SWINE FLU vs. OTHER STRAINS

JLM

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I think you are being naïve, lindyloo. I don’t know about nurses, but do you really think that most doctors have not obtained H1N1 for their spouses?

Or do you think conversations similar to following do not take place?

“Hey doc, you are giving H1N1 to my two kids tomorrow. How about slipping my wife one?”

“No, she does not come under any of the priority groups.”

“Well, do you remember you had that plumbing emergency, your bathroom got flooded and I rushed over at night last month?” (or ‘do you remember you had to go to hospital emergency at night last winter, and I came with my snow plough and cleared up your driveway?”)

“Well, let me see what I can do.”

These things go on all the time.

I think the theme of your post here just underscores about 99% of the problems in politics today- get the snout in the trough ahead of everyone else.
 

VanIsle

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I think if I was in S.J.'s precarious position and got the shot I wouldn't be telling the whole wide world about it.
Now you've got it. He should have kept his little secret to himself. I'm sure his wife would have expected him to. Should she have snuck him in to get a shot ahead of others that really needed it - No. Would others have done the same - highly likely. The biggest thing is - accept your good fortune and don't be yapping about it to anyone that doesn't need to know.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Now you've got it. He should have kept his little secret to himself. I'm sure his wife would have expected him to. Should she have snuck him in to get a shot ahead of others that really needed it - No. Would others have done the same - highly likely. The biggest thing is - accept your good fortune and don't be yapping about it to anyone that doesn't need to know.


I have no problem talking about it on the internet, VanIsle. And if people think this sort of thing doesn’t go on, they are naïve indeed. Even my son offered to get me the H1N1. But he lives two hours drive away from us; I didn’t want to go that far.

I don’t see anything sinister, any corruption in it. People do favors to each other all the time. If I had accepted my son’s offer, he probably would have cashed in a couple of favors others owe him and got me a shot. Again, we did him a favor, we are paying for his medical education (he will graduate from medical school in June debt free), so he probably thought he could return the favor in a small way.

And it is a fact of life; I don’t see anything wrong in talking about it.
 
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TenPenny

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I think you are being naïve, lindyloo. I don’t know about nurses, but do you really think that most doctors have not obtained H1N1 for their spouses?

Well, Mr Self Righteous, of the 6 doctors that live on my street, NONE have gotten the vaccine for their spouses.

SOME people have ethics, you know.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Well, Mr Self Righteous, of the 6 doctors that live on my street, NONE have gotten the vaccine for their spouses.

SOME people have ethics, you know.


Even if they have, they are not going to tell you, TenPenny. I certainly wouldn’t tell it to the non medical people I know. It is one thing to get this kind of reaction on the internet, but you don’t want to alienate the people you know (who cares what the bloggers think; it is much more interesting to get a reaction out of bloggers).

So it is very likely that at least some of them have got the vaccine for their spouses, but they wouldn’t tell you about it.

And I know quite a few doctors who got vaccines for their spouses. But again, I doubt they would tell their nonmedical acquaintances. They had no problem telling my wife, though.
 

JLM

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Even if they have, they are not going to tell you, TenPenny. I certainly wouldn’t tell it to the non medical people I know. It is one thing to get this kind of reaction on the internet, but you don’t want to alienate the people you know (who cares what the bloggers think; it is much more interesting to get a reaction out of bloggers).

So it is very likely that at least some of them have got the vaccine for their spouses, but they wouldn’t tell you about it.

And I know quite a few doctors who got vaccines for their spouses. But again, I doubt they would tell their nonmedical acquaintances. They had no problem telling my wife, though.

I have one question S.J. - Isn't a man's integrity more important than personal gain? In my own particular case I feel it is.
 

JLM

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Now you've got it. He should have kept his little secret to himself. I'm sure his wife would have expected him to. Should she have snuck him in to get a shot ahead of others that really needed it - No. Would others have done the same - highly likely. The biggest thing is - accept your good fortune and don't be yapping about it to anyone that doesn't need to know.

Hey VanIsle- That's how a lot of crooks get caught............their mouths. :lol::lol:
 

JLM

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I have no problem talking about it on the internet, VanIsle. And if people think this sort of thing doesn’t go on, they are naïve indeed. Even my son offered to get me the H1N1. But he lives two hours drive away from us; I didn’t want to go that far.

I don’t see anything sinister, any corruption in it. People do favors to each other all the time. If I had accepted my son’s offer, he probably would have cashed in a couple of favors others owe him and got me a shot. Again, we did him a favor, we are paying for his medical education (he will graduate from medical school in June debt free), so he probably thought he could return the favor in a small way.

And it is a fact of life; I don’t see anything wrong in talking about it.

BAck about 1958 there was a man in the B.C. Gov't. (Minister of Lands and Forests) who did exactly the sort of thing you are suggesting is alright, doing favours for his friends - well not only did he do favour for his friends, he also did five years in the slammer. I know morals and ethics are more relaxed today, but that may be very temporary.
 

JLM

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"I don’t see anything sinister, any corruption in it.", Now I know what your problem is - you need an eye test.
 

TenPenny

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Even if they have, they are not going to tell you, TenPenny. I certainly wouldn’t tell it to the non medical people I know.

SJP, please stick to subjects you know something about.

Why do you think you are more of a medical person than I am? Is that your superiority complex kicking in again?
 

Ron in Regina

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Source: Health official fired over Flames' H1N1 shots

Health official fired over Flames' H1N1 shots

EDMONTON -- Alberta's provincial health authority has fired the most senior staff
member involved in releasing H1N1 vaccine to Calgary Flames players and their
family members.

"Like most Albertans, I am deeply offended that this circumstance has occurred,"
said a statement signed by Ken Hughes, board chairman of Alberta Health Services,
and Stephen Duckett, CEO and president.

"AHS board and management have a fundamental commitment to serve all
Albertans according to their needs, in medical priority. This circumstance was a
clear departure from that principle. We set the expectation that this should not
have happened and should not happen again."

The name of the senior staff member was not released.

The investigation is continuing to determine exactly how the Flames managed to
jump the queue and get their H1N1 vaccinations before Albertans designated
priority cases because of their risk of becoming dangerously ill.

Further disciplinary action may still come.

"The special treatment for the Flames and their families is unacceptable to us and
contrary to all of our existing protocols and processes," said Duckett in the
statement. "I apologize for this breach of our duty to Albertans."

Dr. Gerry Predy, senior medical officer of health for Alberta Health Services, said
he believes the Flames' faux pas was the only such incident of queue-jumping in
Alberta.

"We're reasonably certain (the incident was isolated), but nothing is 100 per cent,"
Predy said.

Alberta Health Services is the only body in Alberta that receives vaccine doses from
the provincial government. The provincial health authority then dispenses it to
clinics and hospitals across Alberta.

"It's a deplorable situation," said Dr. Andre Corriveau, Alberta's chief medical officer
of health.

On Wednesday, Predy and Corriveau reiterated the province's new plan to reopen
vaccination clinics Thursday for kids between six months and five years old.

Unadjuvanted shots - doses without a specific additive - will be available for
pregnant women beginning Friday, but if pregnant mothers arrive at a clinic
Thursday and want the regular shot with the additive, it will be made available.
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JLM

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Source: Health official fired over Flames' H1N1 shots

Health official fired over Flames' H1N1 shots

EDMONTON -- Alberta's provincial health authority has fired the most senior staff
member involved in releasing H1N1 vaccine to Calgary Flames players and their
family members.

"Like most Albertans, I am deeply offended that this circumstance has occurred,"
said a statement signed by Ken Hughes, board chairman of Alberta Health Services,
and Stephen Duckett, CEO and president.

"AHS board and management have a fundamental commitment to serve all
Albertans according to their needs, in medical priority. This circumstance was a
clear departure from that principle. We set the expectation that this should not
have happened and should not happen again."

The name of the senior staff member was not released.

The investigation is continuing to determine exactly how the Flames managed to
jump the queue and get their H1N1 vaccinations before Albertans designated
priority cases because of their risk of becoming dangerously ill.

Further disciplinary action may still come.

"The special treatment for the Flames and their families is unacceptable to us and
contrary to all of our existing protocols and processes," said Duckett in the
statement. "I apologize for this breach of our duty to Albertans."

Dr. Gerry Predy, senior medical officer of health for Alberta Health Services, said
he believes the Flames' faux pas was the only such incident of queue-jumping in
Alberta.

"We're reasonably certain (the incident was isolated), but nothing is 100 per cent,"
Predy said.

Alberta Health Services is the only body in Alberta that receives vaccine doses from
the provincial government. The provincial health authority then dispenses it to
clinics and hospitals across Alberta.

"It's a deplorable situation," said Dr. Andre Corriveau, Alberta's chief medical officer
of health.

On Wednesday, Predy and Corriveau reiterated the province's new plan to reopen
vaccination clinics Thursday for kids between six months and five years old.

Unadjuvanted shots - doses without a specific additive - will be available for
pregnant women beginning Friday, but if pregnant mothers arrive at a clinic
Thursday and want the regular shot with the additive, it will be made available.
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Great news- maybe a better way to go would have been a $25,000 fine, which could be syphoned back into the health care system.
 

karrie

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A wonderful precedent. I for one wish they'd look for and fire more doctors doing **** like this.
 

AnnaG

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I agree. Those shots could have been given to people that more urgently needed them. That is against the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.
 

VanIsle

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A wonderful precedent. I for one wish they'd look for and fire more doctors doing **** like this.
I don't disagree with you but doctors pretty much know that right now we need their services so bad that we'll put up with a lot more than we ever did before. I'm glad they have fired the senior person responsible for this fiasco though.