Syria's protests have escalated.
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If you were a Syrian and you see the West helping the Rebels in Libya you must be wondering why is the West not helping my people?
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I agree. Blocking humanitarian assistance is a war crime and possibly a crime against humanity:
U.N. Chief Says Israel Is Blocking Most Gaza Aid
U.N. Chief Says Israel Is Blocking Most Gaza Aid - NYTimes.com
Shooting unarmed protesters should be a war crime. FYI: Not all Syrians who are against the Syrian government are unarmed:
Syria reports 120 security forces killed by 'gangs' in northern town - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Currently the Syrian death toll is comparable the Gaza death toll during Israel's Operation Cast Lead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#Casualties
and far less than US estimates regarding the Iraq war:
BTW, I am on the side of the Syrian people and support their democratic aspirations. I am against all war crimes and crimes against humanity, starting unprovoked wars and hypocrites.
US accuses Syria of creating humanitarian ... JPost - Middle East
I agree. Blocking humanitarian assistance is a war crime and possibly a crime against humanity:
U.N. Chief Says Israel Is Blocking Most Gaza Aid
U.N. Chief Says Israel Is Blocking Most Gaza Aid - NYTimes.com
Shooting unarmed protesters should be a war crime. FYI: Not all Syrians who are against the Syrian government are unarmed:
Syria reports 120 security forces killed by 'gangs' in northern town - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
Currently the Syrian death toll is comparable the Gaza death toll during Israel's Operation Cast Lead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#Casualties
and far less than US estimates regarding the Iraq war:
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BTW, I am on the side of the Syrian people and support their democratic aspirations. I am against all war crimes and crimes against humanity, starting unprovoked wars and hypocrites.
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Just couldn't leave Israel out of it, could you?????
Let me explain something to you...........since 1982, in the past 30 years, Syria has murdered more innocent Syrians than Israel has killed Syrian soldiers since 1948.
Let me say that again, in a less convoluted way. In the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973 and in numerous border clashes and air combat, as well as in the 1982 invasion of Syrian-controlled Lebanon..........Israel killed about one THIRD of the Syrians that the Assad family has murdered in the last 30 years. And Israel killed combatants in a fight for her existence, not unarmed civilians.
Syria has murdered several times more innocents in the past two months than Israel killed in Operation Cast Lead. (not counting militants), considering that well over one half of the Gazan dead were militants.
Isn't rambling on about Israel in a thread supposedly addressing the slaughter of innocents in Syria a red herring?
We should not be Lybia to start with. If we want to see Gaddaffi killed, we could drop one bomb and kill him and then go back home!!
This is a muslim country, let Muslims deal with it. As it is, things are not going well in Libya.
I hope we don't get involved with Syria.
According to al Jazeera, hundred of thousands of people are protesting against the government as the Syria government uses heavy artillery in urban areas. Dozens of police and soldiers have allegedly joined the protests. Reports of dozens of people killed.
video of the protests and shelling here:
Syria holds massive rallies to 'support Homs' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
video of the protests and shelling here:
Syria holds massive rallies to 'support Homs' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Update:
Syria has condemned a new Arab League initiative that calls on President Bashar al-Assad to cede power by holding early elections and forming a "national unity government".
Syrian state television, quoting an unnamed official source, said early on Monday morning that the resolution, passed on Sunday night, contradicted the will of the Syrian people and was a violation of its national sovereignty.
The source said the resolution was part of a conspiracy against the Syrian people.
The Arab League called on Assad to delegate power to his vice president and for elections to be held under a "national unity government," the latest steps in a slow-moving diplomatic effort to end 10 months of bloody uprising.
The bloc's members agreed to a political initiative that would call for a unity government and early elections to end the crisis, the Qatari prime minister said after a meeting of the 22-member body in Cairo.
The new plan envisioned the "peaceful departure of the Syrian regime" and resembled the arrangement in Yemen, where Gulf nations convinced President Ali Abdullah Saleh to delegate power and leave the country, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani, the Qatari prime minister, said.
Al Thani said the league would ask the United Nations Security Council to support its plan for transition.
"After the establishment of the government of national unity, there has to be a referendum and preparation for new elections. The Arab League's secretary-general is to send a new special envoy to Syria, and will call on the international community to support this national unity government to fulfill its functions," he said.
He also reiterated the Arab League's demands that the violence in Syria be brought to an end, that political detainees be released, that the Syrian military pull out of cities and that citizens be allowed to demonstrate peacefully.
The league has called on the opposition and government to begin a new round of dialogue "within two weeks".
'Arab solution'
Al-Thani said that while the league was taking its case to the Security Council, it was not in favour of an international military intervention.
"We are looking into an Arab solution for this. We are not looking for a military intervention. The decision was by consensus, except Algeria which had some reservations. Lebanon has abstained, and we appreciate their situation there and we thank them for their co-operation," he said.
He also announced that the Arab League's observer mission in Syria would be extended, and that the observers would be given additional equipment after the head of the monitoring mission, General Mohammed Ahmed Mustafa al-Dabi of Sudan, said he wanted his mandate to be stengthened.
Gaza activist's killing was murder - Archive - Al Jazeera English
Syria has condemned a new Arab League initiative that calls on President Bashar al-Assad to cede power by holding early elections and forming a "national unity government".
Syrian state television, quoting an unnamed official source, said early on Monday morning that the resolution, passed on Sunday night, contradicted the will of the Syrian people and was a violation of its national sovereignty.
The source said the resolution was part of a conspiracy against the Syrian people.
The Arab League called on Assad to delegate power to his vice president and for elections to be held under a "national unity government," the latest steps in a slow-moving diplomatic effort to end 10 months of bloody uprising.
The bloc's members agreed to a political initiative that would call for a unity government and early elections to end the crisis, the Qatari prime minister said after a meeting of the 22-member body in Cairo.
The new plan envisioned the "peaceful departure of the Syrian regime" and resembled the arrangement in Yemen, where Gulf nations convinced President Ali Abdullah Saleh to delegate power and leave the country, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani, the Qatari prime minister, said.
Al Thani said the league would ask the United Nations Security Council to support its plan for transition.
"After the establishment of the government of national unity, there has to be a referendum and preparation for new elections. The Arab League's secretary-general is to send a new special envoy to Syria, and will call on the international community to support this national unity government to fulfill its functions," he said.
He also reiterated the Arab League's demands that the violence in Syria be brought to an end, that political detainees be released, that the Syrian military pull out of cities and that citizens be allowed to demonstrate peacefully.
The league has called on the opposition and government to begin a new round of dialogue "within two weeks".
'Arab solution'
Al-Thani said that while the league was taking its case to the Security Council, it was not in favour of an international military intervention.
"We are looking into an Arab solution for this. We are not looking for a military intervention. The decision was by consensus, except Algeria which had some reservations. Lebanon has abstained, and we appreciate their situation there and we thank them for their co-operation," he said.
He also announced that the Arab League's observer mission in Syria would be extended, and that the observers would be given additional equipment after the head of the monitoring mission, General Mohammed Ahmed Mustafa al-Dabi of Sudan, said he wanted his mandate to be stengthened.
Gaza activist's killing was murder - Archive - Al Jazeera English
Update:
Syrian insurgents blew up another gas line this morning. Parts of Damascus have become insurgent strongholds. The dictatorship has responded with tanks and artillery. Syrian soldiers continue to defect to the insurgency.
At some point this conflict will cross the threshold for it to be described as a civil war. I'd say the insurgents have reached that threshold.
The Assad regime has a peaceful way to prevent all out civil war, but that means transitioning power to a civilian government as per the Arab plan, which is really a "middle of the road" compromise. This plan would allow the peaceful transfer of power to a civilian government, while allowing the Assad regime and their supporters to avoid further bloodshed including their own. I expect that the UNSC will pass a formal resolution backing the Arab compromise, with Russia abstaining.
Regarding the government's actions, I consider shelling densely populated residential neighborhoods with high explosives to be a war crime. Does anyone else believe that shelling densely populated urban areas with artillery and tanks is a war crime?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-damascus-suburbs-to-oust-rebel-fighters.html
http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/01/30/syria-clashes-kill-13-civilians-6-troops-activists/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...non-violence-scores-a-victory/article2277601/
Syrian insurgents blew up another gas line this morning. Parts of Damascus have become insurgent strongholds. The dictatorship has responded with tanks and artillery. Syrian soldiers continue to defect to the insurgency.
At some point this conflict will cross the threshold for it to be described as a civil war. I'd say the insurgents have reached that threshold.
The Assad regime has a peaceful way to prevent all out civil war, but that means transitioning power to a civilian government as per the Arab plan, which is really a "middle of the road" compromise. This plan would allow the peaceful transfer of power to a civilian government, while allowing the Assad regime and their supporters to avoid further bloodshed including their own. I expect that the UNSC will pass a formal resolution backing the Arab compromise, with Russia abstaining.
Regarding the government's actions, I consider shelling densely populated residential neighborhoods with high explosives to be a war crime. Does anyone else believe that shelling densely populated urban areas with artillery and tanks is a war crime?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-damascus-suburbs-to-oust-rebel-fighters.html
http://www.yalibnan.com/2012/01/30/syria-clashes-kill-13-civilians-6-troops-activists/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...non-violence-scores-a-victory/article2277601/
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Is it correct to correctly say that all the 'revolts' starting in Egypt and Tunisia, ect were actually against dictators that the 'West' approved of?
Saddam was there because the West approved of him until he overstepped the direction his military took(out-lived his usefulness) The same was true in Libya and attempts were made in Egypt to keep the same powers in charge with a change of one person at the top. Egypt is in a stale-mate as far as reform goes and the fate of the people of Libya will take time to see if their standard of living goes up or down now that oil sales are set to increase.
Hey you're supporting a western (israeli) sponsered armed insurection in a soverign nation because you believe western propaganda is actually unbiased journalism. You are off my christmas list dumbo.
That's funny.
I also believe foreign intel services (Israel, US, western Europe...) and our MSM are busy manipulating events in Syria and our perceptions as best they can without exposing themselves, or giving Iran a reason to intervene as per their mutual defense pact with Syria.
However I am not anti-Israeli or anti-Jew. Despite what Israeli apologists here on this forum write about me... I'm pro-people, which makes me anti-war criminal and anti-dictator. Assad is a dictator. I don't support Assad. Let the Syrian people choose their leader by free and fair elections.
I am aware that a Syrian civil war works in favor of the US and Israel in the short term. But the Syrian people are not pro-US or pro-Israel. In the long term a democratically elected Syrian government will continue to oppose Israel's violent, unjust and cruel efforts to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. I oppose Syria's revolution resulting in another cruel brutal dictatorship, like Egypt.
I believe in gradual change and peaceful transition. I don't think a civil war is in the best interests of the Syrian people. A general strike shutting down the country until Assad embraces the Arab plan for a peaceful transition of power would be the best solution, not violent revolution.
I'd have given CB for being consistent and having the balls to express his honest opinion in support of killing innocent civilians a thumbs up, if it wasn't for his final snide remark.
I agree with CB in that there is no difference between one group of war criminals leveling a neighborhood because they want to kill a few people of interest and another group of war criminals doing the same thing for the same reason. Unlike CB, I am against senseless violence, death and destruction in densely populated urban areas, not just because I think its immoral, unethical, cruel and criminal, but also because these tactics are short sighted and counter productive. Assad wants to cling to power and he doesn't care how many people he has to kill (innocent or otherwise) to do it. Libya's former dictator Gaddafi thought the same way and look where he ended up. Very likely the Assad regime's cruelty will increase the support for and size of the insurgency.
Time is running out for the dictator.
As far as Canada is concerned we should not encourage violence. Very likely the Assad regime's adversaries including Canada are arming the insurgents. Certainly we (Syria's adversaries) provide them with intel and expensive telecommunication equipment. We are also very likely active in cyberspace creating perceptions and possibly acts of sabotage. I only support Canada playing a peacekeeper/humanitarian role in conflicts like this. The Syrian people may be able to violently topple their government, but a general strike would accomplish the same thing with far fewer deaths.
I agree with CB in that there is no difference between one group of war criminals leveling a neighborhood because they want to kill a few people of interest and another group of war criminals doing the same thing for the same reason. Unlike CB, I am against senseless violence, death and destruction in densely populated urban areas, not just because I think its immoral, unethical, cruel and criminal, but also because these tactics are short sighted and counter productive. Assad wants to cling to power and he doesn't care how many people he has to kill (innocent or otherwise) to do it. Libya's former dictator Gaddafi thought the same way and look where he ended up. Very likely the Assad regime's cruelty will increase the support for and size of the insurgency.
Time is running out for the dictator.
As far as Canada is concerned we should not encourage violence. Very likely the Assad regime's adversaries including Canada are arming the insurgents. Certainly we (Syria's adversaries) provide them with intel and expensive telecommunication equipment. We are also very likely active in cyberspace creating perceptions and possibly acts of sabotage. I only support Canada playing a peacekeeper/humanitarian role in conflicts like this. The Syrian people may be able to violently topple their government, but a general strike would accomplish the same thing with far fewer deaths.
Fifty thousand Lybians were murdered by western Israeli interests, the death toll in Syria could be very much higher in the pending armed transition. There is no Arab plan for peaceful transition what is on the table is directly from the same western Israeli machine that wrote every other peaceful transition proposal. You always insist on dialogue with Israel when there exists stacks of evidence to conclude that no dialogue is possible with those fanatical elements bent on expansion of their super race and domination of the unzionist world. Assad is the least of the Syrian peoples problems. There is no compromise with the liars and murderers of the diseased state Israel. I am sorry for the good people of Israel, maybe they should hire a bus and leave. Mr Harper has proved beyond doubt that Canada has a zionist government that completely agrees and supports Israeli expansion and illegal wars no matter what the human cost. We have no honour left, we have dropped the torch. We are pawns in our own nation thanks to the zionist criminals running rampant through our streets and univercitys.
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I said I supported killing women and children?
Maybe you can show me where. Although I doubt you will, let alone can.
And that remark wasn't snide, it was mocking. I like mocking you Jew haters.
Armed combatants, are legitimate targets, kids on swings aren't. Israel attempts to target armed combatants, or positions where armed combatants have attacked Israel from, your buddies target kids on swings.
That's why I disagree with Israel's indiscriminate retaliatory strikes against Hamas rocket attacks. You just can't justify that kind of retaliation, without an identifiable target.
Unlike you, who justifies terrorist acts. As exampled here, when you equate IDF action in a populated area (where Hamas likes to hide), that oft results in civilian casualties. To the terrorism committed by Hamas and company, when they target Israeli civilians, explicitly.
It doesn't matter how hard you try and deflect it, hide it or white wash it, you hate Jews, and are willing to say anything to continuously demonize them.
How many more times will you have to tell us how non violent and pacifistic you are, before you actually believe it yourself?
Breaking news! : For the first time in history Nato gets sued.! - 12160
The Hague is the place where the court is that is to hear cases that the UN 'wrote and authorized'. If those courts can insist Lebannon help fund an investigation into an assassignation into one man then the same court should be all 'gung ho' for investigating an event that saw 50,000 'civilians' killed especially when the agenda for regime change is not over for NATO.
Would NATO use the fact of the Arab League getting there hardware eliminated in establishing the usual 'no-fly zone' that comes with all 'ground-level protests'. Today NATO openly supports violence against the Syrian Government as a valid means of protest.
At home I doubt the US Government would welcome 'false Christians' inside the country advocating the use of tactics that are against the laws they say they try and follow. Now would the Gov appreciate the Vatican bringing in extra clergy to 'train and advise' on Middle Age tactics that 'got the job done' even if it was somewhat messy.
Shouldn't the Arab forces be able to 'hire NATO' until the military forces of Syria are as disarmed as Gaza and Iraq was before Gulf 2? Would the WEST be able to withstand 20,000 dead without the home citizens blowing an internal gasket and the revolt against the banks overflows and starts to include the political leaders and perhaps the whole system is seen as 'part of the problem'
Granted when the OWS crowds reach the same size (250,000+) as the Syrian ones (that are held as a show by the people that they would rather have a civil war than accept NATO's help, a war that is being funded by 'person's loyal to doing what NATO wants rather than what their 'fellow citizens' want.
The track record of Iraq, Afghanistan as the last two places NATO helped should be used as the model that Libya and Syria and Iran would be like in (20 years as that is when Gulf 1 started). I'm pretty sure all the member Nations of the UN would vote for NATO not being the best to bring about change that helps all citizens, all it does is change one 'elite class' for another 'elite class' that is more ruthless to the lower class than the last one was. (at least Saddam admitted he was a dictator)
Perhaps NATO is the solution for any uprising on the Canadian Reservations and a 'solution' for those foolish enough to apply for their pension. Preceded by a complete physical and some 'safe injections' that only NATO Nurses have.