, and put it squarely up against the economy/Carbon argument.


I disagree, all it takes is a national leader that has intelligence and a spine, not the former, failed, part-time, substitute drama teacher and snow board instructor
 

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I disagree, all it takes is a national leader that has intelligence and a spine, not the former, failed, part-time, substitute drama teacher and snow board instructor
Come now Gerry Butts is the power behind the thrown .
 

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Last-minute negotiations settle a First Nation's concerns over the Teck Frontier oilsands mine


The Alberta government has resolved a First Nation's concerns over the Teck Frontier mine, eliminating one obstacle that could have blocked the project's approval.

The provincial government and the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation (ACFN) reached an agreement over the weekend after a bitter public dispute between the two parties. The down-to-the-wire negotiations ended ahead of the Liberals' decision on the fate of the $20.6-billion mega-mine this week.

"Given the recent discussions with the Alberta government and their fresh and positive approach," Chief Allan Adam said in a news release. "We reconfirm our support of the project and encourage the Canadian government to approve the project without further delay."

Adam said his nation and the Alberta government have agreed on a "comprehensive and meaningful package of action items," but the news release doesn't state what those items are.

ACFN had accused the province of Alberta dragging their feet on the Dené nation's concerns over water, bison habitat and the need for financial compensation for land rights. The provincial government said that it has been in dialogue with the nation and accused the band's Chief Adam of being primarily concerned with money.

Each accused the other of delays that could block the project.

In July, a federal-provincial environmental panel recommended the approval of the Teck Frontier mine. The mine would disturb 292 square kilometres of pristine wetlands and boreal forest — an area half the size of the city of Edmonton — over its 40-year lifespan, although Vancouver-based Teck Resources would not begin mining the whole area all at once.

Two weeks ago, CBC obtained a letter Adam wrote to federal Environment Minister Jonathan Wilkinson. The letter stated it was unlikely ACFN's concerns would be resolved within the prescribed timelines. This disagreement, a federal government source told CBC then, would weigh on the government's decision to approve the mine.

The end to this public battle gives opponents of Teck Frontier one less argument. Conversely, it arms the project's cheerleaders with the backing to honestly say all 14 Alberta Métis and First Nations in the immediate sphere of the project support it. Another band in the shadow of the project, the Mikisew Cree First Nation, also issued a press release Friday reiterating its support.

The Liberal caucus is divided over the issue.

Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith told CBC Radio's The House Canada would not be able to meet its net-zero emission target by 2050 if Teck Frontier was approved. On that front, it was announced Friday that Alberta Environment Minister Jason Nixon would enforce a cap on oilsands emissions, which may alleviate concerns over Teck Frontier's greenhouse gas footprint.

Teck estimates the project would emit about four million tonnes of direct carbon emissions per year. One environmental group, the Oilsands Environmental Coalition (OSEC), estimated that it would be the equivalent of adding 891,000 cars to roadways.


www.cbc.ca/news/politics/last-minute-negotiations-settle-a-first-nation-s-concerns-over-the-teck-frontier-oilsands-mine-1.5473170
 

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It's going to take a strong Indigenous voice that are partnered and benefiting from the project for it to have a remote chance. That would slam the Lib. narrative that the cancellation of the project is for native concerns, and put it squarely up against the economy/Carbon argument.


Want a strong indigenous voice - get Calvin Helin - though the lefty FN activists will howl as the man is known for telling it like it is when it comes to FNs and their affairs.

Canada’s Most Powerful Business People 2016: #39 — Calvin Helin





#39: Calvin Helin

President, Eagle Spirit Energy
Why he matters: Secured First Nations support for pipelines
@CalvinHelin 1,770,000 followers

How smart companies work with First Nations to get resource deals done In September, Calvin Helin’s Eagle Spirit Energy confirmed that it has something rival oil pipeline projects do not: consent from all the First Nations chiefs along the route of an energy corridor from Alberta to the Pacific Coast. That’s a huge step, but Helin needs to bring industry onside. Eagle Spirit hasn’t built or operated a pipeline before; it may take the final collapse of Enbridge’s Northern Gateway and Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Expansion for Helin’s company to succeed.

www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-rankings/most-powerful-people/39-2015-calvin-helin-eagle-spirit-energy/
 

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Teck has already said it is not doing the project if oil is under $75
 

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Does anyone honestly believe this project is going to be approved? The Liberals have been clearly and concisely telegraphing their intent for the last two weeks with talks of aid packages for AB, headlines of Liberal MP's urging Trudeau to reject the mine....and now Liberal "special prairie representative" Jim Carr moving the goalposts by now declaring that the project must achieve zero emissions in order to be approved....a ridiculous and impossible requirement. Canadians are being played for fools by a circus clown who's currently on a world tour racking up the Canadian credit card, giving away millions of dollars we don't have to third world countries to promote gender equality.

My prediction...Trudeau and the Liberals will defer a decision and drag this out another couple of months, then they will kill it outright. Is there anyone out there who honestly believes this is going to go any other way? This country is being torn to shreds by Trudeau and his destructive foolishness.


I hate to say I told you so, but....

The $20B Frontier mine shelved amid escalating rail blockades, CEO says Canada must reconcile climate and oil

This country is truly broken. Anyone who still believes a resource project can get finished in this country is a fool. Five and a half years.... that's all it took for Trudeau to destroy the economy of this country. Once he introduces UNDRIP legislation to include indigenous veto power of any future project in Canada, his demented strategy to sink all future investment in our resource economy will be securely cemented in place.
 
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