Tar sands = filthy dirty bitumen "oil"

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Let's see Alta, BC do this. Cap wells permanently.

The Associated Press: Washington cracks down on abandoned Gulf wells

Washington cracks down on abandoned Gulf wells

By HARRY R. WEBER and MATTHEW DALY (AP) – 6 hours ago

KENNER, La. — The Obama administration moved to head off another catastrophic leak like the BP disaster Wednesday, ordering oil and gas companies in the Gulf of Mexico to plug or dismantle thousands of wells and platforms no longer in use.

The move came as the government's point man for the oil spill said BP's blown-out well should be pronounced dead by Sunday.

In Washington, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar issued an order requiring oil and gas companies to plug nearly 3,500 nonproducing wells and dismantle about 650 production platforms that are longer being used.

The threat posed by the wells was detailed earlier this summer in an Associated Press investigation. The Gulf has more than 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells and more than 1,200 idle rigs and platforms, and AP found that many of the wells have been ignored for decades, with no one checking for leaks.

Michael Bromwich, director of the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement, said the Obama administration crackdown was under consideration long before the Deepwater Horizon explosion.

"As infrastructure continues to age, the risk of damage increases. That risk increases substantially during storm season," he said.

Under the order, operators must plug wells that been inactive for the past five years. Platforms and pipelines that are not being used for production or exploration must be decommissioned, even if the leases are still active.

Current federal regulations require idle structures to be decommissioned — a process that involves plugging wells and dismantling and removing equipment — within one year of the lease's expiration date.

Oil and gas producers have long argued that certain idle platforms, wells and pipelines are still valuable, because they might one day be used to support other wells nearby. Oil companies have been reluctant to plug the wells and remove the infrastructure until the lease expires.

Randall Luthi, president of the National Ocean Industries Association, an offshore drilling group, welcomed the new order, which he said had been in the works for at least two years.

"Now, as then, the offshore industry is committed to safe operations, both during and after exploration and production, and this includes responsible removal of structures and plugging of wells," said Luthi, a former head of the Minerals Management Service, the agency that oversaw offshore drilling before it was overhauled and renamed as a result of the BP disaster.

But he said the Obama administration "must also assist in clearing the path so such operations can be done quickly, smoothly and in an environmentally responsible manner."

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., who had urged Salazar to do something about idle rigs, called the announcement excellent news for both the economy and the environment.

"These structures are not producing resources or creating jobs by just sitting there, and the risk of leaking abandoned rigs is something we've overlooked long enough," said Grijalva, chairman of a House subcommittee on national parks and public lands. "This announcement should put thousands of Gulf laborers back to work in short order cleaning up the Gulf and opening up new opportunities."
Meanwhile, retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government official overseeing the crisis in the Gulf, said the relief well BP has been drilling all summer long should intersect the ruptured well within 24 hours. He said mud and cement will then be pumped in, sealing the hole once and for all by Sunday.

"We are within a 96-hour window of killing the well," Allen said nearly five months after the disaster unfolded with an explosion aboard an offshore drilling rig April 20 that killed 11 workers.

No oil has spewed into the Gulf since a temporary cap was put on the busted BP well in mid-July. Mud and cement were later pushed down through the top of the well, allowing the cap to be removed. The relief well is being drilled 2 1/2 miles through dirt and rock beneath the sea floor so that the ruptured well can also be sealed from the bottom, ensuring it never causes a problem again.
As of Wednesday morning, crews had only 20 feet left to drill.

The spill of more than 200 million gallons of oil led to closer scrutiny of the thousands of other wells in the Gulf, stoked anger toward BP and cost CEO Tony Hayward his job.

On Wednesday, testifying before a British parliamentary committee, Hayward insisted his company had a strong safety record and was not solely to blame for the disaster. But he also acknowledged: "I understand why people feel the way they do, and there is little doubt that the inability of BP, and the industry, to intervene to seal the leak ... was unacceptable."

Allen announced that he will step down as incident commander for the oil spill on Oct. 1 — the same day BP installs American Bob Dudley in Hayward's place. Allen will be succeeded by Coast Guard Rear Adm. Paul Zukunft. Allen said the timing of his departure is unrelated to BP's leadership change.

"I worked well with Tony Hayward and I work well with Bob Dudley," Allen said. "I like to think I work well with anybody."

Appearing with Allen at a seafood distributorship in Kenner, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration chief Jane Lubchenco said monitoring continues of oil that remains in the Gulf.

Scientists said earlier this week that they had found thick patches of oil coating the sea floor, raising questions about government conclusions that much of the mess has broken down and is gone. Testing is under way to establish conclusively whether the oil on the sea floor is from the BP spill.

Allen and Lubchenco sought to reassure the public that seafood from the Gulf is safe to eat. Allen said he has eaten Gulf seafood every day for the past several days.

Matthew Daly contributed from Washington. Associated Press writer David Stringer in London also contributed.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 

Kakato

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and, of course, Suncor doesn't.



riiiiiiiiight.:roll:




What does what I do for a living have to do with me feeling that a better job could and should be done by the oil company's and the Alberta government. You and cappy seem to think that if one criticizes the mighty oil company's and/or the Alberta government and the environmental job they are doing then that person should be willing to forgo all gas and oil products and go live in the bush. A very simplistic outlook from a pair of simpletons.
Alberta's energy companies are doing better then most energy companies anywhere in the world where reclamation is concerned,you keep focusing on Alberta though and past wrongs which are being made right as we type.
Your so negative and ignore anything positive,you lose a bid at one of the oilsands ger?
 

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Alberta's energy companies are doing better then most energy companies anywhere in the world where reclamation is concerned,you keep focusing on Alberta though and past wrongs which are being made right as we type.
Your so negative and ignore anything positive,you lose a bid at one of the oilsands ger?


:roll: simpletons
 

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Alberta's energy companies are doing better then most energy companies anywhere in the world where reclamation is concerned,you keep focusing on Alberta though and past wrongs which are being made right as we type.
Your so negative and ignore anything positive,you lose a bid at one of the oilsands ger?

As usual, no links. More corporate bumpf. Maybe better than Kazahkastan or some other despotic state.
 

Kakato

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Let's see Alta, BC do this. Cap wells permanently.

The Associated Press: Washington cracks down on abandoned Gulf wells

Washington cracks down on abandoned Gulf wells

By HARRY R. WEBER and MATTHEW DALY (AP) – 6 hours ago

KENNER, La. — The Obama administration moved to head off another catastrophic leak like the BP disaster Wednesday, ordering oil and gas companies in the Gulf of Mexico to plug or dismantle thousands of wells and platforms no longer in use.

The move came as the government's point man for the oil spill said BP's blown-out well should be pronounced dead by Sunday.

In Washington, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar issued an order requiring oil and gas companies to plug nearly 3,500 nonproducing wells and dismantle about 650 production platforms that are longer being used.

The threat posed by the wells was detailed earlier this summer in an Associated Press investigation. The Gulf has more than 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells and more than 1,200 idle rigs and platforms, and AP found that many of the wells have been ignored for decades, with no one checking for leaks.

Michael Bromwich, director of the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement, said the Obama administration crackdown was under consideration long before the Deepwater Horizon explosion.

"As infrastructure continues to age, the risk of damage increases. That risk increases substantially during storm season," he said.

Under the order, operators must plug wells that been inactive for the past five years. Platforms and pipelines that are not being used for production or exploration must be decommissioned, even if the leases are still active.

Current federal regulations require idle structures to be decommissioned — a process that involves plugging wells and dismantling and removing equipment — within one year of the lease's expiration date.

Oil and gas producers have long argued that certain idle platforms, wells and pipelines are still valuable, because they might one day be used to support other wells nearby. Oil companies have been reluctant to plug the wells and remove the infrastructure until the lease expires.

Randall Luthi, president of the National Ocean Industries Association, an offshore drilling group, welcomed the new order, which he said had been in the works for at least two years.

"Now, as then, the offshore industry is committed to safe operations, both during and after exploration and production, and this includes responsible removal of structures and plugging of wells," said Luthi, a former head of the Minerals Management Service, the agency that oversaw offshore drilling before it was overhauled and renamed as a result of the BP disaster.

But he said the Obama administration "must also assist in clearing the path so such operations can be done quickly, smoothly and in an environmentally responsible manner."

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., who had urged Salazar to do something about idle rigs, called the announcement excellent news for both the economy and the environment.

"These structures are not producing resources or creating jobs by just sitting there, and the risk of leaking abandoned rigs is something we've overlooked long enough," said Grijalva, chairman of a House subcommittee on national parks and public lands. "This announcement should put thousands of Gulf laborers back to work in short order cleaning up the Gulf and opening up new opportunities."
Meanwhile, retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government official overseeing the crisis in the Gulf, said the relief well BP has been drilling all summer long should intersect the ruptured well within 24 hours. He said mud and cement will then be pumped in, sealing the hole once and for all by Sunday.

"We are within a 96-hour window of killing the well," Allen said nearly five months after the disaster unfolded with an explosion aboard an offshore drilling rig April 20 that killed 11 workers.

No oil has spewed into the Gulf since a temporary cap was put on the busted BP well in mid-July. Mud and cement were later pushed down through the top of the well, allowing the cap to be removed. The relief well is being drilled 2 1/2 miles through dirt and rock beneath the sea floor so that the ruptured well can also be sealed from the bottom, ensuring it never causes a problem again.
As of Wednesday morning, crews had only 20 feet left to drill.

The spill of more than 200 million gallons of oil led to closer scrutiny of the thousands of other wells in the Gulf, stoked anger toward BP and cost CEO Tony Hayward his job.

On Wednesday, testifying before a British parliamentary committee, Hayward insisted his company had a strong safety record and was not solely to blame for the disaster. But he also acknowledged: "I understand why people feel the way they do, and there is little doubt that the inability of BP, and the industry, to intervene to seal the leak ... was unacceptable."

Allen announced that he will step down as incident commander for the oil spill on Oct. 1 — the same day BP installs American Bob Dudley in Hayward's place. Allen will be succeeded by Coast Guard Rear Adm. Paul Zukunft. Allen said the timing of his departure is unrelated to BP's leadership change.

"I worked well with Tony Hayward and I work well with Bob Dudley," Allen said. "I like to think I work well with anybody."

Appearing with Allen at a seafood distributorship in Kenner, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration chief Jane Lubchenco said monitoring continues of oil that remains in the Gulf.

Scientists said earlier this week that they had found thick patches of oil coating the sea floor, raising questions about government conclusions that much of the mess has broken down and is gone. Testing is under way to establish conclusively whether the oil on the sea floor is from the BP spill.

Allen and Lubchenco sought to reassure the public that seafood from the Gulf is safe to eat. Allen said he has eaten Gulf seafood every day for the past several days.

Matthew Daly contributed from Washington. Associated Press writer David Stringer in London also contributed.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Ummm,they do and have been for years,nice try,do more research next time before you waste your time on a long cut n paste.
We also dont have any "offshore" wells in Alberta. So once again someone is comparing Albert to the rest of the world and hasnt a single clue to what we do here in Alberta right now.
Shame shame.

As usual, no links. More corporate bumpf. Maybe better than Kazahkastan or some other despotic state.

Do some research,im not wasting my time discussing anything with you if your not even up on the topic at hand.

I also dont work for any of the oilsands energy biggies,I work for a smaller outfit that cleans up things for them so your corporate dig is another zero.

:roll: simpletons

Yes,like usuall all you have left is an insult.:roll:
 

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I have links, so I insult. You have nothing, and blab uselessly and feel offended. Projecting the image that business is trying so hard and mean people are persecuting little old us. Comic.
I post links and you keep asking for links,maybe try reading the posts.
I'm not projecting any image,just posting facts.
Once again,I dont work for suncor or syncrude,try and get that through your head,i'm not a fan of big companies,try and get that through your head also as you keep making yourself look foolish by assuming I do.

I clean up the mess these companies make,that simple enough for ya?

Comprend?

Ya, most bi-polars would see it that way. Still off your meds? You might want to reconsider that.

You mean my high blood pressure pills?

You still doing the bi thing?Still smoking pole?

And no,i'm not interested.
 

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More can be done to protect environment during energy production:US ambassador - Winnipeg Free Press

More can be done to protect environment during energy production:US ambassador

By: The Canadian Press
Posted: 14/09/2010 6:52 PM

SASKATOON - The U.S. ambassador to Canada says energy companies need to do more to protect the environment.
"They need to more than what simply government demands of them, they need to act in a way so that they are the best possible stewards of the environment," David Jacobson said Tuesday in Saskatoon.
The U.S. and Canada are the largest energy trading partners in the world, he said. The United States gets 20 per cent of its oil, 80 per cent of its natural gas and all of its electricity imports from Canada.
Tragedies like the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will hopefully lead to a push to make energy production less harmful to the environment.
Jacobson also pointed out that more effort is needed to better co-ordinate research between the U.S. and Canada.
 

Kakato

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More can be done to protect environment during energy production:US ambassador - Winnipeg Free Press

More can be done to protect environment during energy production:US ambassador

By: The Canadian Press
Posted: 14/09/2010 6:52 PM

SASKATOON - The U.S. ambassador to Canada says energy companies need to do more to protect the environment.
"They need to more than what simply government demands of them, they need to act in a way so that they are the best possible stewards of the environment," David Jacobson said Tuesday in Saskatoon.
The U.S. and Canada are the largest energy trading partners in the world, he said. The United States gets 20 per cent of its oil, 80 per cent of its natural gas and all of its electricity imports from Canada.
Tragedies like the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will hopefully lead to a push to make energy production less harmful to the environment.
Jacobson also pointed out that more effort is needed to better co-ordinate research between the U.S. and Canada.

Nobodys going to disagree with you there.
 

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Yet the wildlife are thriving at mildred better then the land that is undisturbed by mining.

And I assume, you have a source from an "unbiased report" as you called this one, one that shows this claim about wildlife to be true? I'm skeptical.

The microbes will come back on their own,like thats going to harm anything anyway.
Yes, but if the soil conditions are worse, then they won't come back as strong. The community won't be as robust.

So ya,as far as wildlife and the well being of the wildlife,it is good reclamation and considering how long ago it happenned and the technology they didnt have that we have now I think they did a pretty good job.
I'm not saying that they didn't do a good job. I'm saying they didn't return the land to it to a similar level of functionality, and they certainly didn't make it better. If you missed it, that's what Captain Morgan claimed, much like you and kryptic had claimed in the other thread.
 

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I should have said,another insult as it seems thats all you got when you got nothing.

Just heard on the radio that Suncor announced the complete and successful reclamation of one of the tailings ponds.

How much you wanna bet that the resident hypocrites won't accept that because I didn't supply a link or that they'll move the goal posts and demand that the area be transformed into the tropics.

I wonder what kind of rhetoric Cliffy will have to offer on this one?

And I assume, you have a source from an "unbiased report" as you called this one, one that shows this claim about wildlife to be true? I'm skeptical.

... Like the Pembina Institute or GreenPeace?


I'm not saying that they didn't do a good job. I'm saying they didn't return the land to it to a similar level of functionality, and they certainly didn't make it better. If you missed it, that's what Captain Morgan claimed, much like you and kryptic had claimed in the other thread.

You've never seen, or better yet, visited this region. You aggressively seek the sensationalist pap by biased groups and then pretend that this is fact... This is your MO on all issues, establish your predetermined outcome and select a convenient "science" to fit it.

Suncor just announced the successful reclamation of one of their tailings ponds.. I'm going to predict that you'll challenge it via moving the goal posts..

Big surprise there.
 

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... Like the Pembina Institute or GreenPeace?

You'll have to ask Kakato that. My use of quotations was using the same words he did about the report which in fact falsified his claims.

This is your MO on all issues, establish your predetermined outcome and select a convenient "science" to fit it.
You don't even know what science is. I'm asking him for his, remember? You can't even understand the burden of proof.

YOU claimed that the land is left in better shape, and you haven't provided any evidence at all. Kakato claimed the same, and the report he cited was evidence against what he claimed.

If anyone is guilty of establishing a pre-determined outcome, and trying to select science that conveniently fits, it Kakato. And he failed miserably even trying to cite science that fit his pre-determined outcome.

And you can't even cite science. You just claim things willy nilly.

So spare us your ignorant lectures. You have shown that you have zero credibility on understanding scientific issues, and how they are resolved, or even undertaken.

Suncor just announced the successful reclamation of one of their tailings ponds.
So? It's just when people like you say they leave it in better condition than they left it, it's unwarranted.

It makes me wonder where the talking point comes from that you uncritically parrot.
 

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You don't even know what science is. I'm asking him for his, remember? You can't even understand the burden of proof.


Sure I do, science is your religion... Didn't Petros make that clear?

YOU claimed that the land is left in better shape, and you haven't provided any evidence at all. Kakato claimed the same, and the report he cited was evidence against what he claimed.


It is. In terms of the oil sands, in particluar, those areas wherein the hydrocarbons were at (or just below) surface.. That is what I was talking about and made clear.

Unless your desire is that the lands be returned to the oily quagmire that they were before development is your definition of how you want it to be returned, then, yeah, it will be better.

If anyone is guilty of establishing a pre-determined outcome, and trying to select science that conveniently fits, it Kakato. And he failed miserably even trying to cite science that fit his pre-determined outcome.

Unlike yourself, Kakato is speaking from first-hand experience in terms of the reclamation industry as well as the region... Based on your obvious shortcomings, you fail in epic proportions every time you get rolling on the environment.

You, on the other hand, speak from a perspective that is ten times removed wherein your "science" is based on what Greenpeace wants you to believe... What a raging success that is for "science".

And you can't even cite science. You just claim things willy nilly.

I don't buy into your cult.

So spare us your ignorant lectures. You have shown that you have zero credibility on understanding scientific issues, and how they are resolved, or even undertaken.


Funny... I'll bet that you get a lot of nose bleeds preaching from your soap-box.



It makes me wonder where the talking point comes from that you uncritically parrot.


Great comment.. It reeks of the notion that only your perspective is "critical".. As we've seen, you're just a low-level storm trooper for whatever eco-fringe group you happen to get exposed to... Hell, you can't think for yourself on this one, had you been able to, you actually go these sites and practice your religion first hand. Instead, it's a skewed research in the eco-journals for a position that you want and then ape the same sad little line.
 

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Unless your desire is that the lands be returned to the oily quagmire that they were before development is your definition of how you want it to be returned, then, yeah, it will be better.

See, you can't even comment legibly on what I have said. I don't want the lands returned to an oily quagmire. I just take exceptions to unfounded claims.

You still haven't cited anything to support your claims.

When it comes to science, you fail spectacularly.
 

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Sure buddy... I can tell by you compelling argument that you have a very weak platform from which to sermonize.

Get busy on Google Scholar, Google Eco or Google Propoganda and source the "studies" that fit your preconceived conclusions... Just bear in mind that it is not a substitute for first hand experience,... But, that's never stopped you before, has it?
 

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I've actually sampled soil...have you?

I've already quoted from a study that Kakato posted. Have you used any science to support a position?

The weak platform is the one which has no support. That would be you...
 

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I've actually sampled soil...have you?

I've already quoted from a study that Kakato posted. Have you used any science to support a position?

The weak platform is the one which has no support. That would be you...

With Kakato's years of hands on experience in the industry, I think it would be wise to accept his evaluation as his credibility is about as high as it gets. :smile: