Tarsands 'most destructive project on Earth': report

darkbeaver

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I certainly don't know DB but its an excellent question.
I guess they are all bad and its really a case of the worst of the worst.

Perhaps the worst project is the one that's planned to go into your own back yard.
We are all NIMBY's.
And we all contribute to sucking up the resources.

I am no apologist for corporations that take and take and then walk away from the damage that remains.
I just think we should be realistic and factually correct in our assessments.

As to how to measure the worst of the worst?
No clue.
But it will probably be to late and after the fact.

Trex

Three gorges damn rates as a bad idea in the long run but six billion of us are very busy all over the planet, like you say we should be realistic and correct in our assessments especially since the margin for error seems to be shrinking with respects to overall human activity. To late and after the fact is something I would avoid in our case, the too late could have been decades ago right. I am thinking there's a rock out there anyway.
 

#juan

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Trex

First of all, I don't think I cut and pasted anything on this particular topic.

Secondly, I spent a few years in Fort Mac in the sixties and I know what a bloody mess it is. I have since flown over the area dozens of times and it is truly disgusting.

You talk about moonscapes in China or Russia. That is the best way to describe the tar sands projects. Great ugly moonscapes.

The tar sands are big because Alberta is hooked on the damn stuff regardless what it does to the area that used to be forest.

Hell. American politicians want to boycott oil from the tar sands because of the damage to the environment.

2008 - Canada's Tar Sands - What the government doesn't want you to know
 

Risus

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Trex

First of all, I don't think I cut and pasted anything on this particular topic.

Secondly, I spent a few years in Fort Mac in the sixties and I know what a bloody mess it is. I have since flown over the area dozens of times and it is truly disgusting.

You talk about moonscapes in China or Russia. That is the best way to describe the tar sands projects. Great ugly moonscapes.

The tar sands are big because Alberta is hooked on the damn stuff regardless what it does to the area that used to be forest.

Hell. American politicians want to boycott oil from the tar sands because of the damage to the environment.

2008 - Canada's Tar Sands - What the government doesn't want you to know

And how many people will actually see these 'Great ugly moonscapes'??? I would rather have gas for my truck...
 

#juan

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And how many people will actually see these 'Great ugly moonscapes'??? I would rather have gas for my truck...

An incredibly shallow view. The rape of the tar sand deposits is not being done so that you can buy gas for your truck.....it is so that Americans can have gas for all their trucks regardless of the damage is causes.
 

scratch

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What I don't understand is how the Tarsands Project got around the very strict rules imposed on the mining companies of `Polar Ice`.
 

Trex

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Trex

First of all, I don't think I cut and pasted anything on this particular topic.

Secondly, I spent a few years in Fort Mac in the sixties and I know what a bloody mess it is. I have since flown over the area dozens of times and it is truly disgusting.

You talk about moonscapes in China or Russia. That is the best way to describe the tar sands projects. Great ugly moonscapes.

The tar sands are big because Alberta is hooked on the damn stuff regardless what it does to the area that used to be forest.

Hell. American politicians want to boycott oil from the tar sands because of the damage to the environment.

2008 - Canada's Tar Sands - What the government doesn't want you to know

Actually Juan I was not referring to you when I made that comment to Scratch.
I never meant to give the impression you were a cut and paste artist.
We may disagree but I believe we more or less speak for ourselves.
I was pointing out to Scratch that say compared to this guy:
View Profile: ahmadabdalrhman at Canadian Content

I feel I am short and to the point.

Trex
 

mt_pockets1000

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An incredibly shallow view. The rape of the tar sand deposits is not being done so that you can buy gas for your truck.....it is so that Americans can have gas for all their trucks regardless of the damage is causes.


Excuse my 'cut and paste' but to illustrate a point.....

The biggest oil guzzler? The Pentagon

Jen Dimascio | July 24

Politico - So, you think you’ve got the gas prices blues. Just consider Al Shaffer, the man in charge of drafting an energy strategy for the gas-*guzzling Pentagon.
With wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and troops spread around the world, the Department of Defense is the nation’s biggest oil consumer, burning 395,000 barrels per day — about as much as Greece.
The Air Force is the SUV of the military. Its thirsty planes burn more than half the fuel supply for the entire U.S. military. It’s received $1.5 billion in new relief from Congress for fuel — and last week still had $400 million left on its credit card.
Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), who formed a Defense Energy Working Group, seized on the issue in 2004 after learning that the Army’s Stryker combat vehicles got only 5 miles per gallon of gas.
He cited national security as another reason to conserve fuel.
Here is our current defense posture,” Israel said. “We are borrowing money from China to fund our defense budgets to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to fund our military to protect us from China and the Persian Gulf. It is an insidious vulnerability.
 

darkbeaver

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It is literally the truth that the tar sands will provide the fuel for the conquest of Canada. I think we have a problem with our leadership in this country. Maybe we could have an election and discuss this issues