Colpy, I can tell you have never met Svend in person. Anyone who has actually had a conversation with him knows that he is very capable and rational. One of the reasons why he was re-elected so many times is that he was very accessible, he listened to the input of his constituents and was our advocate, even when he didn't agree. This is what MPs are supposed to do, and very few do. He is also not the type to vote a certain way just because the party says so. He is a man of conscience, and he always understood his responsibility to the people that elected him.You are judging him on some of the controversial issues he has championed (some of which I strongly disagreed with) and his mental health. I see the bigger picture. He has done so much good for the people in this riding, and he would be re-elected if he ran again here. Give him a break. I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation. Mental illness can strike any one of us. I think a little compassion and understanding is in order. The voters in that riding will decide. It doesn't really matter what people outside the riding think. That is how it works. :wink:
Svend making a comeback?
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No argument on one point....you should vote for whomever you believe best represents you.
I only know Svend from a distance....thank God!
I only know Svend from a distance....thank God!
Robinson acclaimed for NDP in Vancouver riding
A teaser:
Svend Robinson's return to politics became official on Sunday night when the disgraced former MP was acclaimed as the NDP candidate in Vancouver Centre.
He's running against incumbent Liberal MP Hedy Fry.
Canada's first openly gay MP, Robinson had been representing Burnaby-Douglas for 25 years when he resigned last year after admitting he stole an expensive ring from an auction house. [/teaser]
Congragulations to Svend. I am hopeful he will make a successful comeback. At least someone with experience and being a viable alternative to Hedy Fry is running.
I have a feeling he will take this riding.
A teaser:
Svend Robinson's return to politics became official on Sunday night when the disgraced former MP was acclaimed as the NDP candidate in Vancouver Centre.
He's running against incumbent Liberal MP Hedy Fry.
Canada's first openly gay MP, Robinson had been representing Burnaby-Douglas for 25 years when he resigned last year after admitting he stole an expensive ring from an auction house. [/teaser]
Congragulations to Svend. I am hopeful he will make a successful comeback. At least someone with experience and being a viable alternative to Hedy Fry is running.
I have a feeling he will take this riding.
no1important said:
Svend Robinson is a joke, and an embarassment.
"He suffers from a previously undiscovered Bi-polar disorder", which, in west coast, latte-drinking, psuedo intellectual leftie patois means "He is a f##king thief, but he's one of ours".
It is like this. Either Robinson is a common thief, in which case he is not fit to sit as a MP.
OR
Robinson has a mental disorder, in which case he is not fit to sit as an MP.
Take your pick.
And spare me the BS about how biased I am against those with mental disorders. I've known a couple of guys........and these things are incurable and practically uncontrolable.....we simply don't know enough.
Now that we have dispensed with Svend, let's talk about Hedy......she may even be worse.
RE: Svend making a comeba
There are many people undiagnosed with depression or similar ailments.
What he did was wrong, but he admitted what he did. So don't you believe he deserves a second chance? I do, actually I am all for giving people second chances. People screw up and make mistakes, so does that mean we crucify them forever, for one mistake or "bad judgement"? The PQ elected someone who admitted having a cocaine problem, they gave him a second chance.
What kind of world would this be, if we crucified people for years after one mistake? Everyone deserves a second or 3rd chance.
Svend was an MP since 1979 when he was 27. He served for 25 years. He has lots of expeirence and qualifications to be an mp.
He was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service, but will not have a criminal record, a sentence the Crown described as "appropriate".
BTW- What Svend did was wrong, he admitted it but at least it was not as bad as what some of the federal Liberals have done.
BTW2- Yes we love our Lattes and coffee out here on the west coast.
There are many people undiagnosed with depression or similar ailments.
What he did was wrong, but he admitted what he did. So don't you believe he deserves a second chance? I do, actually I am all for giving people second chances. People screw up and make mistakes, so does that mean we crucify them forever, for one mistake or "bad judgement"? The PQ elected someone who admitted having a cocaine problem, they gave him a second chance.
What kind of world would this be, if we crucified people for years after one mistake? Everyone deserves a second or 3rd chance.
Svend was an MP since 1979 when he was 27. He served for 25 years. He has lots of expeirence and qualifications to be an mp.
He was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service, but will not have a criminal record, a sentence the Crown described as "appropriate".
BTW- What Svend did was wrong, he admitted it but at least it was not as bad as what some of the federal Liberals have done.
BTW2- Yes we love our Lattes and coffee out here on the west coast.
I would have a lot more sympathy for the guy if he stood in front of the cameras (dry-eyed) and said...."hey, it was a momentary lapse, we've all succumbed to temptation impulsively, I'm very sorry, please forgive me."
I would.
That's not what he did.
He has blamed it on everything except what it was.....a serious flaw in character, perhaps only momentarily indulged, which would be forgiveable. We all have them.
It has not even been acknowledged as such. Instead it was "Bipolar disorder". That is unforgiveable.
As I said above, I have an old friend that is bipolar.
It is not like depression, or other minor disorders. It is serious, and leaves you with delusions, hallucinations, and voices in your head.
Which can only be treated, not cured.
Sorry, he's not qualified to be an MP anymore.
I would.
That's not what he did.
He has blamed it on everything except what it was.....a serious flaw in character, perhaps only momentarily indulged, which would be forgiveable. We all have them.
It has not even been acknowledged as such. Instead it was "Bipolar disorder". That is unforgiveable.
As I said above, I have an old friend that is bipolar.
It is not like depression, or other minor disorders. It is serious, and leaves you with delusions, hallucinations, and voices in your head.
Which can only be treated, not cured.
Sorry, he's not qualified to be an MP anymore.
RE: Svend making a comeba
Bipolar aka manic depressive people can with treatment lead normal lives.
Bipolar Disorder
A teaser:
With treatment, many people are able to lead normal lives. Some (about 1 in 10) may never have another manic episode.
Others battle mood swings for the rest of their lives. With proper medication and regular psychotherapy, however, the disease can be well controlled with few flare-ups. [/teaser]
If he has it and is treated he is more than capable of leading and functioning a normal life. Yes he can only be treated and not cured, so what?
There are other disabled mp's in Ottawa. Bipolar is not a social stigma like it once was, only to the ignorant.
Bipolar disorder sufferers can lead normal lives
A teaser:
Bipolar disorder sufferers can and often lead normal and productive lives, but it is crucial they take their prescribed medication on a daily basis, and come to terms with the fact this medication will probably be necessary for the remainder of their lives… at least, until further advances in the field of medicine are made, this is the way things are at this moment in time.[/teaser]
Whether Svend has bipolar or not he is still competent to be an mp. He fessed up to what he did. He was going through a rough time when he did what he did, it's no excuse but what else do you want him to do? No sense crucifying him anymore. He suffered enough.
Vancouver Centre Riding Profile
Bipolar aka manic depressive people can with treatment lead normal lives.
Bipolar Disorder
A teaser:
With treatment, many people are able to lead normal lives. Some (about 1 in 10) may never have another manic episode.
Others battle mood swings for the rest of their lives. With proper medication and regular psychotherapy, however, the disease can be well controlled with few flare-ups. [/teaser]
If he has it and is treated he is more than capable of leading and functioning a normal life. Yes he can only be treated and not cured, so what?
There are other disabled mp's in Ottawa. Bipolar is not a social stigma like it once was, only to the ignorant.
Bipolar disorder sufferers can lead normal lives
A teaser:
Bipolar disorder sufferers can and often lead normal and productive lives, but it is crucial they take their prescribed medication on a daily basis, and come to terms with the fact this medication will probably be necessary for the remainder of their lives… at least, until further advances in the field of medicine are made, this is the way things are at this moment in time.[/teaser]
Whether Svend has bipolar or not he is still competent to be an mp. He fessed up to what he did. He was going through a rough time when he did what he did, it's no excuse but what else do you want him to do? No sense crucifying him anymore. He suffered enough.
Vancouver Centre Riding Profile
Hi! no1important
I know Svend sort of personally. I was very disheartened when first hearing of his thievery.
I too believe that he should not be destroyed for committing the crime, but he should never be allowed to be an MP again. There are many other ways that he can serve his community or country.
The "gift" that the judge gave him was quite good. The fact that he did not receive a criminal record is a real bonus for him. It is the criminal record that destroys a person and not the sentence or jail time. He did not lose his passport privileges and is still bondable through financial insurance for future employment positions.
In 1965, I got a criminal record for stealing a peanut butter and jam sandwitch and six months probation. (I entered a parked CPR railway employee boarding car and began to eat, and the CPR police arrested me for tresspassing and theft.) The criminal record destroyed me and haunted me my entire life.
In 1969, I stole a barbacued chicken from a grocery store and got 12 months in Guelph reformatory. I left that jail with a sense of embitterment that simmered within my belief system for an entire lifetime.
Calm
I know Svend sort of personally. I was very disheartened when first hearing of his thievery.
I too believe that he should not be destroyed for committing the crime, but he should never be allowed to be an MP again. There are many other ways that he can serve his community or country.
The "gift" that the judge gave him was quite good. The fact that he did not receive a criminal record is a real bonus for him. It is the criminal record that destroys a person and not the sentence or jail time. He did not lose his passport privileges and is still bondable through financial insurance for future employment positions.
In 1965, I got a criminal record for stealing a peanut butter and jam sandwitch and six months probation. (I entered a parked CPR railway employee boarding car and began to eat, and the CPR police arrested me for tresspassing and theft.) The criminal record destroyed me and haunted me my entire life.
In 1969, I stole a barbacued chicken from a grocery store and got 12 months in Guelph reformatory. I left that jail with a sense of embitterment that simmered within my belief system for an entire lifetime.
Calm
Re: RE: Svend making a comeba
Oh, so there is only a 90% chance he will be representing his constituents while suffering fron hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia.
Well, one thing about a democracy.....the majority get the representation they deserve.
He fessed up after he realized he had been caught. Then he blamed it on everything else excepting his own greed.
"Crucifying " him? Oh, please spare me. Tell you what, I'll steal a few tens of thousands of dollars from my employer, and claim I was "depressed" in court after they catch me. And I'll see you in about two years.
The SOB hasn't even been disbarred.
He has NOT been punished in any way.
And personally, I don't think he has any mental problems outside of a hugely inflated ego, which lends itself to a sense of entitlement, resulting in pocketed rings.
Oh, so there is only a 90% chance he will be representing his constituents while suffering fron hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia.
Well, one thing about a democracy.....the majority get the representation they deserve.
He fessed up after he realized he had been caught. Then he blamed it on everything else excepting his own greed.
"Crucifying " him? Oh, please spare me. Tell you what, I'll steal a few tens of thousands of dollars from my employer, and claim I was "depressed" in court after they catch me. And I'll see you in about two years.
The SOB hasn't even been disbarred.
He has NOT been punished in any way.
And personally, I don't think he has any mental problems outside of a hugely inflated ego, which lends itself to a sense of entitlement, resulting in pocketed rings.
RE: Svend making a comeba
Ah, character assassination based on ignoring the known facts. The Conservative smear campaign targets another victim. Conservative poll numbers drop as people once again become disgusted with their antics.
Ah, character assassination based on ignoring the known facts. The Conservative smear campaign targets another victim. Conservative poll numbers drop as people once again become disgusted with their antics.
Why did you not get a pardon?
I sympathize. I was a bit of a bad guy in my youth, got arrested twice for fairly serious offenses, but was a minor once and "not guilty" the second time. (notice I didn't say "innocent")
Had I been convicted of the second offense, (at the age of 17, then the age of responsibility was 16) I'd have gone to jail. I know. Some of the boys did go to jail.
Sven is how old? And stole how much?
What complete and utter nonsense...
Beethoven, van gogh, keats, wintson churchill, hans christian anderson, buzz aldrin, mozart. All of these people suffered from some form of mental illness, I suppose if left up to you, none of us would have have benefited from their genius....mmmmmm...wonder how many well known politicians have a bipolar disorder :roll: :roll:
Heya calm, I hope dat peanut butter was not skippy :?
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Beethoven, van gogh, keats, wintson churchill, hans christian anderson, buzz aldrin, mozart. All of these people suffered from some form of mental illness, I suppose if left up to you, none of us would have have benefited from their genius....mmmmmm...wonder how many well known politicians have a bipolar disorder :roll: :roll:
Heya calm, I hope dat peanut butter was not skippy :?
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Of course juan, I am not including svend in the list I mentioned. What I am talking about is this remark by coldpy
"Oh, so there is only a 90% chance he will be representing his constituents while suffering fron hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia. "
Oh! and would you include church hill in that defination colypy??
"Oh, so there is only a 90% chance he will be representing his constituents while suffering fron hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia. "
Oh! and would you include church hill in that defination colypy??
peapod said:
The treatment of bi-polar disorder has advanced in the last few years and Svend wasn't hallucinating or delusional that anyone could see. I wasn't aware that Svend even had the condition but I have known people who suffered from what we used to call Manic Depression. One of these people lived a constant nightmare. I think today's treatment would have vastly improved her life. Only Svend knows if he is capable of doing the best job for his constituents. He slipped once. Will he slip again?
peapod said:
Churchill's "Black Dog" (his name for it) was depression, a serious enough disorder, but not one that leaves one with delusions and paranoia.
Also, Churchill was one of the greatest men to have lived in the twentieth century.
I hope to God you're not comparing him to Svend.... :?
Re: RE: Svend making a comeba
You keep doing this, Rev.
NOW HEAR THIS...
Colpy is not running for office.
Colpy is not representing the Conservative Party of Canada.
If Colpy was pretending to represent the CPC, Harper would be fully justified in sending hit men out to blast his ass. (I'm sure the Liberals could tell him where to find some)
The CPC is a mainstrean party, as evidenced in their 30+ percent support.
Colpy is so far from mainstream he would have to walk a week before he could get his ankles wet.
PLEASE stop citing my views as if they were CPC policy. Not even close.
Reverend Blair said:
You keep doing this, Rev.
NOW HEAR THIS...
Colpy is not running for office.
Colpy is not representing the Conservative Party of Canada.
If Colpy was pretending to represent the CPC, Harper would be fully justified in sending hit men out to blast his ass. (I'm sure the Liberals could tell him where to find some)
The CPC is a mainstrean party, as evidenced in their 30+ percent support.
Colpy is so far from mainstream he would have to walk a week before he could get his ankles wet.
PLEASE stop citing my views as if they were CPC policy. Not even close.