Currently police are taught that tazers are appropriate submission tools. They're told they're safe, and okay to use. Until such a time as it's proven (and it very well may be soon), that they are too lethal, the issue of their use is one that I blame the organization for, not the individual officer trying to do their job.
Suspect falls from Toronto balcony
- Thread starter gerryh
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Currently police are taught that tazers are appropriate submission tools. They're told they're safe, and okay to use. Until such a time as it's proven (and it very well may be soon), that they are too lethal, the issue of their use is one that I blame the organization for, not the individual officer trying to do their job.
If they had shot him in the knee cap there is no way he could have thrown himself over that railing and as an added bonus he would have difficulty evading police for the rest of his criminal career.
If they hadn't tazed, he wouldn't have fell - voluntarily or not.
It sucks, but that's why we pay these people with our hard earned tax dollars to do their job!
You don't know what he would have done in the five minutes following had it not gone this way. He could have jumped anyway.
It sucks, but that's why we pay these people with our hard earned tax dollars to do their job!
No, we pay them to uphold the law and apprehend criminals. This moron was the master of his own disaster.
An unprovoked suicide is always better than a provoked suicide.
It's a hard job - I'll give them that.
Provoked suicide would be. "Jump Jump Jump."
This guy made his own decision. I'm sorry I could feel sorry for the guy in the Vancouver airport, but this guys only shortcoming in my view is that he should have added and additional 100 to the 9 meters he fell.
Boohoo, walk it off.
Hey!! It was a tense stand off.
8O8Odoubly shocked!
Third floor..........that's like....................THIRD FLOOR...........Like the Alps or something!
Someone shoulda yelled "PULL!", and then shot the taser.
Wish I was living in the big smoke, just so's I could feel safer.
8O8Odoubly shocked!
Third floor..........that's like....................THIRD FLOOR...........Like the Alps or something!
Someone shoulda yelled "PULL!", and then shot the taser.
Wish I was living in the big smoke, just so's I could feel safer.
An estimated 9 metres according to the article. Third floor balcony, that puts it at roughly 25 feet from the railling to the ground doesn't it?
I think tazering should be as second last resort just before shooting with a gun. It should never be considered non-lethal force but force which can be lethal.
I do not fault the cops for use in this particular case. Only that they didn't use a big enough charge. Had they used a higher charge, they may have knocked him out completelty and not given him an opportunity to jump.
Tasers are preset - But I am only referring to a single use of the taser.
Now if he had have been drunk, the possibilities of serious injury drop.
I had always understood that tazers were being used as an alternative to lethal force. In other words, in a place where you WOULD use a gun, you use a tazer.
3. Deployment
3. 1. General
3. 1. 1. The CEW must only be used in accordance with CEW training, the principles of the Incident Management/Intervention Model (IM/IM) and when a subject is causing bodily harm, or the member believes on reasonable grounds, that the subject will imminently cause bodily harm as determined by the member’s assessment of the totality of the circumstances. See also ch. 17.1.
NOTES:
- In accordance with sec. 2., CC, bodily harm is defined as any hurt or injury to a person that interferes with the health or comfort of the person and that is more than merely transient or trifling in nature.
- Members’ actions must be reasonable and the force used must be necessary in the circumstances. Members must fully and accurately report and articulate their actions. Supervisors/managers will ensure all reporting requirements are complied with and appropriately evaluate all interventions to ensure compliance with RCMP directives.
3. 1. 3. Where tactically feasible, members will use de-escalation techniques and/or other crisis intervention techniques before using a CEW.
3. 1. 4. Where tactically feasible, members will issue a verbal warning so the subject is aware that a CEW is about to be deployed.
3. 1. 5. Multiple deployment or continuous cycling of the CEW may be hazardous to a subject. Unless situational factors dictate otherwise, members must not cycle the CEW for more than 5 seconds on a subject and will avoid multiple deployments.
3. 1. 6. Members should make every effort to take control of the subject as soon as possible following the deployment of a CEW, and if possible during the CEW deployment.
NOTE: The CEW is not intended as a restraint device.
3. 1. 7. Acutely agitated or delirious persons may be at a higher risk of death. Whenever possible, when responding to reports of an individual who is violent or in an acutely agitated or delirious state, request the assistance of emergency medical services. If possible, bring medical assistance to the scene.
3. 1. 8. For cold-weather limitations for model M26, see sec. 7.2.3.